2012-09-28T00:10:39 *** grom has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T00:12:03 hey amstan. I think back on July 18th requested for copy of my ants submission and never received it. Hoping it still possible to get a copy 2012-09-28T00:25:05 *** grom has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-09-28T00:39:01 *** grom has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T00:47:28 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T00:59:24 *** grom has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2012-09-28T01:34:15 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-09-28T02:15:05 *** pairofdice has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T02:47:42 *** coud4 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T02:48:00 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T03:23:45 *** abc1000 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T03:25:52 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T03:28:04 *** abc1000 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-09-28T03:31:53 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T03:43:50 *** Eibwen_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T03:45:26 *** Eibwen has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-09-28T03:48:37 *** Eibwen_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-09-28T03:50:18 *** amstan has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2012-09-28T03:53:17 *** Eibwen has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T03:58:12 *** Eibwen has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-09-28T03:58:33 *** Eibwen has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T04:14:26 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T04:14:31 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-09-28T04:14:33 *** thestinger1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T04:15:03 *** thestinger1 is now known as thestinger 2012-09-28T04:16:22 *** coeus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-09-28T04:26:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsTBXrrFuHc&feature=related 2012-09-28T04:56:41 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc2) 2012-09-28T04:57:17 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T05:03:35 i wrote an asteroids clone yesterday in haskell 2012-09-28T05:03:51 well, it is not totally finished, but sort of playeble 2012-09-28T05:03:54 able* 2012-09-28T05:15:23 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-09-28T06:36:40 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T06:40:46 *** Anilm3 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T06:48:51 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T08:37:45 *** iglo has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T08:42:13 *** skyj has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-09-28T08:47:31 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2012-09-28T08:52:23 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2012-09-28T08:52:37 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T09:06:29 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2012-09-28T09:09:01 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T09:15:06 *** skyj has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T09:31:08 *** skyj has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2012-09-28T09:33:30 *** skyj has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T09:51:35 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T10:20:04 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-28T10:50:33 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-09-28T10:57:18 *** iglo has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-28T11:06:24 thestinger: do you like space-shooter games? 2012-09-28T11:06:28 \o 2012-09-28T11:06:34 mcstar: no, not really 2012-09-28T11:06:35 o/ 2012-09-28T11:06:45 I pretty much only like grand strategy games atm 2012-09-28T11:06:46 too bad 2012-09-28T11:06:50 this one is awesome 2012-09-28T11:06:52 which? 2012-09-28T11:07:23 thestinger: https://github.com/liquid-phynix/asteroids 2012-09-28T11:07:47 you made it? :0 2012-09-28T11:08:06 what libs do I need to run it 2012-09-28T11:08:28 colours 2012-09-28T11:08:32 glfw-b 2012-09-28T11:08:41 drawingcombinators 2012-09-28T11:08:50 opengl obviously 2012-09-28T11:09:12 glfw-b doesnt depend on opengl 2012-09-28T11:09:22 i think thats it 2012-09-28T11:09:34 ill make it cabal installable in the near future 2012-09-28T11:10:35 it is a first and incomplete version, barely playable 2012-09-28T11:11:51 world :) 2012-09-28T11:12:25 graphics-drawingcombinators-1.4.3 depends on FTGL-1.333 which failed to 2012-09-28T11:12:28 install. 2012-09-28T11:12:30 hmm 2012-09-28T11:13:04 i have it 2012-09-28T11:13:19 whats the error? 2012-09-28T11:13:39 oh 2012-09-28T11:13:41 * Missing C library: ftgl 2012-09-28T11:13:43 sec 2012-09-28T11:13:59 k there 2012-09-28T11:14:23 one day I wish arch would have a bunch of haskell libs in the repos 2012-09-28T11:14:27 and not out-of-date... 2012-09-28T11:15:18 it built \o/ 2012-09-28T11:15:38 ah it uses the mouse 2012-09-28T11:15:46 why? it is better to go with cabal imho 2012-09-28T11:15:59 well, I honestly just prefer using one package manager 2012-09-28T11:16:00 thats what the rest of the haskell dev world uses 2012-09-28T11:16:13 but I don't want to use a package manager for every programming language I use 2012-09-28T11:16:16 and my text editor 2012-09-28T11:16:19 and my browser 2012-09-28T11:16:29 you sound like an old fart 2012-09-28T11:16:32 XD 2012-09-28T11:16:38 I sound like a lazy person 2012-09-28T11:16:43 anyway, i have a better idea for the navigation 2012-09-28T11:16:53 it is not nearly good 2012-09-28T11:17:02 someone just needs to make a proper cabal -> PKGBUILD converter 2012-09-28T11:17:05 the existing one sucks 2012-09-28T11:17:13 shouldn't do the work by hand 2012-09-28T11:17:28 except maybe a list of 'haskell-land-name -> package-name' 2012-09-28T11:17:31 i dont mind cabal installs with user priviliges under ~ 2012-09-28T11:18:20 there should be some unified solution for software distribution 2012-09-28T11:18:29 that would use plugins or somesuch 2012-09-28T11:18:34 to specializa 2012-09-28T11:18:49 thestinger: so, what do you think? :) 2012-09-28T11:19:13 pretty awesome so far 2012-09-28T11:19:17 hard to control with a trackpad :) 2012-09-28T11:19:21 hehe 2012-09-28T11:19:34 oh trackpoint works well 2012-09-28T11:19:35 like a joystick 2012-09-28T11:19:46 I should set up the accelerometer to work as a joystick 2012-09-28T11:21:05 i think ill throw in some FRP stuff 2012-09-28T11:21:12 and some effects maybe 2012-09-28T11:21:26 ponies 2012-09-28T11:21:30 it needs an opening screen, and an asteroid counter 2012-09-28T11:21:46 and the better navigation 2012-09-28T11:21:56 I might start submitting i3 patches :P 2012-09-28T11:22:12 oh? it isnt perfect? 2012-09-28T11:22:27 the fact that i3-git is better than i3 proves that wrong :) 2012-09-28T11:24:19 mcstar: http://ompldr.org/vZm84ZA it shows what's in a container now and bubbles up urgent 2012-09-28T11:24:39 I kinda feel like reading through the EWMH standard and implementing the stuff though 2012-09-28T11:25:30 it has _NET_WM_STATE_ADD already but only implements setting _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN 2012-09-28T11:25:44 would be cool if I could set urgent on a window from a script :( 2012-09-28T11:26:08 aha 2012-09-28T11:26:16 which is the urgent window there? 2012-09-28T11:26:25 none, but look at the container on the right 2012-09-28T11:26:27 at the titlebar 2012-09-28T11:26:29 it shows what's in it 2012-09-28T11:26:35 V[termite termite] 2012-09-28T11:26:49 would say H[termite termite termite] with 3 in a horizontal split for example 2012-09-28T11:27:09 thats standard i3 stuff right? 2012-09-28T11:27:12 yeah 2012-09-28T11:27:15 in -git now 2012-09-28T11:27:36 is i3 that wm from that crazy person 2012-09-28T11:27:39 no 2012-09-28T11:27:40 or is it ion? 2012-09-28T11:27:42 that's ion3 2012-09-28T11:27:55 i3 was inspired by wmii, kinda an unfortunate name I guess 2012-09-28T11:28:07 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-28T11:28:10 mcstar: the guy who makes #i3 is a bit crazy in a good way 2012-09-28T11:28:28 he's such a perfectionist - he follows the whole "test case for all the things" philosophy 2012-09-28T11:28:31 ah i know now 2012-09-28T11:28:37 the screenshot with deborah morgan 2012-09-28T11:28:42 yeah 2012-09-28T11:28:42 i like that wm 2012-09-28T11:28:47 XD 2012-09-28T11:29:04 I love it because of tabbing/stacking :) 2012-09-28T11:29:05 i cant wait for the new dexter season 2012-09-28T11:29:20 coming out on sunday 2012-09-28T11:29:34 does it count as incest if it's not your biological sister? 2012-09-28T11:29:53 what does your rabbi says? 2012-09-28T11:29:55 * thestinger has a feeling showtime is going to jump on the incest bandwagon 2012-09-28T11:29:58 say* 2012-09-28T11:30:04 3 of the hbo programs I watch have incest on them 2012-09-28T11:30:16 or at least, did 2012-09-28T11:30:27 Oo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnRJ_hSb8c8 2012-09-28T11:30:40 i dont think Dexter has that in the cards 2012-09-28T11:31:02 there will be a great agony on the side of deborah 2012-09-28T11:31:16 and i think we will see a lot of history/flashbacks 2012-09-28T11:31:28 but i didnt read the spoilers 2012-09-28T11:31:33 mleise: wat.... HOW? 2012-09-28T11:31:35 i went to the site, and almost read them 2012-09-28T11:31:43 whats that video? 2012-09-28T11:31:47 spoiler? 2012-09-28T11:32:05 mcstar: guy with superhuman senses. 2012-09-28T11:32:16 you mean scam? 2012-09-28T11:32:55 eva longoria looks great 2012-09-28T11:33:00 lol 2012-09-28T11:33:29 too old 2012-09-28T11:34:36 i hope noone thinks that video happened the way it shows 2012-09-28T11:34:41 mcstar: lots of companies could learn from the infrastructure i3 has set up though :P 2012-09-28T11:34:50 ok it is fake, I watched a slowmo 2012-09-28T11:35:18 commit to git -> snapshot packages for various distros are built, runs test cases, runs static analysis 2012-09-28T11:35:19 the original ball goes off to the right and he catches the ball with no recoil at all 2012-09-28T11:35:23 and an irc bot posts to the #i3 channel 2012-09-28T11:35:44 it also posts when someone reports a bug or asks a question on the FAQ site (which is like a mini-stackoverflow o_o) 2012-09-28T11:37:45 btw did you all play black mesa? 2012-09-28T11:37:59 i have a wallpaper with black mesa 2012-09-28T11:38:07 whats that outside of HL? 2012-09-28T11:39:53 mleise: 2012-09-28T11:40:54 yes, i mean the hl remake 2012-09-28T11:41:04 remake? 2012-09-28T11:41:31 hmm, well. some people were waiting on it for 8 years 2012-09-28T11:41:54 never heard of it 2012-09-28T11:42:01 and the mod team put a lot of detail into it. it's quite a nice free game. 2012-09-28T11:42:01 http://release.blackmesasource.com/ ? 2012-09-28T11:42:07 that's the one 2012-09-28T11:42:11 linux? 2012-09-28T11:42:15 mcstar: they remade it on source basically, with new gameplay, mechanics etc. 2012-09-28T11:42:17 uh no... 2012-09-28T11:42:20 mcstar: it will run on linux soon 2012-09-28T11:42:28 valve ported source, l4d2 runs on linux now :P 2012-09-28T11:42:31 i player hl on the source engine 2012-09-28T11:42:34 played* 2012-09-28T11:42:38 http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/ 2012-09-28T11:42:38 from the OrangeBox 2012-09-28T11:42:50 mcstar: that's NOT comparable 2012-09-28T11:42:51 mcstar: it's not just on source 2012-09-28T11:42:54 it's a totally new game 2012-09-28T11:42:56 omg 2012-09-28T11:42:59 omg OMG 2012-09-28T11:43:03 ok 2012-09-28T11:43:03 NOT COMPARABLE AT ALL 2012-09-28T11:43:06 i just said that i... 2012-09-28T11:43:07 ^^ 2012-09-28T11:43:20 I sense an escalation of violence 2012-09-28T11:43:27 mleise: go fuck yourself 2012-09-28T11:43:29 I shouldn't start drinking so early 2012-09-28T11:43:35 mleise: kidding 2012-09-28T11:43:42 now kiss 2012-09-28T11:43:47 hehe 2012-09-28T11:43:59 mcstar: write haskell bindings to source :P 2012-09-28T11:44:11 I guess you can't though 2012-09-28T11:44:37 I have no idea if the engine they let the public use provides bindings or just the SDK 2012-09-28T11:45:02 you could already make mods 2012-09-28T11:45:04 what do you mean by bindings vs. sdk? 2012-09-28T11:45:05 thats the sdk part 2012-09-28T11:45:15 the level editor comes with it, so it is an SDK? 2012-09-28T11:45:27 so if they made it opensource, then they must have released the engien sourcs 2012-09-28T11:46:16 I know of mod teams that signed an NDA to work with the source engine 2012-09-28T11:46:32 but i dont see any indication that it went opensource 2012-09-28T11:46:40 for example Empires cannot be open source for that reason 2012-09-28T11:47:06 I don't know if that just applies to mods that integrate into steam 2012-09-28T11:47:19 mcstar: it doesn't need to be open-source to have bindings 2012-09-28T11:48:11 other mods like G-String or Underhell were probably created without signing an NDA 2012-09-28T11:48:12 well, idk why would you want bindings to it in the first place 2012-09-28T11:48:44 for example, ioquake is written in c, but theres an intermediary layer of code that actually does the logic/stuff 2012-09-28T11:48:49 like a scripting language 2012-09-28T11:49:07 i think it a bytecode stack machine 2012-09-28T11:49:11 mcstar: well then you could write a source game's logic in haskell :P 2012-09-28T11:49:39 but a binding is a 1-to-1 corresponding function call api 2012-09-28T11:50:00 and the engine doesnt expose such a thing 2012-09-28T11:50:13 it interprets this middlerware code 2012-09-28T11:50:29 it could - it would expose the ability to register callbacks, and run the engine 2012-09-28T11:50:30 you could write a haskell dsl to compile to that for example 2012-09-28T11:51:47 heh 2012-09-28T11:52:02 i have big lags just by watching the trailer vide 2012-09-28T11:52:04 o 2012-09-28T11:52:22 i think im pretty underpowered to play BlackMesa 2012-09-28T11:52:57 mcstar: you need Windows. It's much better than Linux 2012-09-28T11:53:09 lol 2012-09-28T11:53:22 so i heard 2012-09-28T11:53:25 look our computers are pretty much the same. we benchmarked some programs in the past 2012-09-28T11:53:32 it certainly sells better 2012-09-28T11:53:35 i don't know what your gfx card is though 2012-09-28T11:53:43 mleise: flash sucks everywhere 2012-09-28T11:53:46 mleise: im on 1Ghz 2012-09-28T11:53:59 1Ghz, ok. thought it was more 2012-09-28T11:54:17 as i said earlier, im running with the powersave governor 2012-09-28T11:54:27 mcstar: use youtube-viewer 2012-09-28T11:54:37 then better don't try it. they also have some hi-res textures in some areas that cause me stutters 2012-09-28T11:54:38 plays them in mplayer 2012-09-28T11:54:42 (or another video player) 2012-09-28T11:54:44 or rather, dont view youtube...problem solved 2012-09-28T11:54:48 no use MiniTube 2012-09-28T11:54:53 youtube-viewer is pretty awesome imo :) 2012-09-28T11:55:01 minitube is okay too 2012-09-28T11:55:32 and yes, flash sucks. i don't understand how a 240p video can suck 50% of my cpu 2012-09-28T11:55:54 they must employ the worst programmers they can find 2012-09-28T11:55:58 ffx has gstreamer support too now (in aurora) 2012-09-28T11:56:04 so it can play h264 2012-09-28T11:56:35 i tried html5 video in the past, but it always switched back for me on youtube after a while 2012-09-28T11:56:40 but youtube sucks and some videos don't play outside of flash at all (if they have advertisements - even though adblock is removing them anyway....) 2012-09-28T11:57:01 mleise: it sets a cookie, you have to do something like set it via vimperatorrc or similar 2012-09-28T11:57:04 you can remove the ad videos with an ad blocker?? 2012-09-28T11:57:08 mleise: yes 2012-09-28T11:57:09 flash is crashing for me all the time 2012-09-28T11:57:19 mleise: adblock plus + easylist/easyprivacy subscription 2012-09-28T11:57:20 no youtube ads 2012-09-28T11:57:30 anyway, so this sdk is just a level editor 2012-09-28T11:57:42 flash is also causing my cpu to never go below 10% when i have the regular amount of tabs open *g* 2012-09-28T11:57:57 mcstar: I don't think so. People change the code as well 2012-09-28T11:58:28 e.g. add slow mo, remove crosshair, add new types of weapons or tools 2012-09-28T11:58:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_SDK 2012-09-28T11:58:48 mleise: yeah, but that is scripting the engine 2012-09-28T11:58:52 you cant touch the engine 2012-09-28T11:59:04 mleise: they're basically building scripts and registering them as callbacks 2012-09-28T11:59:09 and changing engine variables 2012-09-28T11:59:19 the engine calls their code 2012-09-28T12:00:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pse-ZFHJRXk 2012-09-28T12:00:13 there you go. 20 minutes to your first mod in C++ 2012-09-28T12:00:26 so they *do* have bindings :) 2012-09-28T12:00:27 requires visual studio 2012-09-28T12:01:08 well, you don't get the engine source code, if that's what you are looking for 2012-09-28T12:01:50 im not looking for it fortunately 2012-09-28T12:02:00 hehe, i have it somewhere 2012-09-28T12:02:08 you know, from the leak 2012-09-28T12:02:18 but maybe i deleted it. don't know 2012-09-28T12:02:23 you drink and you leak 2012-09-28T12:02:52 just remember i was astonished by how much they use strings to refer to stuff, like looking up an animation. i thought that would be too slow 2012-09-28T12:03:28 it is 2012-09-28T12:03:35 leaves less time for Ai 2012-09-28T12:03:38 it showed me once more that premature optimization doesn't make sense. because the source engine is fast anyway 2012-09-28T12:03:39 thats why they all suck 2012-09-28T12:03:41 :) 2012-09-28T12:03:50 hehe, yes the a.i. in games... 2012-09-28T12:04:06 well if it was too smart the player would cry and return the game 2012-09-28T12:04:20 mleise: if you really came to terms with the evilness of premature optimization, you really should learn haskell 2012-09-28T12:04:20 i mean the 14 year olds 2012-09-28T12:04:47 mcstar: no, i still love premature optimization 2012-09-28T12:05:04 god save your soul 2012-09-28T12:05:05 i just wrote a multi-threaded directory listing 2012-09-28T12:05:34 just so the api calls can list the directories while the other thread processes each found file 2012-09-28T12:06:11 it runs 95% slower if I don't actually process the data. so the threading adds ~5% overhead 2012-09-28T12:06:49 my asteroids is multithreaded too, the 'physics' is un-synchronized with the rendering 2012-09-28T12:07:21 wow, that must have been difficult with all the mutexes and signals 2012-09-28T12:07:33 what? 2012-09-28T12:07:34 did you run into deadlocks often? 2012-09-28T12:07:40 look at the code :P 2012-09-28T12:07:42 i dont follow 2012-09-28T12:07:45 what code? 2012-09-28T12:08:03 https://github.com/liquid-phynix/asteroids 2012-09-28T12:08:08 @url 2012-09-28T12:08:09 thestinger: I'm sorry Dave, err thestinger; I cannot 'url'. 2012-09-28T12:08:13 @url stats 2012-09-28T12:08:13 thestinger: I have 14909 URLS in my database. 2012-09-28T12:08:19 mcstar: btw, what's your gfx card? 2012-09-28T12:08:25 goddamn contestbot spying on us 2012-09-28T12:08:38 integrated nvidia 7050 2012-09-28T12:08:38 lol 6 lines of code? 2012-09-28T12:08:48 mleise: it's in another hs file :P 2012-09-28T12:08:51 ah those integrateds... 2012-09-28T12:09:41 ok that's another 260 lines, but where is the real code? is that all? for physics, rendering, initialization, event handling..? 2012-09-28T12:09:51 yeah 2012-09-28T12:09:59 it was 200 2012-09-28T12:10:04 but i added some newlines 2012-09-28T12:10:48 thestinger: that code in the video, is just some template that deals with graphics 2012-09-28T12:11:04 the doesnt even touch it 2012-09-28T12:11:11 just pastes and compiles it 2012-09-28T12:11:16 the guy* 2012-09-28T12:11:46 mleise: 2012-09-28T12:11:48 forkIO (renderLoop worldRef loop t) 2012-09-28T12:11:50 gameLoop worldRef loop t 2012-09-28T12:11:55 thats the multi-threaded part 2012-09-28T12:12:42 mcstar: still talking about Source? https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Category:Programming 2012-09-28T12:13:17 mcstar: that render loop looks suspicious 2012-09-28T12:13:18 i was commenting on the video you linked 2012-09-28T12:13:34 let draw = (t - old_t) > 0.01876 2012-09-28T12:13:46 why suspicious? 2012-09-28T12:13:48 does that 'poll' the timer? 2012-09-28T12:13:59 no 2012-09-28T12:14:03 e.g run in a busy loop until it's time for a new fram? 2012-09-28T12:14:06 *frame 2012-09-28T12:14:08 t <- getRTime 2012-09-28T12:14:12 this gets the time 2012-09-28T12:14:20 sleep 0.001 2012-09-28T12:14:27 this makes sure to not trash the thread 2012-09-28T12:14:29 uh that's awfull 2012-09-28T12:14:38 why? 2012-09-28T12:14:52 because polling is evil 2012-09-28T12:15:23 any reasons? 2012-09-28T12:15:27 mcstar: can't you use one of those mvar things? 2012-09-28T12:15:36 why would i? 2012-09-28T12:15:40 polling always uses more resources than neccesary 2012-09-28T12:15:48 i dont fucking poll 2012-09-28T12:16:02 that just read a timer infrequently 2012-09-28T12:16:08 reads* 2012-09-28T12:16:14 in your case you could compute the time required to render the first frame and then just sleep the amount of time that's missing to your fixed frame rate 2012-09-28T12:16:44 lol 2012-09-28T12:16:53 like i must render a million times per second 2012-09-28T12:17:58 anyway those numbers are experimental 2012-09-28T12:18:03 and can change in future versions 2012-09-28T12:18:11 im not sure how accurate that sleep is 2012-09-28T12:18:29 for example, it doesnt work with large numbers 2012-09-28T12:18:32 at most as accurate as your system scheduler frequency 2012-09-28T12:18:41 im not sure 2012-09-28T12:19:00 i didnt bother to check the original documentation 2012-09-28T12:19:12 e.g. you put the thread to sleep and the kernel will wake it up when it gives it another time slice 2012-09-28T12:19:17 sysctl -a | grep granu is te best it could be 2012-09-28T12:19:22 the* 2012-09-28T12:19:33 great 2012-09-28T12:19:41 but i think that timer is off 2012-09-28T12:19:52 like, i cant sleep for 100ms or 1000ms or such 2012-09-28T12:20:00 don't know about the 'tickless kernel' stuff, but in the past the rate was 250 Hz, so you sure had to wait at least 4ms 2012-09-28T12:20:20 mleise: now stuff wakes up when it was timed to wake up 2012-09-28T12:20:22 mcstar: sounds odd 2012-09-28T12:20:25 but there's a minimum granularity 2012-09-28T12:20:48 so it's allowed to group the wakeups together 2012-09-28T12:21:04 higher granularity -> more throughput, more latency 2012-09-28T12:21:11 i see 2012-09-28T12:21:30 arch has bad defaults for gaming so I had to change them, and watched some 2 hour talk about it :P 2012-09-28T12:21:31 I'm kinda on Windows right now. 2012-09-28T12:21:54 -> changed your USB mouse polling rate already? :p 2012-09-28T12:22:02 i did 2012-09-28T12:22:10 mleise: this is a laptop anyway :P 2012-09-28T12:22:24 my rig is a laptop, too 2012-09-28T12:22:25 thestinger: what did you tweak? 2012-09-28T12:22:59 well the battery is defective. it's more of a really flat deskop now 2012-09-28T12:23:01 mcstar: well I make the granularity finer 2012-09-28T12:23:03 I forget the numbers 2012-09-28T12:23:28 mleise: I get 7 hours on a 6-cell :) 2012-09-28T12:23:34 you can tune so much in the kernel, i like that. not like windows where you are just stuck with what you get 2012-09-28T12:23:35 and it's a proper laptop 2012-09-28T12:24:02 thestinger: I _got_ 4 hours on a 9 cell if I didn't connect anything and shut the lid, lol 2012-09-28T12:24:15 e.g. listening to mp3s 2012-09-28T12:24:20 sandy and ivy bridge were game changers though 2012-09-28T12:24:23 a lot more battery life 2012-09-28T12:24:53 oh and ssd probably saves power... 2012-09-28T12:25:25 ah ssd, it was too expensive when I bought mine 2012-09-28T12:25:42 and 64GB wasn't enough 2012-09-28T12:25:45 well, you also can't buy it from the OEM - they are really bad 2012-09-28T12:26:08 have to buy a corsair/crucial/samsung/intel one on amazon/newegg/similar to get a good deal 2012-09-28T12:26:17 they have like a 300% markup if you buy it from the OEM... dunno why 2012-09-28T12:26:29 markup? 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