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it's pretty fucking awful 2012-10-01T10:50:44 awesome* 2012-10-01T10:50:47 totally failed at that sentence 2012-10-01T10:50:50 heh 2012-10-01T10:50:53 let me repeat, it's pretty fucking awesome* :P 2012-10-01T10:50:58 k 2012-10-01T10:51:02 whats ragel? 2012-10-01T10:51:36 similar to regex, except you can define actions along the way - and it's ahead-of-time compiled 2012-10-01T10:51:45 the part that's awesome is that it can output graphviz graphs, etc. 2012-10-01T10:51:52 of your state machine 2012-10-01T10:51:57 and it's damn fast. 2012-10-01T10:52:01 i see 2012-10-01T10:52:09 going to be using it to deal with the hell that is wikisource 2012-10-01T10:52:12 lets open a beer 2012-10-01T10:52:21 it's 10:52am :P 2012-10-01T10:52:47 somehow I ended up doing a lot of code generation today 2012-10-01T10:52:54 gperf is kinda neat too 2012-10-01T10:53:38 whats the project? 2012-10-01T10:53:47 well, I downloaded the english wikipedia db dump 2012-10-01T10:53:53 going to mess around with natural language stuff 2012-10-01T10:54:16 but first... turning it to text 2012-10-01T10:54:28 it's a 38GB xml file, and inside of that are the wikisource crap for the pages 2012-10-01T10:55:25 mediawiki syntax is pretty awful - there's some 8k line php file that iterates over it with regex 2012-10-01T10:55:29 making it more and more like html 2012-10-01T10:55:36 then they just run it through html tidy to make it valid 2012-10-01T10:55:51 luckily I only need text... 2012-10-01T10:55:59 so essentially, strip everything else 2012-10-01T10:56:23 i see 2012-10-01T10:56:30 but is this only some exercise? 2012-10-01T10:56:39 yes :P 2012-10-01T10:56:46 and an excuse to learn ragel and other stuff 2012-10-01T10:57:03 im finishing my asteroids 2012-10-01T10:57:16 its quite better alrady 2012-10-01T10:57:18 e 2012-10-01T10:57:34 you will have a game that you can play if you get tired of ragel :) 2012-10-01T10:57:39 there are so many named html entities 2012-10-01T10:57:45 http://sprunge.us/jDgj (I generated that from the spec) 2012-10-01T10:58:26 and then gperf does magic to make a perfect hash of the keys ;p 2012-10-01T10:58:48 so, 17 line python file and a 5 line Makefile 2012-10-01T10:58:57 -> 6855 line C file 2012-10-01T10:58:59 ... 2012-10-01T10:59:15 what asteroids? 2012-10-01T10:59:29 * UncleVasya is wondering how he missed it. 2012-10-01T10:59:38 shhhh, thestinger is spinning from gperf/ragel 2012-10-01T10:59:43 ^ 2012-10-01T10:59:52 but not so much expat... 2012-10-01T10:59:56 undocumented api :( 2012-10-01T11:00:03 only tutorial is from 1999 2012-10-01T11:00:11 lol 2012-10-01T11:00:11 oh well, it works 2012-10-01T11:00:24 i bet this is part of plan 9 2012-10-01T11:00:35 mcstar: stream-based xml parser - used all over 2012-10-01T11:00:41 mcstar: pacman -Qi expat :P 2012-10-01T11:01:02 well, i dont need those stuff 2012-10-01T11:01:06 or need to know about them :) 2012-10-01T11:01:09 you have it! 2012-10-01T11:01:23 not as far as im concerned :) 2012-10-01T11:02:03 thestinger: did you enjoy the new episode? 2012-10-01T11:02:08 dexter? yeah 2012-10-01T11:02:27 im a bit sad that simmons was killed 2012-10-01T11:02:33 i think simmons was his name 2012-10-01T11:02:40 the new det 2012-10-01T11:02:47 I had to watch 3 shows yesterday 2012-10-01T11:03:02 for some reason they're all on at the same time of the year 2012-10-01T11:03:12 on the same day... 2012-10-01T11:03:24 yay pvrs? 2012-10-01T11:03:57 'had to' 2012-10-01T11:04:08 or else someone would have slit your throat 2012-10-01T11:05:59 *** Cyndre has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-10-01T11:06:47 mike anderson 2012-10-01T11:06:55 simms is another one 2012-10-01T11:07:02 im terrible with names 2012-10-01T11:09:28 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T11:09:28 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-10-01T11:18:49 hi amstan, you came to my mind when I found rpscontest.com :D 2012-10-01T11:19:18 UncleVasya: is it still open? 2012-10-01T11:19:22 i could dig up my old bot 2012-10-01T11:19:43 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-10-01T11:19:45 python only though? hmm 2012-10-01T11:21:28 I don't know. Sometimes I take a look on these things but don't betray aichallenge by paying much attention <3 2012-10-01T11:21:49 btw, every source code is open. 2012-10-01T11:22:21 There quite complicated bots on top. :) 2012-10-01T11:22:28 *there are 2012-10-01T11:22:58 UncleVasya: whatever, it's not my code anyway 2012-10-01T11:23:05 it's another bot that was opensourced a while ago 2012-10-01T11:23:15 greenberg 2012-10-01T11:23:18 except it's in c 2012-10-01T11:23:22 so i would have to port it 2012-10-01T11:23:35 and idk if it can handle the 5 second time limit 2012-10-01T11:23:47 even the C version took its time 2012-10-01T11:25:45 can I pretend one of those guys who ask about next contest? :) 2012-10-01T11:25:56 UncleVasya: wait... really? 2012-10-01T11:26:01 source code is open now? 2012-10-01T11:26:07 come on, this is easy then 2012-10-01T11:26:32 just make a cronjob that keeps my bot at the top 2012-10-01T11:26:44 I wasn't here for a while so don't know anything about current status. 2012-10-01T11:27:23 *who ask about new on next contest 2012-10-01T11:27:28 *news 2012-10-01T11:27:32 UncleVasya: there's not much news 2012-10-01T11:27:43 ok 2012-10-01T11:30:06 but can you briefly tell me what is keeping contest from development? 2012-10-01T11:30:30 for what to happen I must pray? :) 2012-10-01T11:32:28 UncleVasya: pretty much everything 2012-10-01T11:32:44 jeff doesnt give a shit 2012-10-01T11:32:47 UncleVasya: it's mostly people's interest in developing 2012-10-01T11:32:53 mcstar: jeff doesn't have to give a shit 2012-10-01T11:33:03 UncleVasya: and organizing 2012-10-01T11:33:06 amstan: thanks 2012-10-01T11:33:18 why? you guys talk about him like everything were depending on him 2012-10-01T11:33:35 mcstar: it did last time, since he was the main contact with google 2012-10-01T11:34:13 mcstar: but i'm sure it can be done without him 2012-10-01T11:34:15 amstan: honestly, it is a bit reckless to disregard the fact that the 2 previous contests were such a success 2012-10-01T11:34:16 and he agrees 2012-10-01T11:34:44 hmm, I always believed there are a lot of people willing to help (some prootypes from Smiley, something from deltor etc). 2012-10-01T11:34:58 UncleVasya: yes, random devs, yes 2012-10-01T11:35:03 UncleVasya: but someone needs to manage all this 2012-10-01T11:35:04 so now i have a more clear view on things 2012-10-01T11:35:12 i suck at it 2012-10-01T11:35:53 UncleVasya: i'm sure that once we have something people will come 2012-10-01T11:36:07 UncleVasya: but till then it's all chicken and egg 2012-10-01T11:36:44 by something you mean not a code but some organization? 2012-10-01T11:37:28 ok, I think I've got it, thanks again. 2012-10-01T11:38:30 UncleVasya: it's def not a code problem, this channel is full of coders 2012-10-01T11:53:52 *** Anilm3 has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T11:55:52 amstan: still learning haskell? 2012-10-01T11:56:11 mcstar: nah, gave up when i had to start learning vim because kate wouldn't indent my haskell code properly 2012-10-01T11:56:27 oh, you chose between haskell and vim? 2012-10-01T11:56:35 thats kind of weird :) 2012-10-01T11:57:54 *** mlp has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-10-01T11:59:28 *** Anilm3 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-10-01T11:59:38 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-10-01T12:00:32 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T12:01:15 mcstar: no 2012-10-01T12:01:28 mcstar: vim is a requirement for haskell, so it indents my code properly 2012-10-01T12:01:35 but then i gave up learning vim 2012-10-01T12:01:59 amstan: vimtutor :P 2012-10-01T12:02:24 thestinger: i went through it, i just don't feel comfortable editing stuff with it yet 2012-10-01T12:02:30 i just have to force myself sometime 2012-10-01T12:02:38 amstan: do you use gmail? 2012-10-01T12:02:42 amstan: welll, not really, emacs is more like a requirement if you are talking about requirements 2012-10-01T12:02:46 thestinger: yes? 2012-10-01T12:02:51 amstan: look at the gmail key bindings :P 2012-10-01T12:02:59 just hit ? 2012-10-01T12:03:08 thestinger: ok 2012-10-01T12:04:36 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-10-01T12:04:55 *** Anilm3 has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T12:11:31 *** Anilm3 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-10-01T12:11:47 UncleVasya: damn it, the top bot uses randomness a lot 2012-10-01T12:12:00 UncleVasya: my anti strategy doesn't seem to work right 2012-10-01T12:12:01 idk why 2012-10-01T12:15:10 oh i'm an idiot 2012-10-01T12:15:20 i forgot to increase the choice 2012-10-01T12:15:25 i'm just trying to draw right now 2012-10-01T12:23:07 I'm glad you're enjoying :) 2012-10-01T12:24:28 UncleVasya: ok, got it mostly working now 2012-10-01T12:24:43 UncleVasya: the only thing that its defeating now is that they're isolating the random number generators 2012-10-01T12:24:47 otherwise i would be 100% perfect 2012-10-01T12:26:33 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T12:28:03 amstan: post a link to your submission when you'll make one. 2012-10-01T12:28:09 UncleVasya: ok 2012-10-01T12:33:01 darn it, these bots aren't deterministic, even if i use the same seed 2012-10-01T12:34:13 *** Simas_J has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T12:34:43 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T12:35:48 UncleVasya: ok, i give up for now, i'll try later 2012-10-01T12:36:42 UncleVasya: oh lol, perfect! so i won't get disqualified either: http://www.rpscontest.com/help 2012-10-01T12:36:47 "What prevents somebody else from copying my program?" 2012-10-01T12:37:16 the idea is to have the top bot as a string in there that gets executed as 2 instances 2012-10-01T12:37:30 :) 2012-10-01T12:37:33 so there is an exact copy in there, but it's in a string, and there's a bunch of code around it 2012-10-01T12:37:50 hmm.. 2012-10-01T12:37:55 i could make this to work for multiple bots 2012-10-01T12:37:56 interesting 2012-10-01T12:40:45 the leaders win about 80 to 90 % of their matches? well it looks like 80% is the safer bet 2012-10-01T12:41:31 but still there must be massive cheating involved if they win against random bots consistently 2012-10-01T12:41:53 or do i not understand math somehow? 2012-10-01T12:42:35 maybe ranod bots - rest 10% :D 2012-10-01T12:42:37 so really they only win over those who tried to write something 'smart' but failed 2012-10-01T12:42:42 *random 2012-10-01T12:44:38 mleise: yes, pretty much 2012-10-01T12:44:58 mleise: in the previous aichallenge the default bot was rockbot, so it was easier to write a better bot than them 2012-10-01T12:45:05 randomness was only a minority 2012-10-01T12:45:34 just writing a paperbot would put you above the pure random bots 2012-10-01T12:45:38 *** smjm has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2012-10-01T12:47:48 hehe 2012-10-01T12:49:00 *** foRei has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-10-01T12:50:07 and who doesn't say that in rpscontest all the top competitors have 10 slave bots, that are just in there to lose against the master bot? 2012-10-01T12:50:47 mleise: nobody, lol 2012-10-01T12:50:57 mleise: that's a good rule for us, lol 2012-10-01T12:51:03 hehe 2012-10-01T12:51:18 ok, wtf is wrong with these seeds? 2012-10-01T12:51:36 it wouldn't be to hard to begin with a known sequence to create a handshake between two bots 2012-10-01T12:51:37 i run exactly the same code, with the same seeds, and i get different results 2012-10-01T12:51:58 amstan: what language? what generator? what ever? 2012-10-01T12:52:07 mleise: python, they're all python bots 2012-10-01T12:52:11 oh i see 2012-10-01T12:52:25 maybe there are multiple threads? 2012-10-01T12:52:32 and you set the seed in the wrong one? 2012-10-01T12:52:44 or there are two generator instances in the same thread? 2012-10-01T12:53:23 random generators are sometimes targets of attacks, so something might have changed with an update 2012-10-01T12:53:52 mleise: yeah, i know, but i'm consistently loosing against the bot i'm emulating 2012-10-01T12:53:58 even though i'm not in anti emulation mode 2012-10-01T12:54:07 anti-other* 2012-10-01T12:54:14 *scratcheshead* 2012-10-01T12:54:29 well, some imported module *could* also set the seed 2012-10-01T12:57:29 terrible 2012-10-01T12:57:35 im close to 400 lines 2012-10-01T12:58:00 oh noes, your haskell code is reaching the length at which is becomes unmaintainable ^^ 2012-10-01T13:01:50 no 2012-10-01T13:01:56 just more than id like it to be 2012-10-01T13:02:07 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc2) 2012-10-01T13:02:25 omg, is this is 2012-10-01T13:02:29 you wish you could play with it... 2012-10-01T13:02:59 *** iouri has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-10-01T13:03:04 mcstar: could it be that you are as obsessed with lines of code as I am with optimizations? 2012-10-01T13:03:24 nah... 2012-10-01T13:03:28 :) 2012-10-01T13:03:56 or rather "expressiveness" of the languae 2012-10-01T13:04:07 you can do much in a single line of code 2012-10-01T13:04:55 I took a look at Gothic3 and they didn't use SSE in the vector math classes. isn't that horrible? 2012-10-01T13:36:16 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T13:38:13 hmm, this doesn't seem to work that wekk 2012-10-01T13:38:15 well* 2012-10-01T13:38:18 these bots give up too easily 2012-10-01T13:38:24 and go to random 2012-10-01T13:38:42 oh! 2012-10-01T13:38:56 i can override random calls, and see if random was used in that run 2012-10-01T13:38:59 and then go random too 2012-10-01T13:41:20 hmm, it works very well against others 2012-10-01T13:41:23 though 2012-10-01T13:45:27 mleise: so you aren't going to tell me something about asteroids you writing? 2012-10-01T13:45:39 sorry, miss 2012-10-01T13:45:43 UncleVasya: -> mcstar :) 2012-10-01T13:45:53 mcstar: it was for you 2012-10-01T13:46:13 well, its almost ready for public consumption 2012-10-01T13:46:29 i have to fix something, and maybe clean it up 2012-10-01T13:46:30 start with an idea 2012-10-01T13:46:34 and make a cabal install file 2012-10-01T13:46:57 what is this and how you decided to write it. Then we'll go for details :) 2012-10-01T13:47:00 UncleVasya: if you want, you can look at the previous version 2012-10-01T13:47:17 UncleVasya: just a stupid game to learn some more haskell 2012-10-01T13:47:28 it's a details 2012-10-01T13:47:40 * mleise installs cabal 2012-10-01T13:47:52 heheh, same story here 2012-10-01T13:47:54 UncleVasya: https://github.com/liquid-phynix/asteroids 2012-10-01T13:49:57 is cabal-install 0.14 ok? 2012-10-01T13:50:28 mcstar: https://github.com/UncleVasya/DoYouBelieve 2012-10-01T13:51:38 UncleVasya: you still write longlong blocks of code 2012-10-01T13:51:41 mcstar: a variation of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheat_(game) 2012-10-01T13:51:46 just to make sure noone can understand it :) 2012-10-01T13:52:00 mleise: yes 2012-10-01T13:52:27 UncleVasya: so you play against the computer? 2012-10-01T13:53:20 not yet 2012-10-01T13:54:41 my plan is: 1. finish game logic --> 2. write _very_simple_ai_ just for testing --> 3. make a webpage with ocsigen to play online 2012-10-01T13:55:43 game logic is almost finished. I can do it today, but maybe I'll decide to go to sleep instead of this. 2012-10-01T13:57:37 oh, yes, there's some comment with 'mcstar' :) 2012-10-01T13:57:51 Did you saw? 2012-10-01T13:58:11 haha 2012-10-01T13:58:12 now i do 2012-10-01T13:58:39 in ocaml you should always write tail recursive functions, if they can grow substantially 2012-10-01T13:59:17 sub-what? :D 2012-10-01T14:00:15 is dealing with max of 54-element list can be something substantially? 2012-10-01T14:00:33 no 2012-10-01T14:01:16 so i'm going to rewrite it with not tail-recursive functions and code will become a little shorter, you'll enjoy, hahah :) 2012-10-01T14:02:27 decent 2012-10-01T14:02:28 https://github.com/erdman/roshambo/blob/master/greenberg.py 2012-10-01T14:02:49 it really isnt my problem if your stack explodes :) 2012-10-01T14:04:46 mcstar: our codes are quite the same in size but your seems to do more things *THUMBS UP* 2012-10-01T14:05:15 UncleVasya: i never wrote a card game in my life 2012-10-01T14:05:33 I should write a card game 2012-10-01T14:05:41 good idea for an ai challenge 2012-10-01T14:05:59 :( 2012-10-01T14:06:09 Zannick: you unimaginative ... 2012-10-01T14:06:18 what? 2012-10-01T14:06:28 "good idea for an ai challenge" 2012-10-01T14:06:33 i mean a ccg 2012-10-01T14:06:39 i dont want to do that for the next challenge 2012-10-01T14:06:58 darn it, this doesn't work even against greenberg! 2012-10-01T14:06:59 they did something like that for icfp one year 2012-10-01T14:07:05 i forgot how i did it last time then 2012-10-01T14:07:24 Zannick: I thouht abou this as an idea for such thing. But I don't know what to do with a situation when some bots crash. 2012-10-01T14:07:37 the other player wins? 2012-10-01T14:07:42 they still have cards but can't move 2012-10-01T14:07:56 mtg deals with this 2012-10-01T14:08:12 a player may resign at any time, and when a player leaves the game all their stuff leaves as well 2012-10-01T14:09:05 mtg? 2012-10-01T14:09:10 magic the gathering 2012-10-01T14:09:17 ok 2012-10-01T14:13:17 hm 2012-10-01T14:13:27 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-10-01T14:13:45 if it were a very simple game, the main challenge could be, say, a draft and deckbuilding 2012-10-01T14:14:05 (i don't actually have time to build an aichallenge anyway) 2012-10-01T14:14:07 little teaser: 2012-10-01T14:14:10 http://i.imgur.com/WZX9K.png 2012-10-01T14:17:20 *** Simas_J has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-10-01T14:23:14 *** Simas_J has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T14:25:02 hey, you can draw! 2012-10-01T14:25:25 this asteroid looks quite good 2012-10-01T14:26:06 what's with the lines going through the middle of the objects? 2012-10-01T14:28:20 ok, I know you copied it from somewhere. i'm a troll. 2012-10-01T14:30:37 yay 2012-10-01T14:30:40 done 2012-10-01T14:30:57 mleise: its an aretifact of a package im using 2012-10-01T14:31:09 it doesnt really show if it moves 2012-10-01T14:31:24 mleise: yeah, the explosion itself is copied 2012-10-01T14:31:29 stars are generated 2012-10-01T14:31:35 i made the background all by myself 2012-10-01T14:31:40 i see that ^^ 2012-10-01T14:31:44 and edited the ship and thrust, which you cant see 2012-10-01T14:31:46 two layers of perlin noise 2012-10-01T14:31:58 anyway 2012-10-01T14:32:02 i write a cabal file 2012-10-01T14:32:05 and you can test it 2012-10-01T14:32:09 do you want to? 2012-10-01T14:32:12 yay 2012-10-01T14:32:16 just quickly 2012-10-01T14:32:29 i want to leave shortly 2012-10-01T14:33:07 "Warning: The package list for 'hackage.haskell.org' is 15 days old." :D 2012-10-01T14:34:46 so where do i get this cabal file? 2012-10-01T14:35:18 cabal update 2012-10-01T14:35:25 the file? i need to write it 2012-10-01T14:35:28 *** jacob_strauss has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T14:35:33 but it will take some time since ive never done it 2012-10-01T14:35:40 so, i recommend you install dependencies by hand 2012-10-01T14:35:56 colour 2012-10-01T14:35:58 oh i thought it was ready to use, my fault 2012-10-01T14:36:05 *** jacob_strauss has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-10-01T14:36:10 graphics-drawingcombinators 2012-10-01T14:36:23 *** jacob_strauss has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-01T14:36:26 OpenGL 2012-10-01T14:36:42 GLFW-b 2012-10-01T14:36:47 *** Simas_J has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-10-01T14:36:53 cond 2012-10-01T14:37:06 compiling 1 of 184 .... oh my :p 2012-10-01T14:38:08 mleise: why doesnt git commit updates my changed files? 2012-10-01T14:38:20 git push? :p 2012-10-01T14:38:20 -s 2012-10-01T14:38:22 ah 2012-10-01T14:38:25 no 2012-10-01T14:38:28 i did that 2012-10-01T14:38:31 git add ? 2012-10-01T14:38:39 i have them already 2012-10-01T14:38:44 from before 2012-10-01T14:38:55 when you change a file you have to readd it 2012-10-01T14:39:01 oh? 2012-10-01T14:39:03 wtf 2012-10-01T14:39:07 thats stupid 2012-10-01T14:39:22 there probably is a reason we don't know 2012-10-01T14:39:45 mleise: this wasnt the case before 2012-10-01T14:39:52 this makes the whole thing idiotic 2012-10-01T14:40:04 i have to re-add every while after every change? 2012-10-01T14:40:31 yes, I usually just do "git add dirname" 2012-10-01T14:40:42 "git add ." for example :p 2012-10-01T14:40:57 though that might add stuff you don't want to add 2012-10-01T14:41:02 yeah 2012-10-01T14:41:08 but i dont remember doing this before 2012-10-01T14:41:13 git commit -a 2012-10-01T14:41:18 also the bashcompletion helped my, because it only listed changed files that I haven't added yet 2012-10-01T14:41:22 Zannick: thanks 2012-10-01T14:41:26 will put all files already tracked in the commit 2012-10-01T14:41:27 now i remember 0a 2012-10-01T14:41:29