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88? 2012-10-02T05:44:32 88 is too high 2012-10-02T05:44:37 i think i only managed 36 2012-10-02T05:44:43 ok 38 then 2012-10-02T05:45:04 https://github.com/andyhd/asteroids/blob/master/asteroids.lisp 2012-10-02T05:45:10 this is the code that motivated me 2012-10-02T05:45:15 the hitboxes feel natural 2012-10-02T05:45:24 now that ive actually wrote my, im gonna study this 2012-10-02T05:45:34 mine* 2012-10-02T05:45:48 that little game was featured on ycombinator 2012-10-02T05:45:51 but it is still the best to just stand still in the center 2012-10-02T05:46:16 yeah, it needs to be more challenging 2012-10-02T05:48:56 my game is aside from 1 ioref doesnt use mutable state 2012-10-02T05:49:04 -is 2012-10-02T05:49:19 i think thats nice 2012-10-02T05:49:50 121 points 2012-10-02T05:49:52 and i need that ioref, since that signals me if the user tried to close the window :) 2012-10-02T05:50:09 mleise: whoa, youre now a master 2012-10-02T05:50:30 are you sure you only got 36? 2012-10-02T05:50:32 i dont like sitting in the middle, myabe thats why i get low scores 2012-10-02T05:50:34 yeah 2012-10-02T05:50:48 yeah sitting in the middle is the ultimate cheat 2012-10-02T05:51:15 i will add this: camping will lower your hp 2012-10-02T05:55:05 mcstar: no, add that the screen moves with your spacecraft 2012-10-02T05:55:16 hehe 2012-10-02T05:55:26 that resulted in a catastrophy 2012-10-02T05:55:28 it's near to impossible to dodge asteroids when you are in a screen corenrr 2012-10-02T05:55:34 i thouht it would be such a good idea 2012-10-02T05:55:47 i actually wrote it 2012-10-02T05:55:52 and then had to remove it 2012-10-02T05:56:24 also sometimes the asteroids are heading right into you from the start :p 2012-10-02T05:56:28 mleise: the problem is, the game-space is periodic, and when you rotate you always get artifacts 2012-10-02T05:57:13 you don't have to rotate the screen, just move it :) 2012-10-02T05:57:37 no, to make sense you'd have to rotate with the player 2012-10-02T05:57:55 you want only to center the screen on the screen position of the ship? 2012-10-02T05:58:19 yes, that would be enough to keep track of your sourroundings 2012-10-02T05:58:32 idk 2012-10-02T05:58:52 the original asteroids/maelstrom is not like that 2012-10-02T05:59:14 maelstrom even has a thick black bevel around the screen 2012-10-02T05:59:23 it hides your ship and the asteroids 2012-10-02T05:59:28 now that is confusing 2012-10-02T06:00:16 not bevel 2012-10-02T06:00:26 lets call it frame 2012-10-02T06:01:15 i hope unclevasya didnt get too upset that i didnt play with his cards game 2012-10-02T06:01:21 but i really dont like cards 2012-10-02T06:03:20 hehe 2012-10-02T06:03:30 i just tried asteroids and ... it feels different 2012-10-02T06:03:40 which one? 2012-10-02T06:03:45 the ship has some friction. it slows down after a while 2012-10-02T06:03:46 there are quite some 2012-10-02T06:03:50 http://www.play.vg/games/4-Asteroids.html 2012-10-02T06:04:31 mleise: you could try that CL one too 2012-10-02T06:04:38 it's more like you are moving your ship out of the way than actually flying 2012-10-02T06:05:35 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-10-02T06:05:55 maybe there is also more room to circle some of the rocks without going too far to the edge aka danger zone 2012-10-02T06:06:11 i was experimenting with mouse controlling the ship 2012-10-02T06:06:18 and I think the asteroids don't come in on the other side immediately 2012-10-02T06:06:27 but it was too hacky, and bad for the game experience 2012-10-02T06:06:45 mleise: probably has a blacked out frame too 2012-10-02T06:06:49 * mleise doesn't like mice replacing joysticks in flight games 2012-10-02T06:06:52 like in maelstrom 2012-10-02T06:07:11 mleise: do you have sbcl? 2012-10-02T06:07:15 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T06:07:17 and quicklisp? 2012-10-02T06:07:31 if so, you can just load that code up 2012-10-02T06:08:15 nah, i don't want to try yet another asteroids clone 2012-10-02T06:08:25 i never liked that game much anyway 2012-10-02T06:08:46 like any of the games with no goal ^^ 2012-10-02T06:09:11 :) 2012-10-02T06:10:12 mleise: this was just a lame attemp for you to install lisp, and maybe like it so much that you switch from D 2012-10-02T06:10:52 what I hate in D is that I'm getting scared of the garbage collector 2012-10-02T06:11:27 i don't want to use strings in bigger programs any more. it's that bad 2012-10-02T06:12:32 but, no I'm going to stick to the syntax i feel familiar with 2012-10-02T06:13:36 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T06:13:44 sure 2012-10-02T06:13:53 mleise: do you write commercial stuff in D? 2012-10-02T06:14:21 no, but others seem to 2012-10-02T06:14:50 there is also some open-source stuff like the web framework vibe.d 2012-10-02T06:14:55 whats the language then, that you earn money with> 2012-10-02T06:15:04 Java :-/ 2012-10-02T06:15:11 or Delphi 2012-10-02T06:15:23 i should have remembered delphi 2012-10-02T06:16:31 It is actually brilliant if you develop for Windows. It is a GUI designer, compiler, linker, debugger and IDE all-in-one 2012-10-02T06:16:59 brilliant 2012-10-02T06:17:00 And compiles to small statically linked executables 2012-10-02T06:17:21 somehow it disappeared from linux 2012-10-02T06:17:28 i ued kylix once 2012-10-02T06:17:31 had a cd 2012-10-02T06:17:37 that was buggy I heard 2012-10-02T06:17:46 an experiment that didn't go so well 2012-10-02T06:18:12 It was nowhere as complete as Delphi as well iirc 2012-10-02T06:18:17 mleise: also, what you listed, visual studio has them too 2012-10-02T06:18:31 for C#? 2012-10-02T06:18:34 or C++ 2012-10-02T06:18:51 I still make the discrimination here 2012-10-02T06:19:23 the GUI designers for C++ usually just generated code I think 2012-10-02T06:20:05 there is managed c++ too 2012-10-02T06:20:15 while Delphi uses a separate .frm file to store the properties of GUI elements, so they don't interfere with the code 2012-10-02T06:20:41 i dont see why that is so good 2012-10-02T06:21:01 but anyway, i think the gui designer outputs some xml-like structure 2012-10-02T06:21:16 you'll see when your code is full of setting properties and when you get out of sync with the gui designer somehow 2012-10-02T06:21:36 one reason i dont use a gui designer 2012-10-02T06:21:44 you see 2012-10-02T06:21:59 that doesn't happen with a clean separation of issues 2012-10-02T06:22:17 maybe, i cant say 2012-10-02T06:22:23 either way the lead architect of Delphi worked for Microsoft on C#, so some similarities can be found 2012-10-02T06:22:31 like properties and the 'set' type 2012-10-02T06:23:31 soon, functional reactive gui development will reach those languages too 2012-10-02T06:23:45 :-D 2012-10-02T06:24:02 im not really kidding 2012-10-02T06:24:11 the worst gui designer ever was MFC... man what a chore 2012-10-02T06:24:21 they had popups for _everything_ 2012-10-02T06:24:24 maybe this will be one answer to qt's javascript-like declarative gui solution 2012-10-02T06:24:26 qml 2012-10-02T06:24:59 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T06:25:11 c# is stealing DSL and functional stuff for some time 2012-10-02T06:25:31 those microsoft guys even made f# 2012-10-02T06:25:55 yes and they _fund_ functional language development 2012-10-02T06:26:23 Let me show you a real die hard Delphi user: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLqs5CpSHcU&hd=1 2012-10-02T06:26:40 he just implemented a sort of raytracing in his 3D engine 2012-10-02T06:27:12 the reflections are calculated only from already rendered pixels or in other words what is visible on screen already 2012-10-02T06:28:05 rendering, thats what ive been thinking about too 2012-10-02T06:28:16 i revisited unlimited detail technology 2012-10-02T06:28:26 they had a new demo since the last time i chekced 2012-10-02T06:28:32 i watched the presentation a while ago 2012-10-02T06:28:48 the 1kmx1km island? 2012-10-02T06:28:59 some sort of temple with elephants 2012-10-02T06:29:08 elephant statues that is 2012-10-02T06:29:08 thats not a temple 2012-10-02T06:29:10 open air 2012-10-02T06:29:13 but with elephansts 2012-10-02T06:29:15 they couldn't do animations 'yet' 2012-10-02T06:29:33 they showed animation of earlier stuff 2012-10-02T06:31:18 so they animated a single bird in the void? :D 2012-10-02T06:32:00 mleise: i thought that video showed the guy writing the stuff in delphi 2012-10-02T06:32:54 no I have never seen a photo of him or heard him talk. he is a phantom 2012-10-02T06:33:24 mleise: not a good showcase of delphi, that demo could have been written in any language 2012-10-02T06:33:46 maybe showcasing delphi wasnt your intention 2012-10-02T06:33:49 well he is active on the german delphigl forum 2012-10-02T06:34:18 but no, showcasing delphi was not my intention, because you could do that kind of stuff in any language as you say 2012-10-02T06:34:59 maybe I wanted to say, that Delphi doesn't fall behind C++ in such scenarios 2012-10-02T06:35:17 i didnt think it would 2012-10-02T06:35:24 usually Delphi is thought of as an application language for database frontends and stuff 2012-10-02T06:35:41 thats what they were trying to sell it for 2012-10-02T06:36:10 but now, that we have LINQ, delphi is obsolete 2012-10-02T06:36:16 XD 2012-10-02T06:37:01 hmm doesn't lisp ever get obsolete? 2012-10-02T06:37:57 I think, maybe it is too .. pure to become obsolete. the core language is so simple that it is like the proton or the neutron. 2012-10-02T06:38:18 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T06:38:20 you can build up any structure from there 2012-10-02T06:38:54 you should have said electron 2012-10-02T06:39:13 i wanted to , but something made me change my mind 2012-10-02T06:39:14 a neutron is close to being the mix of a proton and an electron 2012-10-02T06:39:28 a proton/neutron is made of quarks 2012-10-02T06:39:43 which might be made of something else 2012-10-02T06:39:44 that's like arguing the foundations of boolean algebra 2012-10-02T06:39:48 maybe strings, who knows 2012-10-02T06:39:59 you can start with an and or an or and a not 2012-10-02T06:40:08 no, not really 2012-10-02T06:40:43 im just saying an electron is more elementary than a proton, thats all 2012-10-02T06:41:01 ok 2012-10-02T06:42:21 what people say when someone says 'lisp is obsolete' is that more and more lisp is found in every language 2012-10-02T06:42:45 so it got assimilated 2012-10-02T06:43:00 the question is, does delphi have something, that other languages would want to incorporate 2012-10-02T06:43:04 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T06:43:13 http://www.davidlouisedelman.com/wp-content/uploads/bill-gates-borg.jpg 2012-10-02T06:43:28 i thnk ive seen it wo checking the link 2012-10-02T06:43:51 mcstar: if I compare to D, then for me it is the way properties are done and sets 2012-10-02T06:45:01 and then there is the all-in-one thing that's what I like, but others disagree. mostly vi and emacs users 2012-10-02T06:45:41 for example compilation in Delphi is super fast because everything is already loaded and parsed 2012-10-02T06:45:57 you basically click run and the program launches 2012-10-02T06:46:25 it takes a lot of code to make it take a few seconds from a full rebuild 2012-10-02T06:46:34 well, in CL you work on functions, load them up when youre done, and just run them 2012-10-02T06:46:41 no mass compilation/linking 2012-10-02T06:47:22 in haskell, working in ghci, you can load up individual modules 2012-10-02T06:47:25 Eclipse has a background compiler, which also does the job 2012-10-02T06:47:40 similary, you dont have to link and exe, just load up the module youre working with 2012-10-02T06:47:49 either byte compiled, or fully 2012-10-02T06:48:25 the real problem is 'make' 2012-10-02T06:48:45 probably someone needs to go back in time and kill the creator of make 2012-10-02T06:48:54 yeah make has a few shortcomings 2012-10-02T06:49:05 and bad ones if i may add 2012-10-02T06:49:11 its a stupid idea to call the compiler for every file 2012-10-02T06:49:21 mcstar: you don't have to 2012-10-02T06:49:33 you can just append them all to one compiler call 2012-10-02T06:49:53 but then again you have to recompile the whole program each time :p 2012-10-02T06:49:57 but the compiler doesnt keep itself track of changes 2012-10-02T06:50:21 they didnt think they would need to, since there was make, that would call the compiler as necessary 2012-10-02T06:50:48 a lot more thought could have gone into writing a nice compilation framework 2012-10-02T06:50:59 rather, they were content with make and alike 2012-10-02T06:51:04 oh and change tracking isn't as easy as it seems either. when i use a template from tmpl.d and use it in use.d, and then tmpl.d gets changed. *bang* 2012-10-02T06:51:11 use.d isn't recompiled with the new template 2012-10-02T06:51:50 make and autoconf and m4 and whatnot 2012-10-02T06:52:47 also since make uses command-line tools as helpers, it is very unix specific 2012-10-02T06:52:52 m4 is a macro processor 2012-10-02T06:52:54 not a build tool 2012-10-02T06:53:06 how so? 2012-10-02T06:53:11 didn't know that ^^, but I see it in a lot of builds 2012-10-02T06:53:14 MS has these too 2012-10-02T06:53:16 name 2012-10-02T06:53:18 nmake 2012-10-02T06:53:40 and they have a separate linker 2012-10-02T06:53:40 when you write a make file on Linux with those command-line helpers like grep, it doesn't work on Windows 2012-10-02T06:53:42 and compiler 2012-10-02T06:53:49 very 'unixy' 2012-10-02T06:54:03 oh 2012-10-02T06:54:11 yeah, you shouldnt do that 2012-10-02T06:54:25 also some of the syntax for the command line is different between e.g. sh and cmd 2012-10-02T06:54:28 probably you want autoconf :) 2012-10-02T07:00:29 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2012-10-02T07:13:18 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T07:30:05 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T07:40:43 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-10-02T07:45:26 *** Anilm3 has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T07:53:53 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T07:57:03 *** raedwulf has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-10-02T07:57:34 *** raedwulf has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T07:57:40 *** Anilm3 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-10-02T07:58:35 *** raedwulf has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-10-02T07:59:33 *** raedwulf has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T08:45:19 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Quit: UncleVasya) 2012-10-02T08:54:09 *** iouri has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T09:07:43 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-10-02T09:22:04 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T09:37:39 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T10:09:01 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T10:16:52 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2012-10-02T10:29:24 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-10-02T10:41:55 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-10-02T11:05:06 *** SJRvanSchaik has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-10-02T11:05:17 *** SJRvanSchaik has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T11:06:06 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-10-02T11:06:16 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T11:16:19 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-10-02T11:25:56 *** smjm has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-10-02T11:26:04 *** smjm has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T11:26:36 *** smjm has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-10-02T11:29:23 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T11:30:27 *** mlp has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-10-02T11:39:28 thestinger: 2012-10-02T11:39:49 o/ 2012-10-02T11:39:51 \o 2012-10-02T11:39:57 o/ 2012-10-02T11:40:01 \o 2012-10-02T11:40:03 o/ 2012-10-02T11:40:05 \o 2012-10-02T11:40:07 o/ 2012-10-02T11:40:09 hm 2012-10-02T11:41:49 *** Keebler_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T11:41:58 O_O 2012-10-02T11:43:47 *** Keebler_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-10-02T11:43:58 looks like this toy where a ball rolls down several ramps 2012-10-02T11:44:00 *** smjm has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T11:44:00 *** smjm has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T11:44:22 its a swimmer 2012-10-02T11:44:39 oh, yes i saw that 2012-10-02T11:45:02 ~~~^~~~ <- it's a shark 2012-10-02T11:45:35 ok, cheating now... 2012-10-02T11:45:48 ☃ <- it's a snowman 2012-10-02T11:46:22 mleise: im debugging some unicode issues 2012-10-02T11:46:28 i see a ? 2012-10-02T11:46:51 which client do you use? 2012-10-02T11:47:37 *** knyppeld1nan has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T11:48:22 as for fonts, the system sets up a fallback font, if the used font doesn't contain a certain symbol. which is likely for snowmen 2012-10-02T11:48:48 can you send unicode? 2012-10-02T11:50:54 idk 2012-10-02T11:52:52 you could try it and i tell you what i see 2012-10-02T11:53:44 Ő <- see that? 2012-10-02T11:54:08 ? 2012-10-02T11:57:33 i guess that means no, but it is in the hungarian alphabet, an O with some marks 2012-10-02T11:57:47 mleise: it means i see a ? 2012-10-02T11:58:14 mleise: otherwise, my console and everything works 2012-10-02T11:58:31 you chat in a terminal? 2012-10-02T11:58:47 yeah ofc 2012-10-02T11:59:59 what does "env | grep -i utf" return? 2012-10-02T12:00:21 mleise: its a weechat problem 2012-10-02T12:00:25 very possibly 2012-10-02T12:00:33 hang on, i think i can solve it 2012-10-02T12:02:40 *** coud4 has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T12:03:36 mcstar: output of `locale' and `locale -a' 2012-10-02T12:05:03 is weechat still using charsets? 2012-10-02T12:05:34 thestinger: thats allright 2012-10-02T12:05:39 my LANG is not set 2012-10-02T12:05:47 theres no /etc/locale.conf 2012-10-02T12:06:01 fuck 2012-10-02T12:06:04 mcstar: well set LANG in there 2012-10-02T12:06:09 a lightning struck near 2012-10-02T12:06:11 and make sure it's readable by your user 2012-10-02T12:06:24 mleise: weechat only has the limitations that ncurses does 2012-10-02T12:06:31 other than that, it has no flaws when it comes to unicode 2012-10-02T12:06:36 ncurses is pretty flawed though 2012-10-02T12:06:51 thestinger: arch wiki says theres an /etc/locale.conf, but there isnt 2012-10-02T12:06:57 mcstar: you have to make it 2012-10-02T12:07:03 no 2012-10-02T12:07:05 i have ot 2012-10-02T12:07:10 i see it now 2012-10-02T12:07:21 it's the pam env file syntax 2012-10-02T12:07:51 it gets run by the login shell via /etc/profile.d/locale.sh 2012-10-02T12:07:56 systemd also reads it separately 2012-10-02T12:08:13 *** mleise2 has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T12:08:25 the only reason arch needs locale.sh is because the VTs turn off LANG since they don't support unicode 2012-10-02T12:08:26 hi 2012-10-02T12:08:32 hi clone 2012-10-02T12:08:38 i'm in weechat 2012-10-02T12:08:40 cool 2012-10-02T12:08:42 \o 2012-10-02T12:09:03 can you use unicode from there mleise2? 2012-10-02T12:09:09 let's see 2012-10-02T12:09:13 ÄÖÜ 2012-10-02T12:09:16 ??? 2012-10-02T12:09:18 yes it works! 2012-10-02T12:09:22 no it doesnt 2012-10-02T12:09:24 XD 2012-10-02T12:09:24 mleise2: ncurses doesn't support combining characters 2012-10-02T12:09:25 not for you 2012-10-02T12:09:30 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2012-10-02T12:09:38 mleise: and it also doesn't support unicode6 - so a pile of poo might not work 2012-10-02T12:09:41 thestinger: but what will read my /etc/locale.conf ? 2012-10-02T12:09:46 i dont see any hooks in profile 2012-10-02T12:09:47 mcstar: your login shell 2012-10-02T12:09:50 I use weechat-curses 2012-10-02T12:09:55 mcstar: etc/profile.d/locale.sh 2012-10-02T12:09:57 isn't that ncurses then? 2012-10-02T12:09:59 mcstar: reinstall filesystem package 2012-10-02T12:10:11 mleise: yes 2012-10-02T12:10:11 thestinger: i dont have locale.sh :) 2012-10-02T12:10:22 mleise: so it supports UCS4 (but not what unicode6 added) 2012-10-02T12:10:23 ☎ 2012-10-02T12:10:25 but not actual unicode 2012-10-02T12:10:41 for example, no combining char + grapheme support 2012-10-02T12:10:41 I can even see that telephone, what is missing? 2012-10-02T12:10:45 ah i see 2012-10-02T12:10:49 it's not actually unicode 2012-10-02T12:10:51 it's ucs4 2012-10-02T12:10:56 thestinger: how could this have hapened? 2012-10-02T12:11:06 mcstar: stupid broken install script from initscripts 2012-10-02T12:11:08 removed locale,sh 2012-10-02T12:11:17 so pacman installed filesystem (sorts before initscripts) 2012-10-02T12:11:26 lets see 2012-10-02T12:11:31 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2012-10-02T12:11:31 then both initscripts and filesystem owned locale.sh (usually pacman will handle that situation properly - if the file exists) 2012-10-02T12:11:49 and then it upgrades initscripts next, which removes locale.sh again 2012-10-02T12:12:08 hmm, weechat isn't any worse than pidgin. the color scheme is different, but otherwise I don't miss anything 2012-10-02T12:12:10 it's kinda a flaw in pacman (handles conflicts via what exists in fs, not what packages own) 2012-10-02T12:12:34 mleise2: the one thing I don't like about weechat-curses is that you have to choose between nick alignment and sanely selectable text 2012-10-02T12:12:35 mleise2: aw come on. use a proper gtk application on gnome instead of that virtual terminal crap 2012-10-02T12:12:47 but there is weechat-gtk planned :P 2012-10-02T12:13:36 yes, selecting multiple lines is a pita here 2012-10-02T12:14:07 but i have a buffer of the last messages i sent. i guess that is a spam feature! 2012-10-02T12:14:09 but i have a buffer of the last messages i sent. i guess that is a spam feature! 2012-10-02T12:14:33 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-02T12:14:49 mleise2: utf8 away! 2012-10-02T12:14:55 ☎ 2012-10-02T12:14:57 yay 2012-10-02T12:14:59 telephone 2012-10-02T12:15:00 <- telephone ? 2012-10-02T12:15:03 great :) 2012-10-02T12:15:22 ☪ 2012-10-02T12:15:42 ☢ 2012-10-02T12:16:11 ⛃ <- for board games. super important to have in unicode 2012-10-02T12:16:23 only beaten by the snowman 2012-10-02T12:16:31 idk what that is 2012-10-02T12:16:38 bunch of pancakes? 2012-10-02T12:16:55 hehe, no a stack of ... how do you say that 2012-10-02T12:17:12 these disks you use to play certain games 2012-10-02T12:17:17 like backgammon 2012-10-02T12:17:19 CD? 2012-10-02T12:17:41 ⛀⛁⛂⛃ 2012-10-02T12:17:49 💩 2012-10-02T12:17:51 im hungry 2012-10-02T12:18:02 want pancakes 2012-10-02T12:18:08 no i wont make a joke about your nationality now 2012-10-02T12:18:15 whose? 2012-10-02T12:18:22 ah 2012-10-02T12:18:24 hungry 2012-10-02T12:18:29