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If so, what game(s) might you like to see there? http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3634 2012-10-31T05:09:00 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T05:34:56 *** mlp has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T05:52:59 smiley1983: i don't have time, but tron! 2012-10-31T05:54:46 antimatroidl: yes, that's the one I'm most keen on right now, but in theory I should work on other things 2012-10-31T05:55:36 If there were enough server activity to justify keeping it running, though, I could just work on writing a bot slowly, whenever a new idea occurred 2012-10-31T05:57:28 Anyone know where to get the original documentation for Tron? The "past contests" link on aichallenge.org tells me "Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server" 2012-10-31T05:58:07 not sure 2012-10-31T05:58:12 i'd suggest rewriting it anyway 2012-10-31T05:58:19 the io format was ridiculous 2012-10-31T05:58:29 it gave an ascii version of the map each turn 2012-10-31T05:58:36 rather than just the previous turns of each bot 2012-10-31T05:59:01 Okay, that's good to know. I thought it might be better to make it compatible with original bots, but a more efficient format is desirable for TCP. 2012-10-31T05:59:18 i think it'd better if people have to at least revise old bots anyway 2012-10-31T05:59:34 otherwise people can just nab a1k0n's bot and upload it unmodified 2012-10-31T05:59:36 at least they'd have to fix up the io to do that 2012-10-31T05:59:48 well, run it unmodified 2012-10-31T05:59:55 yes, that's a good point 2012-10-31T05:59:55 it'd be* 2012-10-31T06:00:10 better maps need to be made for tron too 2012-10-31T06:00:27 i'd suggest playing on the surface of a torus like ants too 2012-10-31T06:00:51 makes older bots even harder to recycle then 2012-10-31T06:01:06 and n-player 2012-10-31T06:01:08 maybe 2012-10-31T06:01:12 Yes, that's how the game I remember playing worked. :) 2012-10-31T06:01:17 though i suspect it works best as 2player 2012-10-31T06:01:38 actually, i'd personally say keep it as 2 player 2012-10-31T06:01:41 n-player is debateable for fairness, but there would be no harm in running a 2-player and an n-player server 2012-10-31T06:01:50 game trees are fun to play around with with tron 2012-10-31T06:01:53 see which one people like 2012-10-31T06:02:31 I think that if it took off, the TCP server system would be great for collaborative development of contests 2012-10-31T06:02:31 if you could get that going you'd slowly get some people working on it i think 2012-10-31T06:02:41 that could spark interest 2012-10-31T06:02:42 yep 2012-10-31T06:03:05 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T06:03:10 i'm marking exams and trying to get some research done now classes are over 2012-10-31T06:03:13 so i'm pretty busy 2012-10-31T06:04:25 If I remember correcrtly, you would have finished your PhD some time ago now? 2012-10-31T06:04:55 Or did I get that completely wrong? 2012-10-31T06:11:16 completely wrong :P 2012-10-31T06:11:30 started phd in january 2012-10-31T06:11:58 i'm only 24, did a 4 year combined undergrad straight out of year 12 then honours straight after that last year 2012-10-31T06:12:23 Oops, sorry. It occurred to me after I said that, that you might have been just starting, not finishing 2012-10-31T06:12:39 I had an idea it was one of the two :) 2012-10-31T06:13:02 Quite some difference from your perspective, I'm guessing. 2012-10-31T06:16:57 I like the RoShamBo game idea with multiple opponents, just because it would be interesting to see what happened. 2012-10-31T06:18:41 *** mlp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-10-31T06:21:34 you mean multi player rock paper scissors? 2012-10-31T06:21:39 it's a pita cause of draws 2012-10-31T06:22:06 that's my personal experience when playing multiplayer skate (order of who goes first is decided with rock paper scissors) 2012-10-31T06:24:49 i made the "it would be perfect if" comment, so i claim intellectual rights to that part if it does 2012-10-31T06:24:58 whoops, that was for facebook :P 2012-10-31T06:26:18 The game proposal Dimkadimon put up simply used (score = people beaten - people who beat you) 2012-10-31T06:26:38 With sequential games with the same opponents, that could be very interesting 2012-10-31T06:28:04 rounds, probably is more accurate than games 2012-10-31T06:33:31 that could be interesting 2012-10-31T06:33:49 i wonder if scoring could be made more interesting than that 2012-10-31T06:34:38 you could increase the number of moves each player has too 2012-10-31T06:34:42 ie. generalise the game 2012-10-31T06:35:01 does it generalise to all possible numbers of moves? 2012-10-31T06:35:13 there's the rock, paper, scissors, lizard spock from bbt 2012-10-31T06:35:40 I don't quite follow... 2012-10-31T06:36:03 oh, now I think I do 2012-10-31T06:36:12 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock 2012-10-31T06:37:02 I'm sure it would work 2012-10-31T06:37:31 Three-move and five-move variants could be run concurrently 2012-10-31T06:38:05 i was thinking more like n-move variants are run for either an unknown or pre-specified number of turns 2012-10-31T06:38:15 there's that too 2012-10-31T06:38:38 do bots know how many games are remaining? or is there a known probability that the game will end on the given iteration? 2012-10-31T06:39:17 i wonder how symmetric the n-player games are 2012-10-31T06:39:50 ie. does it matter if you know which player is which between iterations, or that they're just the same set of opponenets 2012-10-31T06:39:50 and if it matters, will we guarantee that or mix up the opponents each turn 2012-10-31T06:40:33 if it's not fully symmetric then it's not fully fair 2012-10-31T06:40:33 i think it would be though 2012-10-31T06:40:33 because of the scoring system 2012-10-31T06:40:55 I think it makes a big difference to the bot, if it can't track individual players from turn to turn 2012-10-31T06:41:13 you're right 2012-10-31T06:41:25 even if it's fully symmetric that info is vital 2012-10-31T06:41:40 so what about knowing how many iterations are left? 2012-10-31T06:41:48 is it probabilistic or known? 2012-10-31T06:42:04 we could set that up for iterated normal form games 2012-10-31T06:42:12 as this is just an obvious example of that 2012-10-31T06:42:33 I would probably test it with known iterations, and change it if there seemed to be problems 2012-10-31T06:42:35 which gives people a lot of literature to go and play around with 2012-10-31T06:44:30 also tcp servers are not going to promote sharing :P 2012-10-31T06:44:43 depending on how competitive people are 2012-10-31T06:45:11 I also want to play an AI Asteroids RTS game where the smallest pieces of asteroids can be collected and built into new ships and programmable missiles 2012-10-31T06:46:19 I think at first people will hide their code, then some strong-ish people will decide it's time to release, there will be arguments, and then everyone will get stronger. :) 2012-10-31T06:47:17 Servers can be dedicated to new, weaker and intermediate programs. 2012-10-31T06:49:25 Noting that you can run many TCP servers out of one virtual host 2012-10-31T07:04:20 *** contestbot has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T07:04:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o contestbot 2012-10-31T07:05:17 *** FireFly has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-10-31T07:12:54 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T07:14:00 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-10-31T07:14:26 *** pairofdice has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T07:28:15 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T08:00:22 *** mlp has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T08:33:22 *** Areks has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-10-31T08:33:46 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T08:36:28 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-10-31T08:37:34 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T08:49:39 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2012-10-31T09:18:18 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T10:22:25 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-10-31T10:24:27 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T10:40:51 *** dici has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T10:47:13 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2012-10-31T10:59:57 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T11:03:30 UncleVasya: Hi! 2012-10-31T11:04:02 smiley1983: Hi Smiley! I'm glad to see you. 2012-10-31T11:04:36 Have you seen my little card game? :) 2012-10-31T11:05:01 Yes, likewise. I'm guessing you've heard that the organizers have disbanded. 2012-10-31T11:05:11 I have not seen your card game - is it on github? 2012-10-31T11:05:51 Ah, yes, I see it now 2012-10-31T11:06:26 smiley1983: yes, on git. need huge refactoring, but now I'm working with a friend on android app so I'll refactor it later. 2012-10-31T11:07:06 Do you find Android okay to work with? 2012-10-31T11:08:37 I just got your game to compile (same command works on Linux as on Windows) 2012-10-31T11:09:06 smiley1983: Now it's too early to say. I even didn't read much about Android or anything about Java. Friend gave me sources and asked to write few simple functions. 2012-10-31T11:09:30 So I just watching his syntax and write the same way. 2012-10-31T11:10:29 It's on github too. If you'll be interested I'll tell impressions later when face Android part of development. 2012-10-31T11:12:32 smiley1983: github.com/InsaneMalkavian/SpeedLogger 2012-10-31T11:12:44 I did a bit of investigating a while ago and didn't like it much. It's okay, but I didn't relish the idea of building anything big using it. 2012-10-31T11:12:59 That's Android I'm talking about, not your link above :) 2012-10-31T11:15:16 I posted something on the aichallenge forum, about the possibility of running TCP servers to keep the contest alive: http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3634 2012-10-31T11:19:21 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-10-31T11:19:28 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T11:24:09 UncleVasya: I played your card game. :) 2012-10-31T11:25:05 Is it supposed to be possible to claim that the cards are of a different rank from the previous player's? 2012-10-31T11:30:31 smiley1983: when someone take cards, new round with new claim begins. 2012-10-31T11:30:39 *takes 2012-10-31T11:32:08 smiley1983: in few words, your objective is to throw away your aces. and not to take them. 2012-10-31T11:32:34 when you get 4 cards of same rank, they dissapear. Except Aces. 2012-10-31T11:32:46 That's why you need to throw them away. 2012-10-31T11:33:13 When game ends, only aces are there. 2012-10-31T11:34:25 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T11:34:26 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-10-31T11:35:03 amstan: hi, how's your rps bot did? 2012-10-31T11:35:18 i havent worked on it since 2012-10-31T11:36:49 amstan: http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3634 2012-10-31T11:46:50 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-10-31T11:57:34 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-10-31T11:59:53 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T12:09:07 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2012-10-31T12:09:24 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T12:11:47 smiley1983: I remember you had some web-project with your friend. Is it still active? 2012-10-31T12:35:47 UncleVasya: not really. It would be active if I wanted to work on it, but right now I don't. I've been working a bit on a related hardware project, though. 2012-10-31T12:36:09 Still haven't gotten the key hardware functionality working yet, though 2012-10-31T12:41:54 smiley1983: is there a place where I can learn more about it? 2012-10-31T12:47:06 *** mlp has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-10-31T12:47:18 It's all connected to my friend's business, called "Sydney Sabre" - searching for that will show the business, but not the projects 2012-10-31T12:47:50 One of the web projects is a ranking server, much like we have for AI challenge 2012-10-31T13:05:34 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T13:13:28 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2012-10-31T14:03:50 *** loglog has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-10-31T14:04:08 *** loglog has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T14:04:36 *** loglog has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T14:04:37 *** awly has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T14:11:04 *** loglog has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-10-31T14:11:19 *** loglog has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T14:14:31 *** mviel has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-10-31T14:19:23 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T14:26:13 *** jacob_strauss has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T14:40:38 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-10-31T14:48:12 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9) 2012-10-31T14:48:30 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T15:00:15 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T15:02:01 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T15:22:07 *** jacob_strauss has quit IRC (Quit: jacob_strauss) 2012-10-31T15:34:26 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-10-31T15:46:11 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Quit: UncleVasya) 2012-10-31T16:26:28 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T16:26:34 someone said android app? 2012-10-31T16:28:30 oh, i just missed uv 2012-10-31T16:28:48 i have to write an ios/android app 2012-10-31T16:28:56 well, android first 2012-10-31T16:29:01 and only if i want to... 2012-10-31T16:29:10 im not sure i want to 2012-10-31T16:29:27 i think id have to use java :S 2012-10-31T16:29:29 you can write it in clojure, it will just be slow as fuck 2012-10-31T16:29:42 mcstar: well you can actually use scala, and just strip it down with proguard :P 2012-10-31T16:29:53 that doesnt really help 2012-10-31T16:29:56 scala is complex 2012-10-31T16:30:03 clojure, i can deal with 2012-10-31T16:30:13 it will be slow though, dalvik sucks :P 2012-10-31T16:30:19 well maybe not on modern phones 2012-10-31T16:30:19 but id just stick to java, if qt+c++ is not viable 2012-10-31T16:30:27 nope no qt :P 2012-10-31T16:30:30 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-10-31T16:30:31 why? 2012-10-31T16:30:34 it does work 2012-10-31T16:31:00 mcstar: but the sdk apis are all java 2012-10-31T16:31:06 how will you write an app fully in C++? 2012-10-31T16:31:07 anyway, it is not a compute or graphics intensice app 2012-10-31T16:31:18 android-ndk doesn't cover everything 2012-10-31T16:31:24 thestinger: the binary is wrapped in a java loader 2012-10-31T16:31:37 android can execute native code 2012-10-31T16:31:42 the libs are written in c 2012-10-31T16:31:55 you just cant use it simply in an app 2012-10-31T16:31:57 mcstar: yes but they want people to write performance-critical stuff with android-ndk, and call it from their regular java app 2012-10-31T16:32:05 i dont really care 2012-10-31T16:32:07 so they don't provide all the APIs to C/C++ 2012-10-31T16:32:09 it is a simple app 2012-10-31T16:32:18 and qt would be more than enough 2012-10-31T16:32:25 use qt then :P 2012-10-31T16:32:34 my would be employer is only worried about qt looking ugly 2012-10-31T16:32:36 or somesuch 2012-10-31T16:32:47 all android applications look ugly :) 2012-10-31T16:32:56 there are shades of ugly 2012-10-31T16:33:20 consolekit is dead \o/ 2012-10-31T16:33:25 long live logind 2012-10-31T16:33:42 the other thing i could write, is a cgi app, that serves data from a postgresql database, and plots it, and puts it into tables, which the user coudl modify 2012-10-31T16:33:50 i can choose between the 2 tasks 2012-10-31T16:34:24 mcstar: http://datatables.net/ :P 2012-10-31T16:34:41 yeah, i was thinking of jquery 2012-10-31T16:34:50 i was thinking of using haskell too 2012-10-31T16:34:52 dunno if datatables can edit though 2012-10-31T16:34:53 yesod maybe 2012-10-31T16:35:02 elm! 2012-10-31T16:35:12 what? 2012-10-31T16:35:16 elm street? 2012-10-31T16:36:03 i installed an arch system today, to my workstation 2012-10-31T16:36:07 on* 2012-10-31T16:36:07 mcstar: http://elm-lang.org/ 2012-10-31T16:36:37 I thought about making a silly game with elm 2012-10-31T16:36:38 thanks, but no thanks 2012-10-31T16:37:00 i dont want to over-exercise my non-existent webdev muscles 2012-10-31T16:37:49 mcstar: http://elm-lang.org/edit/examples/Intermediate/Stamps.elm but it's so cool :[ 2012-10-31T16:38:53 but whats the problem with plain haskell? 2012-10-31T16:38:59 mcstar: doesn't run in a browser? :P 2012-10-31T16:39:05 this does? 2012-10-31T16:39:08 yes 2012-10-31T16:39:11 look at the example 2012-10-31T16:39:12 oh 2012-10-31T16:39:16 you can modify it and recompile 2012-10-31T16:39:24 is it compiled to js? 2012-10-31T16:40:03 yes 2012-10-31T16:40:48 dunno how mature it is though 2012-10-31T16:41:24 mcstar: the elm site is elm served from haskell+yesod 2012-10-31T16:41:25 there is a haskell to js compiler 2012-10-31T16:41:49 anyway, i plan to wire together ready made stuff 2012-10-31T16:42:00 otherwise, i could be writing this app for a year 2012-10-31T16:42:57 thestinger: first i have to choose between the two 2012-10-31T16:43:16 i shouldnt take on 2 jobs, and write my thesis too 2012-10-31T16:43:23 if you have to write an android and iOS application, you'll have to write two 2012-10-31T16:43:33 i count it as 1 2012-10-31T16:43:41 and the android is the first id have to do 2012-10-31T16:44:03 it is a little app, that communicates with a pc, that communicates with a measuring devide 2012-10-31T16:44:06 device* 2012-10-31T16:44:46 this web stuff seems easier 2012-10-31T16:44:55 but i havent done any of it... 2012-10-31T16:45:51 thestinger: also, i havent ruled out python yet :) 2012-10-31T16:47:19 thestinger: how would you install packages from the arch installer cd? 2012-10-31T16:47:28 on it? 2012-10-31T16:47:30 or from it 2012-10-31T16:47:35 i downloaded that 400MB one, but installed the packages from the net 2012-10-31T16:47:46 mcstar: they're all netinstall now 2012-10-31T16:47:52 no packages included on the ISO to install 2012-10-31T16:48:00 why is it soo big then? 2012-10-31T16:48:50 has elinks, irssi, etc. 2012-10-31T16:48:58 and it's dual arch 2012-10-31T16:49:00 so it's twice as big 2012-10-31T16:49:02 thank god, it has elinks.... 2012-10-31T16:49:16 also comes with an http server for PXE boot 2012-10-31T16:49:29 all installers or rescue compilations should go to hell that dont have elinks 2012-10-31T16:50:00 thats 200MB still 2012-10-31T16:50:07 thats more than core 2012-10-31T16:50:12 I'm trying to get them to include arch-wiki-lite too 2012-10-31T16:50:17 yay 2012-10-31T16:50:21 i second that 2012-10-31T16:50:39 the disk i got, had gpt 2012-10-31T16:50:41 mcstar: https://projects.archlinux.org/archiso.git/tree/configs/releng look at the packages.* files 2012-10-31T16:50:45 it includes all of those + deps 2012-10-31T16:50:50 i couldnt format it for pure mbr 2012-10-31T16:50:54 also the ISO uses zsh + grml now :P 2012-10-31T16:50:57 i have the feeling that it is impossible 2012-10-31T16:51:04 yeah, i noticed 2012-10-31T16:51:20 ctrl+left/right doesn skip words 2012-10-31T16:51:22 annoying 2012-10-31T16:51:27 doesnt* 2012-10-31T16:51:32 silly grml config 2012-10-31T16:51:55 it has random recovery tools now too 2012-10-31T16:52:01 it's actually a really nice iso 2012-10-31T16:52:21 nmap! :P 2012-10-31T16:52:51 i dont see X there 2012-10-31T16:52:57 but it has a graphical.target 2012-10-31T16:53:07 mcstar: just a default target 2012-10-31T16:53:12 oh 2012-10-31T16:54:07 like sound.target 2012-10-31T16:54:21 it's just so you have a way to make things run after sound is up, and say which things can provide sound 2012-10-31T16:54:58 thestinger: so, do you know a way to turn a gpt disk into mbr? 2012-10-31T16:55:14 not without wiping it :) 2012-10-31T16:55:18 yeah sure 2012-10-31T16:55:20 wipe it 2012-10-31T16:55:29 but it didnt work for me 2012-10-31T16:55:38 with gdisk or whatnot 2012-10-31T16:55:41 mcstar: just use cgdisk 2012-10-31T16:55:44 it's cfdisk for gpt 2012-10-31T16:55:55 ive never use cfdisk 2012-10-31T16:55:56 only fdisk 2012-10-31T16:56:00 whats the difference? 2012-10-31T16:56:08 whats the 'c'? 2012-10-31T16:56:25 "One of the best features of gdisk (and sgdisk and cgdisk too) is its ability to convert MBR and BSD disklabels to GPT without data loss. Upon conversion, all the MBR primary partitions and the logical partitions become GPT partitions with the correct partition type GUIDs and Unique partition GUIDs created for each partition. " 2012-10-31T16:56:30 mcstar: console 2012-10-31T16:56:37 since they're kinda a gooey 2012-10-31T16:56:51 thestinger: youve got it backwards 2012-10-31T16:57:01 i know it can convert mbr to gpt without data loss 2012-10-31T16:57:04 i want the opposite 2012-10-31T16:57:09 oh! :P 2012-10-31T16:57:16 don't think you can 2012-10-31T16:57:22 but i think ive dont it 2012-10-31T16:57:24 done* 2012-10-31T16:57:51 you see, once i used gpt, and later for some reason that i dont remember i reverted to pure mbr 2012-10-31T16:57:55 on my home machine 2012-10-31T16:58:09 now this 2TB drive was in a NAS 2012-10-31T16:58:30 it is possible, that it was GPT'd in the factory 2012-10-31T16:58:40 and maybe thats why this tool cannot revert it 2012-10-31T16:58:42 idk 2012-10-31T16:58:48 mcstar: oh I think it can actually 2012-10-31T16:58:51 hmm 2012-10-31T16:59:14 also, it is not a big problem, i can live with gpt again 2012-10-31T16:59:23 now grub2 is the deafault loader 2012-10-31T16:59:42 mcstar: g 2012-10-31T16:59:53 mcstar: look at man gdisk 2012-10-31T16:59:57 g Convert GPT into MBR and exit. This option converts as many partitions as possible into MBR form, destroys the GPT 2012-10-31T17:00:06 'as many partitions as possible' is scary :P 2012-10-31T17:00:08 thestinger: ive tried that 2012-10-31T17:00:20 not worky 2012-10-31T17:00:25 aww 2012-10-31T17:00:36 well I have no clue then :P 2012-10-31T17:02:35 nvm, im gonna keep it 2012-10-31T17:03:00 i wonder if arch works well on a first gen intel macbook 2012-10-31T17:03:19 maybe it is called macbook mini? 2012-10-31T17:03:31 no 2012-10-31T17:03:44 simply macbook 2012-10-31T17:03:57 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T17:05:33 great, theres a wiki 2012-10-31T17:17:53 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2012-10-31T17:20:06 thestinger: im losing against myself in elm-pong 2012-10-31T17:20:12 heh 2012-10-31T17:20:37 thestinger: well, thanks, it looks interesting, maybe ill use it 2012-10-31T17:20:56 do you know how hard is it to interface with already written js UI code? 2012-10-31T17:21:04 mcstar: nope 2012-10-31T17:21:22 mcstar: it has a javascript "FFI" 2012-10-31T17:21:27 dunno how nice it is 2012-10-31T17:23:01 heh, ffi 2012-10-31T17:23:26 I just looked at it after seeing it somewhere, haven't used it yet 2012-10-31T17:23:33 dunno where I find these things 2012-10-31T17:23:47 reddit maybe? might have been in r/haskell 2012-10-31T17:24:13 I try to avoid writing any kind of UI 2012-10-31T17:24:51 thestinger: but you dont succeed in it 2012-10-31T17:25:03 your terminal interface *is* a UI 2012-10-31T17:25:04 :P 2012-10-31T17:25:16 mcstar: yeah but I didn't write most of it, gnome devs did :) 2012-10-31T17:25:37 i thought those lots of shortcuts and modes were your additions 2012-10-31T17:25:42 yeah 2012-10-31T17:25:47 and url hint mode 2012-10-31T17:25:48 well, thats UI 2012-10-31T17:26:10 horrible glib 2012-10-31T17:26:12 makes me want to cry 2012-10-31T17:26:20 can't pass lambdas as the glib callbacks 2012-10-31T17:27:16 thestinger: turns out, i would have reached elm on my own... 2012-10-31T17:27:36 heh 2012-10-31T17:27:39 i had a blog post from yesterday in my browser that i wanted to read 2012-10-31T17:27:43 and it mentions elm 2012-10-31T17:27:58 http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2012/10/yesod-fay-js 2012-10-31T17:29:25 also, i just noticed this, because someone linke it to me, just now, on #haskell, when i mentioned elm XD 2012-10-31T17:29:46 it is entirely possible, that would have missed it, while reading that blog post 2012-10-31T17:29:52 that I* 2012-10-31T17:32:02 so I have almost all of gnome and kde installed now 2012-10-31T17:32:05 oh well 2012-10-31T17:32:20 why oh why? 2012-10-31T17:32:21 well not really 'all' 2012-10-31T17:32:24 but the base libraries 2012-10-31T17:32:27 kde for kcachegrind 2012-10-31T17:32:31 gnome for gstreamer and friends 2012-10-31T17:32:39 sad 2012-10-31T17:32:41 since firefox can use gstreamer for audio/video now 2012-10-31T17:32:45 stupid dependencies 2012-10-31T17:32:59 firefox is pretty fast these days 2012-10-31T17:33:12 mcstar: http://ompldr.org/vZzNqbA http://ompldr.org/vZzNqbQ with and without dep compression 2012-10-31T17:33:12 also, im a retard, so i use all 3 2012-10-31T17:33:15 so much delicious bloat 2012-10-31T17:33:17 chromium, firefox, and opera 2012-10-31T17:33:45 I just use firefox with vimperator :P 2012-10-31T17:33:54 now and then I try dwb to see how work is going on it 2012-10-31T17:34:10 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2012-10-31T17:34:25 opera has a nice , what do you call it? quickdial? 2012-10-31T17:34:47 yeah 2012-10-31T17:34:50 firefox has a plugin, that lets me turn on proxy easily 2012-10-31T17:34:56