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But still there is almost no chance for me to do it until holidays in January. 2012-11-02T09:08:34 Oh yes, of course. 2012-11-02T09:30:41 pw engine is on python too 2012-11-02T09:31:09 in fact, there were three versions: c++, java, python 2012-11-02T10:01:51 Right: I remember that last I looked, I thought it needed rewriting, but it may be that the old one can be adapted 2012-11-02T10:48:54 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-11-02T10:52:01 *** Wren[Jobbmacen] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T10:56:24 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-11-02T11:01:45 *** Wren[Jobbmacen] has quit IRC (Quit: Wren[Jobbmacen]) 2012-11-02T11:16:08 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T11:18:52 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T11:31:12 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T11:53:41 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-11-02T11:56:16 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-11-02T11:56:49 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T12:00:48 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2012-11-02T12:01:38 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T12:02:15 *** Wren[Jobbmacen] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T12:10:33 is it on github? 2012-11-02T12:10:40 mcstar: IM told me he examined the app of these guys and we can do better. 2012-11-02T12:10:50 ramn[]: PW engine? 2012-11-02T12:10:59 ye 2012-11-02T12:11:03 yes 2012-11-02T12:11:29 you can get aichallenge repo on find it in history. 2012-11-02T12:11:33 UncleVasya: great, roll up your sleeves, and make money then! 2012-11-02T12:11:38 *and 2012-11-02T12:12:24 mcstar: i think this is too simple app to get money from :) 2012-11-02T12:12:47 are you going to give it away for free? 2012-11-02T12:13:16 you are talking to me like i'm the app developer, but i'm not 2012-11-02T12:13:18 surely, someone who has a car, a gps enabled tablet or phone, can afford a couple dollars 2012-11-02T12:13:49 i'm just give a little help to friend's open source project, that's all 2012-11-02T12:13:53 UncleVasya: i thought you were, partly 2012-11-02T12:15:31 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2012-11-02T12:16:04 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T12:18:10 ramn[]: I'm gonna post a screenshot of git commits history to help you find the needed file. 2012-11-02T12:18:29 UncleVasya: ah no need to bother 2012-11-02T12:18:40 I was just curious :) 2012-11-02T12:18:45 ramn[]: already done :) 2012-11-02T12:18:58 ok :) 2012-11-02T12:19:10 ramn[]: http://i46.fastpic.ru/big/2012/1102/01/f3b26a1cc2e65aabd9beb15282a18001.png 2012-11-02T12:19:29 *** mlp has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T12:19:30 This is the most recent commit for PW. 2012-11-02T12:19:49 omg you use windows!! 2012-11-02T12:20:07 shame on me :D 2012-11-02T12:20:24 I must immediately convince you to convert to linux 2012-11-02T12:21:08 ramn[]: you shouldnt bother 2012-11-02T12:21:13 (no argument needed) 2012-11-02T12:21:17 mcstar: haha ok why that 2012-11-02T12:21:28 he hasnt converted in a year, everyone else here uses linux... 2012-11-02T12:21:34 ramn[]: I already convinced a years ago. But currently have no choise :) 2012-11-02T12:22:26 thestinger: are you there? 2012-11-02T12:22:31 yes 2012-11-02T12:22:38 ill query you 2012-11-02T12:22:55 good that you are convinced :) 2012-11-02T12:23:01 And I understand that most things I work with are easier to be worked with on Linux :) 2012-11-02T12:23:09 yea, 2012-11-02T12:23:13 whats keeping you on windows? 2012-11-02T12:23:20 some game? 2012-11-02T12:23:27 lazyness :D 2012-11-02T12:23:57 haha ok 2012-11-02T12:24:03 do you have system resources to run a virtual machine? 2012-11-02T12:24:13 no, games can be launched on wine/VM I think 2012-11-02T12:25:01 what I mean is, you could run linux in the virtual machine if laziness prevents you from making the necessary backups and installing :) 2012-11-02T12:25:24 even though running a linux guest on a windows host seems kind of backwards :) 2012-11-02T12:27:48 earlier my main argument was 'with 20 mb per day of internet traffic I have nothing to do on Linux'. And some linux guys in IRL say it is truth. 2012-11-02T12:28:12 Ah. Yes, that makes it difficult 2012-11-02T12:28:27 what do you have to do on win? 2012-11-02T12:28:30 But few months ago my tarrif plan changed to 1500 mb / month so I think I can try. 2012-11-02T12:28:45 Keeping the system up-to-date requires at least a few hundred mb per month 2012-11-02T12:28:48 ramn[]: nothing important 2012-11-02T12:29:15 lazyness goes to changing my... forget the word. 2012-11-02T12:29:53 Debian stable will probably give you the smallest monthly download for security updates 2012-11-02T12:30:01 * UncleVasya opens google translate 2012-11-02T12:30:43 Habit 2012-11-02T12:31:05 As long as you do a minimal install and then install a minimal desktop on top, rather than letting it install whatever it thinks you might need 2012-11-02T12:31:08 changing my habits would be difficult I think 2012-11-02T12:31:26 smiley1983: I picked Slackware :) 2012-11-02T12:31:47 And even have a distro on my PC waiting for its time. 2012-11-02T12:32:03 I began with Slackware many years ago, and still have a high opinion of it 2012-11-02T12:32:27 It's one of the distributions with the right sort of philosophy for programmer-users 2012-11-02T12:32:37 But I don't want to install on VM, that's not a true way. I'd rather install Linux and put Windows into VM if needed. 2012-11-02T12:33:10 I think we can get back to it in January too :D 2012-11-02T12:33:27 yes, absolutely. VM is okay when necessary, but it's a pain compared with the real thing 2012-11-02T12:33:56 But if there is a way of converting windows system into VM image file, I think I can try to migrate on next weekend 2012-11-02T12:34:44 I haven't had much luck with transferring existing windows installs into virtual machines; they tend to complain 2012-11-02T12:35:24 however, if you have an installation medium and key, you can install inside the VM easily enough 2012-11-02T12:36:59 It's not like I need Win for something or something prevents me from Linux. I just have a working configured win and no reason to migrate _now_. Stuff that is easier on Linux and I need I need not now, will need it in the future. oh, got, I must stop talking before you stoped to understand me :D 2012-11-02T12:37:52 *oh, god 2012-11-02T12:37:53 Yes, indeed; no need to break a working system. Thankfully, Windozes tend to break themselves eventually, and then it gives you a good excuse to install Linux :) 2012-11-02T12:41:09 i have ubuntu, win7 winxp in virtualbox 2012-11-02T12:43:35 UncleVasya: i believe, you can buy linux on dvd's 2012-11-02T12:44:19 mcstar: I can go to relatives and download it, they have a good connection. 2012-11-02T12:44:20 http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/12ierv/facebook_friend_of_mine_inspected_an_apartment/c6vd783?context=3 2012-11-02T12:44:53 so problem is not to get something big but to suit its connection needs. 2012-11-02T12:45:18 but this ubuntu thing has long release schedules 2012-11-02T12:45:20 *** pyro- has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T12:45:21 I think to install something you need to download a lot of dependancies 2012-11-02T12:45:26 6 months between releases? 2012-11-02T12:45:49 *** pyro- has left #aichallenge 2012-11-02T12:45:54 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-11-02T12:46:17 antimatroidl: would you stop posting photos of your room on reddit, please? 2012-11-02T12:46:33 ok, best way to get know is to try so I need only a time to play. it is january :) 2012-11-02T12:46:37 *** mlp has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-11-02T12:46:42 mcstar: sorry :P 2012-11-02T12:47:11 mcstar: I give you a right to slap me in Jan with it :) 2012-11-02T12:47:24 UncleVasya: i dont really care if you convert or not 2012-11-02T12:47:24 smiley1983: nice to see nothing's changed in the sleep routine 2012-11-02T12:47:36 UncleVasya: there can be reasons to stick with windows 2012-11-02T12:47:47 and you can always use cygwin and friends 2012-11-02T12:52:39 antimatroidl: lol, yes indeed 2012-11-02T12:53:17 i'm hungry though and everywhere is closed :( 2012-11-02T13:02:00 have you tried the fridge? 2012-11-02T13:02:14 i know its closed, but you just have to pull it a little 2012-11-02T13:02:29 oh, wait 2012-11-02T13:02:29 http://imgur.com/p5CWx : is it some sort of abstract art? 2012-11-02T13:02:32 thats not use 2012-11-02T13:02:41 you only have frozen dildos in you fridge 2012-11-02T13:02:46 ready for action 2012-11-02T13:03:01 not->no 2012-11-02T13:03:07 you->your 2012-11-02T13:04:07 smiley1983: maybe it is a colored nurikabe board? 2012-11-02T13:04:53 I had to look that up 2012-11-02T13:06:57 http://imgur.com/gallery/UHyGN 2012-11-02T13:08:20 as one does 2012-11-02T13:09:08 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T13:10:51 Currently the scoring for n-player multi-agent-per-player tron is: score = (friendly agents alive) + (enemy agents who died on a turn which you began with living agents) 2012-11-02T13:11:33 ls 2012-11-02T13:30:04 *** Morpf has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T13:44:00 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-02T13:45:06 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T13:50:21 i still prefer 1v1 tron 2012-11-02T13:51:09 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-02T13:51:13 *** mviel has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-02T13:53:07 antimatroidl: yes, I think that it's the only one really worth considering - but with careful map construction, n-player could be interesting (to watch, if nothing else) so I've kept the ability to run arbitrary numbers of players 2012-11-02T14:00:38 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T14:00:38 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2012-11-02T14:11:48 *** amstan_ is now known as amstan 2012-11-02T14:30:29 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-02T14:35:53 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T14:36:41 * mleise is resizing partitions and hopes there will be no power outage 2012-11-02T14:39:29 This system rescue live CD I'm running is using a GUI browser called Midori. I've never heard of that before, but it is alright for a minimal system. 2012-11-02T14:42:56 Good luck :) I'm off to sleep now - last commit of the night, Tron seems kind of playable 2012-11-02T14:44:21 smiley1983: what are you working on? 2012-11-02T14:46:39 mleise: he wrote Tron for epsion engine 2012-11-02T14:47:56 UncleVasya: oh I thought the distributed tcp server idea was taking shape 2012-11-02T14:48:16 :) 2012-11-02T14:48:31 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2012-11-02T14:49:26 *** dici has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T14:50:21 mleise: you know us, right? Only talks :D 2012-11-02T14:52:10 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T14:52:10 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-11-02T14:59:51 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9) 2012-11-02T15:14:09 *** zokier has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T15:15:09 http://tron.aichallenge.org/ seems to have some issues, i get 403 forbidden 2012-11-02T15:15:29 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-11-02T15:15:47 zokier: yep, admins know about it. 2012-11-02T15:16:24 I think this thing already lost 2012-11-02T15:33:33 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T15:36:42 *** ramn[mba] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T15:37:39 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-11-02T15:40:58 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T15:53:34 *** ramn[mba] has quit IRC (Quit: ramn[mba]) 2012-11-02T15:59:45 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Quit: UncleVasya) 2012-11-02T15:59:50 *** ramn[mba] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T16:00:21 *** ramn[mba] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T16:03:42 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2012-11-02T16:56:59 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T17:13:21 *** Morpf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-11-02T17:24:29 *** cyphase has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded) 2012-11-02T17:59:22 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-11-02T19:26:57 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T19:51:56 *** dici has quit IRC (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 2012-11-02T20:15:46 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: brb) 2012-11-02T20:18:03 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T20:30:26 *** Scooper has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-11-02T20:35:11 *** SJRvanSchaik has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2012-11-02T20:56:29 *** SJRvanSchaik has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T21:37:33 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-02T21:58:19 *** antimatroidl1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T21:58:23 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2012-11-02T22:16:43 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T22:19:22 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T22:19:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-11-02T22:40:04 *** ramn[mba] has quit IRC (Quit: ramn[mba]) 2012-11-02T22:44:07 *** cyphase has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T22:46:51 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-02T23:24:53 *** antimatroidl1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)