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2012-11-04T08:18:39 I got quite a few timeouts 2012-11-04T08:18:52 and I thought I didnt use more than 1 sec 2012-11-04T08:18:56 The default seems to have been 5 seconds 2012-11-04T08:19:05 ok strange 2012-11-04T08:19:45 Ah, it's normal for bots which have been connected for a while waiting for a game to time out in their first game; subsequent games in a sequence should work fine 2012-11-04T08:19:57 Can also happen when first connecting 2012-11-04T08:20:11 The server seems to ignore those games for ranking purposes 2012-11-04T08:20:38 ramn[mba]: were the timeouts during a game, or on the first turn? 2012-11-04T08:20:48 smiley1983: during game 2012-11-04T08:20:50 late in game 2012-11-04T08:20:54 *** SJRvanSchaik has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-04T08:21:08 smiley1983: http://farm03.photoload.ru/data/06/29/eb/0629eb702142f5e7c9722e8f73e3c722.png?h=LYYlgADsCcQhOd8pP_UF-Q&t=1352038681 :-) 2012-11-04T08:21:16 but it was surely my stuff then 2012-11-04T08:21:26 hm, not sure what it could be then except network strangeness (which is not uncommon) 2012-11-04T08:23:12 UncleVasya: looks like this could be the beginnings of the next incarnation of PlanetWars? 2012-11-04T08:24:34 smiley1983: i hope so :) 2012-11-04T08:35:31 * antimatroidl has stopped with programming again 2012-11-04T08:35:33 i don't have time 2012-11-04T08:35:37 what's confusing me, though, is why the original supported fleets in the map file 2012-11-04T08:36:06 antimatroidl: I'm also realising that I don't really have time to write a bot right now 2012-11-04T08:36:53 i purchased a phone online before, i haven't had one in over 2 years 2012-11-04T08:37:06 discovered the hp veer, i want tiny in a phone 2012-11-04T08:37:12 i don't care about much else 2012-11-04T08:37:24 congratulations on resisting for so long, phones are evil 2012-11-04T08:38:01 I had never had a mobile until about four years ago. They're useful, but I don't like them. 2012-11-04T08:38:03 they can be pretty useful 2012-11-04T08:38:13 i don't like having to carry stuff 2012-11-04T08:38:16 i don't even carry a wallet 2012-11-04T08:38:38 keys? 2012-11-04T08:38:50 carry a single house key, and my office key when going to uni 2012-11-04T08:39:02 i have car keys on a key ring though usually ride anyway 2012-11-04T08:39:15 i don't think it counts for people to say they're without power yet have internet on their phone (and a car charger) 2012-11-04T08:39:24 the internet is what i miss most without power 2012-11-04T08:39:33 also, internet while camping is not camping 2012-11-04T08:39:40 I think once I started carrying a bunch of keys, I became desensitised to the nuisance of carrying things around 2012-11-04T08:39:56 I agree that having internet access means you are not camping 2012-11-04T08:39:59 i used to carry wallet, phone, ipod, keys, ergh 2012-11-04T08:40:33 those flipping wallets are awesome for small size though 2012-11-04T08:40:55 *** SJRvanSchaik has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T08:41:01 until I get a proper linux running on my phone, though, it's just a clock and messaging device 2012-11-04T08:41:33 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T08:41:45 i'm undecided on getting a data plan 2012-11-04T08:41:52 it seems i should be able to get the phone going without it 2012-11-04T08:42:46 but that would involve the company foregoing the opportunity to charge you for services you don't want 2012-11-04T08:42:50 where's the benefit for them? 2012-11-04T08:42:53 though the idea of checking emails etc. kind of sounds nice 2012-11-04T08:43:22 It sounds nice, but for me, I think it's a trap (mostly) 2012-11-04T08:43:26 vodaphone has $10 for 1gb/m which isn't too unbearable 2012-11-04T08:43:30 so do i 2012-11-04T08:43:54 pre paid costs are unbearable if i am to use data 2012-11-04T08:44:56 yes, indeed, I'm on prepaid which is why I have to make sure data is forbidden 2012-11-04T08:45:28 do you get the long life pre paid ones? 2012-11-04T08:45:30 which is difficult when some system settings get changed without notifying me 2012-11-04T08:45:48 yes, 1 year, very expensive to use but I barely use it 2012-11-04T08:45:50 *** smjm has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T08:45:51 *** smjm has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T08:46:00 yeah i think i might do that 2012-11-04T08:46:13 then if i want data i'll do the $10/m 2012-11-04T08:46:47 They made it even more expensive to use recently, though, so even with my relative non-use, it chews up $20 in about two months 2012-11-04T08:47:01 groan 2012-11-04T08:47:11 how many calls do you make? 2012-11-04T08:48:27 probably about 1 call per week of 20 seconds (for which vodafonw will now charge you for 1 minute), plus 2-4 text messages 2012-11-04T08:49:10 hmmm, i hate how pre paid is such a rip 2012-11-04T08:49:37 yes, just think what that data transfer is costing them 2012-11-04T08:50:05 it's like $2/mb for data on pre paid :| 2012-11-04T08:50:12 ridiculous 2012-11-04T08:50:52 lol, that's very funny 2012-11-04T08:51:04 except if you're thinking about paying it 2012-11-04T08:51:08 then it wouldn't be funny at all 2012-11-04T08:51:56 i have no idea how much is used 2012-11-04T08:52:01 http://www.virginmobile.com.au/monthly-mobile-plans/ 2012-11-04T08:53:06 i could just go with the 19 or 29 dollar plans (it's $10/m less to not get a free phone, turns out people are indeed still full of shit when they tell me contracts with free phones are worth it now) but it's still more than i really wanted to spend 2012-11-04T08:53:29 but i could then just go wild (wild for me isn't much still) on the calls 2012-11-04T08:54:46 yes, getting a free phone looks like a good way to pay too much. I'm not going to offer any opinions about which is better, since from my perspective, all the options suck and I don't like the situation at all 2012-11-04T08:55:01 haha yeah 2012-11-04T08:55:20 it's nice someone else is like me 2012-11-04T08:55:27 people think i'm weird with no phone 2012-11-04T08:55:52 there's certainly a lot of social pressure to have one 2012-11-04T08:56:15 girls are less likely to call if you give a landline number 2012-11-04T08:57:09 lol, where would i be meeting girls? :P 2012-11-04T08:57:22 maths department and skatepark are severely lacking there 2012-11-04T08:58:08 ha - I'm sure there are girls in your area, but like me, you choose to frequent the areas which just happen not to have any nearby 2012-11-04T08:58:52 " BYO customers can leave anytime by paying all outstanding charges (billed and unbilled)" 2012-11-04T08:59:18 i'm pretty sure that means that byo customers still can't just least 2012-11-04T08:59:23 but not entirely sure 2012-11-04T08:59:37 it's a bit unclear what they mean, exactly 2012-11-04T09:00:05 i wish i had billions of dollars 2012-11-04T09:00:19 i'd make companies with the goal of being useful, not to get profit 2012-11-04T09:00:40 electronics, clothing, (ethical) food production 2012-11-04T09:00:52 isps, phone companies 2012-11-04T09:01:34 An acquaintance of a friend of mine makes his living by buying companies with ethical standards and charity works, stripping out the ethical standards and charity works, and then selling them at a massive profit 2012-11-04T09:01:43 Sort of the reverse of what you're talking about 2012-11-04T09:02:11 don't hate the player, hate the game 2012-11-04T09:02:13 and that i do :( 2012-11-04T09:03:34 It's wise to recognise that one shouldn't hate the player. It's hard sometimes, but indeed, there's probably more "profit" to be found in thinking impassively about how to change the game 2012-11-04T09:04:16 Change it without making it crash or take a Great Leap Backwards 2012-11-04T09:05:22 yeah, i think one could be profitable with better standards but it'd depend on brand recognition 2012-11-04T09:05:42 atm we're in somewhat of race to the bottom with standards like that 2012-11-04T09:06:15 though Apple is bringing back quality, that's one thing i don't hate about them 2012-11-04T09:06:44 i do hate how restrictive they are though, which their quality doesn't make up for 2012-11-04T09:06:44 Yes, even though I don't buy their products, I'm glad they exist 2012-11-04T09:09:17 I have this fear that now that Steve Jobs is gone, the culture of driving for quality will die, to be replaced by the usual drive to cash in on the good will built by previous managers who believed in things 2012-11-04T09:09:53 i don't think so, surely the other people at apple aren't ignorant that their success comes from the quality of their hardware 2012-11-04T09:10:03 and unfortunately "simple" software 2012-11-04T09:10:15 i like google's idea of simple 2012-11-04T09:10:25 simple at first look but you can tinker under the hood 2012-11-04T09:11:34 yes, that is a good model; failing that I'll take a system which doesn't pretend to be simple at all, rather than one which achieves simplicity by removing options 2012-11-04T09:14:56 yep 2012-11-04T09:22:28 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T09:24:38 I was thinking about tron, and you may be right that 1 agent per player, 2 player games are best 2012-11-04T09:25:21 so once I get around to making a mapgen, I'll run one server with traditional 1v1 games, and a second one with crazy games 2012-11-04T09:26:03 multi-agent may be interesting for MC and UCT bots, but for people wanting to learn about tree searching, one agent is much easier to think about 2012-11-04T09:27:59 smiley1983: i think both are interesting, but as separate games 2012-11-04T09:28:17 yeah, tree searching needs 1v1 2012-11-04T09:28:35 yes, indeed, that is the distinction - they are separate games, and you would take a completely different approach to writing AI for them 2012-11-04T09:28:38 and preferably not too large maps 2012-11-04T09:28:54 what map dimensions were used as the upper limit last time? 2012-11-04T09:29:13 i think 50x50 was claimed, but never really got much above 20x20 if that 2012-11-04T09:29:20 and 1s time limit 2012-11-04T09:29:25 Right :) 2012-11-04T09:29:38 lets marry Tron with Portal 2012-11-04T09:29:52 I don't know anything about Portal 2012-11-04T09:30:01 hl2 mod 2012-11-04T09:30:15 you shoot portals on the walls, and you can travel between them 2012-11-04T09:30:18 there is a tasty tort :D 2012-11-04T09:30:56 *pie 2012-11-04T09:31:08 cake 2012-11-04T09:31:16 tron + portal cake? 2012-11-04T09:31:38 dont give them cake, just promise them ... 2012-11-04T09:42:10 howard goes on and on about, how difficult it is to say no... and that asshole, still puts people through quite some emotional stress... 2012-11-04T09:49:36 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-04T09:50:32 also, that effing crowd is ruins almost everything, why cant they sit and stfu 2012-11-04T09:50:38 -is 2012-11-04T10:01:34 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T10:16:19 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2012-11-04T10:17:29 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T10:17:38 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T10:23:35 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-04T10:43:11 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2012-11-04T10:44:04 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T11:15:33 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-04T11:34:28 portaltron sounds pretty cool 2012-11-04T11:37:50 :) 2012-11-04T12:01:37 * jmcarthur randomly decided to think about possible games for a future contest 2012-11-04T12:01:55 looking over some old ideas i had written down 2012-11-04T12:02:27 jmcarthur: smiley1983 brought to live tcp servers 2012-11-04T12:02:35 life* 2012-11-04T12:03:13 i think i like one of my old ideas 2012-11-04T12:03:28 no way, you like your own ideas? XD 2012-11-04T12:03:50 well i had forgotten about this one 2012-11-04T12:04:45 it's basically tron for n players where each turn is preceded by a negotiation step where players communicate intent and expectations with each other in an attempt to play tricks or form alliances 2012-11-04T12:05:46 the fact that it's tron is not important 2012-11-04T12:05:54 it could be something else, as long as it's somewhat simple 2012-11-04T12:06:44 team RPS 2012-11-04T12:06:55 but i think the game itself should be visually engaging, since the negotiation isn't likely to be 2012-11-04T12:07:15 funny cartoon characters doing team-RPS? 2012-11-04T12:07:17 team RPS? -_- 2012-11-04T12:07:39 what does team rps even mean? i don't see how that game would work 2012-11-04T12:08:00 well, you said you want negotiation 2012-11-04T12:08:03 yes 2012-11-04T12:08:06 by team i mean, they could form alliances 2012-11-04T12:08:18 but how does multiplayer rps work? 2012-11-04T12:08:22 err, >2 player 2012-11-04T12:08:39 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-04T12:08:44 spectacularly, hopefully 2012-11-04T12:08:50 since it needs to be visually engaging 2012-11-04T12:09:24 (no, i have no idea atm how would it actually work) 2012-11-04T12:09:40 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T12:10:21 also, this is somewhat unfair, in any game 2012-11-04T12:10:38 players start with equally good chances of winning 2012-11-04T12:10:49 then 2 form an alliance against a 3rd for example 2012-11-04T12:10:58 that player is immediately doomed 2012-11-04T12:11:11 and the game is reduced to a 2 player one 2012-11-04T12:11:13 that's why the negotiation needs to happen 2012-11-04T12:11:25 but that is random negotiation 2012-11-04T12:11:28 instead of it just being some boolean decision 2012-11-04T12:11:37 there is no information to really decide to join up with one or the other 2012-11-04T12:11:44 this is not WW2 2012-11-04T12:11:50 it is a simple abstract world 2012-11-04T12:11:53 with a rich enough language there is enough information 2012-11-04T12:12:19 you can say things like "i intend to do this, i would like you to do that, i expect this other guy to do this, such and such told me this btw" and so on 2012-11-04T12:12:28 but you can also lie 2012-11-04T12:13:04 which is dangerous since with verbose enough players inconsistencies are easy to catch 2012-11-04T12:13:28 at least if you are lying about what other people said to you 2012-11-04T12:13:32 but then again, they could have lied too 2012-11-04T12:13:54 so you also have to establish some sort of track record early in the game 2012-11-04T12:15:14 so no, this is not random negotiation of the form "please side with me!". that's useless 2012-11-04T12:18:11 some weird effects come out of it too. for example, if a player that's very near you tells you his next move, that's more significant than a player far away from you telling you his next move. it's either showing a lot more trust or a lot more trickery, and you figure out which it is after the next turn, which can make or break virtual alliances 2012-11-04T12:18:28 or if a player was very talkative until it got near you, that's a warning sign 2012-11-04T12:20:38 it is not obvious to verify that someone lied to you or not, and this verification probably spans more than one turns 2012-11-04T12:20:57 it depends on your own way of evaluating the gamestate 2012-11-04T12:21:46 i think it is a very hard problem, of coming up with a not too restrictive way of communication, that is also, not too broad 2012-11-04T12:26:05 well, if the communication is only about next turn than it's easy to verify 2012-11-04T12:26:11 if it's about longer term plans then it's harder 2012-11-04T12:26:46 jmcarthur: i dont think 1 turn plans offer anything meaningful 2012-11-04T12:26:57 it depends on the game 2012-11-04T12:27:18 in tron you can't really take a turn back, so i think it can be pretty meaningful 2012-11-04T12:27:34 it won't *always* be meaningful 2012-11-04T12:27:58 it only has meaning, if it is in a context 2012-11-04T12:28:10 like, ill do this next turn, *because* i want this... 2012-11-04T12:28:21 sure 2012-11-04T12:28:28 well 2012-11-04T12:28:30 sometimes 2012-11-04T12:28:55 i think often in tron you end up in a situation where if you make one move you obviously intend one thing and if you make a different move you obviously intend something else 2012-11-04T12:29:03 at least several times in a game 2012-11-04T12:30:23 i havent participated in tron, idk 2012-11-04T12:30:48 i agree in principle though that it would be nicer if you could express something about states of the world a bit farther in the future 2012-11-04T12:32:50 jmcarthur: have you seen Tanks? the russian ai competition 2012-11-04T12:32:59 not yet 2012-11-04T12:33:21 tanks shooting at each other, has some intricacies 2012-11-04T12:33:39 the game world look continuous 2012-11-04T12:33:42 looks* 2012-11-04T12:33:56 there are bonuses on the map.. 2012-11-04T12:34:06 but its all in russian :( 2012-11-04T12:34:26 but the prizes are californian! 2012-11-04T12:34:34 (apple products) 2012-11-04T12:34:56 http://russianaicup.ru/ 2012-11-04T12:34:59 i've been wanting a game like this 2012-11-04T12:37:50 my first ai contest was a long time ago. it was a game where you constructed a robot with various weapons and characteristics (there was some cost model for this) and a corresponding AI for it, then fight it against other robots. it was very fun. 2012-11-04T12:38:40 i can't remember what it was called 2012-11-04T12:39:42 in my first ai contest, you had to write an ai to control pixels on the screen 2012-11-04T12:39:46 they called them Ants 2012-11-04T12:40:57 here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTKmooybzwk 2012-11-04T12:41:37 this is a much newer version of it 2012-11-04T12:42:59 looks oldschool 2012-11-04T12:43:33 i played it on a mac running system 7 or 8, iirc 2012-11-04T12:44:06 it had to be 7 2012-11-04T12:44:14 i had it in black and white 2012-11-04T12:44:31 how old are you, if you dont mind? 2012-11-04T12:44:36 27 2012-11-04T12:44:43 :( 2012-11-04T12:44:49 :( ? 2012-11-04T12:44:57 i thought you were older 2012-11-04T12:45:03 nah 2012-11-04T12:47:58 jmcarthur: it is not a criticism XD 2012-11-04T12:48:26 nostalgia! http://www.stanford.edu/~pch/robowar/tutorial/Tutorial.html 2012-11-04T12:48:35 i know i must seem like an old fart ;) 2012-11-04T12:50:33 yeah, that beard makes you look older 2012-11-04T12:50:59 beard? 2012-11-04T12:51:11 turns out you dont have it? 2012-11-04T12:51:17 well, im practicing mentalism 2012-11-04T12:51:23 sometimes works, other times, not so much 2012-11-04T12:51:26 haha 2012-11-04T12:52:00 i switch between beard and no beard pretty often 2012-11-04T12:52:09 which is just another way of saying that i shave very rarely ;) 2012-11-04T12:52:48 my neck gets very irritated usually, and i hate that, i think they call it shave burns 2012-11-04T12:53:01 yeah, me too 2012-11-04T12:53:05 which is why i hate shaving 2012-11-04T12:54:12 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T13:03:34 yet another tron variation: 2012-11-04T13:06:27 n player game again. each player starts with X points. before each turn, players try to pay each other to make moves they want them to make using their points. additionally, if a bot runs into a particular player's tail, that player gets all that bot's current points. this provides motivation for valuing certain moves 2012-11-04T13:06:45 so you could try to pay other bots to manipulate a certain bot into running into your tail 2012-11-04T13:06:49 etc. 2012-11-04T13:07:17 if multiple bots offer to pay you to make the same move, then if you make that move you get payment from every both that made the offers for that move 2012-11-04T13:07:22 *every bot 2012-11-04T13:07:49 last bot standing gets a bonus. winner is the player with most points 2012-11-04T13:08:41 oh no a wall of text 2012-11-04T13:09:07 better than a wall of bricks 2012-11-04T13:09:43 mcstar: you should make a bw bot 2012-11-04T13:09:54 Can I get payment from other contestant for my bot doing some move? :D 2012-11-04T13:09:55 black&white? 2012-11-04T13:10:03 mcstar: https://code.google.com/p/bwapi/ 2012-11-04T13:10:12 UncleVasya: right, that's the whole idea 2012-11-04T13:10:16 oh wait 2012-11-04T13:10:18 you mean money 2012-11-04T13:10:20 no :P 2012-11-04T13:10:45 oh, i once downloaded Brood War, i think i played it for 5 minutes 2012-11-04T13:11:24 UncleVasya: like, in Ukrain's got talent? 2012-11-04T13:11:45 dance contest for bots, lol 2012-11-04T13:11:49 ha 2012-11-04T13:14:43 thestinger: why do you think i should make one? 2012-11-04T13:15:05 im the kind of person, that is too lazy to learn any kind of strategy game 2012-11-04T13:15:18 mcstar: you don't need to learn it, your bot does :) 2012-11-04T13:15:23 ... 2012-11-04T13:15:33 * thestinger kidding 2012-11-04T13:15:39 i know 2012-11-04T13:20:23 oh 2012-11-04T13:20:28 no machine ints in python3? 2012-11-04T13:21:26 mcstar: there are under the hood 2012-11-04T13:21:46 mcstar: when it overflows, it changes to a different representation 2012-11-04T13:21:55 it's no slower 2012-11-04T13:22:00 but that happened before, also 2012-11-04T13:22:08 what has changed then? 2012-11-04T13:22:08 yes but now it's an implementation detail 2012-11-04T13:22:16 mcstar: there's only int() and you need to worry less :P 2012-11-04T13:30:57 *** Apophis has quit IRC (Quit: Verlassend) 2012-11-04T13:40:17 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-11-04T13:53:03 *** NoxiaZ^ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T13:59:43 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-11-04T14:03:08 *** coeus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2012-11-04T14:05:55 *** Cyndre_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-04T14:06:12 *** Cyndre_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T14:14:27 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T14:19:16 *** kilae_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T14:21:34 *** NoxiaZ^ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-04T14:21:40 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-04T14:50:01 *** heinrich5991 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-04T14:53:48 *** heinrich5991 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T14:59:55 *** thestinger is now known as jelly2 2012-11-04T15:00:48 *** jelly2 is now known as thestinger 2012-11-04T15:24:30 *** Apophis_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-04T15:31:03 *** Apophis has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T15:34:34 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-11-04T15:35:09 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T15:35:51 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T15:37:39 *** kilae_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-04T15:45:57 *** monstaokki has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T15:46:06 *** monstaokki has left #aichallenge 2012-11-04T15:50:56 smiley1983: Now PW almost works with epsilon system. I need to find one (at least) bug to make it 'just works'. There is no replay generation yet and some refactoring will be good. 2012-11-04T15:51:11 *** Kingpin13 has quit IRC (Quit: quit) 2012-11-04T15:53:51 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T16:06:51 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-11-04T16:12:57 *** Garf has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T16:23:27 *** NoxiaZ^ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T16:24:50 *** kilae has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]) 2012-11-04T16:28:32 smiley1983: Bugs seems to be taken down ;) 2012-11-04T16:29:00 *** ramn[mba] has quit IRC (Quit: ramn[mba]) 2012-11-04T16:31:56 smiley1983: Also I found old bots must be fixed to be launhed on new engine. I tried to keep backward compatibility but then I saw that I need edit engine.py for this. 2012-11-04T16:39:34 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-04T16:42:22 mleise: i hypothesized that a sudoku puzzle solved you! 2012-11-04T16:47:42 *** coeus has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T16:50:58 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-04T16:53:20 *** Garf has quit IRC (Quit: Make a new plan, Stan!) 2012-11-04T16:54:15 mcstar: no, I was taking a break from that. stupid chasing for cpu cycles. 2012-11-04T16:55:07 mleise: good to know you didnt starve yourself to death while optimizing code 2012-11-04T17:12:13 *** mleise has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-04T17:12:22 *** SJRvanSchaik has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2012-11-04T17:12:39 *** SJRvanSchaik has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T17:14:02 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T17:22:36 *** SJRvanSchaik has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2012-11-04T17:23:05 *** SJRvanSchaik has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T17:27:03 oh you can watch the SC Brood War bot matches live ? http://www.twitch.tv/certicky?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&utm_source=www.sscaitournament.com 2012-11-04T17:28:06 *** SJRvanSc1aik has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T17:31:40 *** SJRvanSchaik has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-04T17:40:05 *** SJRvanSc1aik has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2012-11-04T17:40:31 *** SJRvanSchaik has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T17:42:33 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-04T17:47:46 Is GreenTea taking part in every AI challenge that exists? 2012-11-04T17:52:32 is he? 2012-11-04T17:52:49 is there a list of ongoing ai contests/leagues? i'm bored :P 2012-11-04T17:53:09 mcstar: he is ranked high in this russian tank challenge, too. 2012-11-04T17:53:36 i know 2012-11-04T17:53:44 is he on brood wars too? 2012-11-04T17:53:57 I don't know 2012-11-04T17:54:26 mleise: i thought he is, and that why you remarked if he participates in every ai contest... 2012-11-04T17:55:07 wiki has lists of everythin 2012-11-04T17:55:09 no I remearked because someone said on this channel "that's where GreenTea is 1st" ... and I don't remember the challenge 2012-11-04T17:55:16 i think it even has a list of my todos 2012-11-04T17:55:46 mleise: i just start typing russ... and it completes for me 2012-11-04T17:55:59 yeah, great 2012-11-04T17:56:54 GT for president 2012-11-04T17:56:56 to what? 2012-11-04T17:57:12