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I will leave it where it is for now, and see what the response times are like for others 2012-11-06T04:31:58 *** pairofdice has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T04:32:19 just posted on dimkadimon's fb profile that tcp is being prodded with again 2012-11-06T04:32:24 only other aussie i know is sigh 2012-11-06T04:32:59 hehe ok the prolly your bots took the juice for themselves 2012-11-06T04:33:15 that could also explain some timeouts.. 2012-11-06T04:33:20 :) 2012-11-06T04:33:23 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T04:33:24 i'm not working on a bot anyway 2012-11-06T04:33:26 no time for that 2012-11-06T04:33:29 :( 2012-11-06T04:33:44 who is dimkadimon 2012-11-06T04:34:04 antimatroidl: you got an old bot tho? 2012-11-06T04:34:27 yeah but i cbf running it 2012-11-06T04:34:40 my ants bot is on github 2012-11-06T04:34:45 my pw bot is online somewhere i think 2012-11-06T04:34:58 tron is what i care about though 2012-11-06T04:35:06 i really want to do another tron bot from the ground up 2012-11-06T04:35:10 does the ants git repo have all the history? 2012-11-06T04:35:12 and play with the problems again 2012-11-06T04:35:16 nope 2012-11-06T04:35:28 are gotron and trooon yours? 2012-11-06T04:35:38 where's that from? 2012-11-06T04:35:46 names of players on the tron server 2012-11-06T04:35:58 no, that's me ;) 2012-11-06T04:36:17 Right, hi! 2012-11-06T04:36:17 trying human vs machine .. 2012-11-06T04:36:30 Goodness :) 2012-11-06T04:36:53 hard with 2 agents ;) 2012-11-06T04:37:10 I was wondering about some of the seemingly-quite-intelligent behaviour followed by crashing into walls :) 2012-11-06T04:38:08 ;) yea. lame left hand 2012-11-06T04:38:09 i would like to do it as a game DAG rather than a game tree 2012-11-06T04:38:16 and search that 2012-11-06T04:38:42 also my friend did path maximisation, so i haven't played with that poblem before 2012-11-06T04:39:02 *** mviel has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T04:39:50 When I search for "game DAG AI" it seems to think I must have meant "game dog ai" 2012-11-06T04:40:00 What is DAG? 2012-11-06T04:40:12 direct acyclic graph? 2012-11-06T04:40:27 yeah 2012-11-06T04:40:48 Right, thanks 2012-11-06T04:41:03 i'm not sure how useful it is for tron now i think about it 2012-11-06T04:41:21 what's a simple example where after n different ordered moves the heads are in the same position and same wall structure? 2012-11-06T04:41:42 if there's lots of those and you can cut down on repeatedly extending the tree from those nodes 2012-11-06T04:41:46 i think it could be quite useful 2012-11-06T04:42:13 alpha-beta pruning while still generating the tree isn't necessarily optimal 2012-11-06T04:42:16 so i don't trust that 2012-11-06T04:42:28 though i'd like to play around with how you could prune the tree as you generate it 2012-11-06T04:42:48 like when the outcome is determined (loss/draw/separated/win) where you could prune off that info 2012-11-06T04:46:03 ramn[work]: if you load a replay from the server now, does it seem any faster than before? 2012-11-06T04:46:36 dont remember the ip 2012-11-06T04:46:40 smiley1983, new server loc ? much faster now 2012-11-06T04:46:42 could we point a domain there? 2012-11-06T04:47:28 lemonyparty.org 2012-11-06T04:47:38 g0llum: no, same locations, no bots running on server :) 2012-11-06T04:47:43 i totally want to own that domain aha 2012-11-06T04:47:43 ahh 2012-11-06T04:48:49 *** Wren80 has quit IRC (Quit: Wren80) 2012-11-06T04:49:13 I'm not opposed to giving it a domain name, anyone know a good free registrar? lol 2012-11-06T04:49:21 afraid.org 2012-11-06T04:49:37 I didn't know they did domain registration as well, I've only used them for dns 2012-11-06T04:49:45 could be a subdomain of something that we already own 2012-11-06T04:49:51 ah perhaps only dns 2012-11-06T04:51:29 I do like their services and lack of rubbish, though, so I might consider registering one through them 2012-11-06T04:52:57 Probably not until I've done a few other tasks (getting the square-blocks visualizer working with TCP, mapgen-1v1 and mapgen-multi, showing direction on trails... 2012-11-06T04:53:23 plus any other issues discovered by the few people interacting with it :) 2012-11-06T04:54:37 If someone already owns a domain I'm open to using a subdomain there 2012-11-06T04:54:37 could http://tcp.aichallenge.org/ be directed to the server? 2012-11-06T04:55:16 If the admins of aichallenge.org agree to it, I'd be very happy with that :) 2012-11-06T04:57:10 It would probably have to be four of five different subdomains, though, one for each server (ants-beginner, ants-intermediate, ants-ffa, tron-single, tron-multi) 2012-11-06T04:57:19 "of" -> "or" 2012-11-06T04:58:09 smiley1983: make a "homepage" with links to the rest 2012-11-06T04:58:11 you could register a free subdomain on afraid.org, like antstcp.afraid.org 2012-11-06T05:00:07 smiley1983: aren't they on the same IP 2012-11-06T05:00:10 only different ports 2012-11-06T05:02:38 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-11-06T05:03:45 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T05:04:52 *** Wren80 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T05:08:50 ramn[work]: yes, same IP, different ports 2012-11-06T05:09:36 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-06T05:09:40 I don't know how to connect different "pages" within one subdomain to different ports (without directing them to the IP:port addess), though I'm sure it's possible 2012-11-06T05:10:15 One subdomain for each port is easy to configure, though 2012-11-06T05:11:03 you can't direct a domain to a port 2012-11-06T05:11:17 if you don't do routing stuff 2012-11-06T05:13:00 *** loglog has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-06T05:13:01 *** mviel has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-11-06T05:13:54 *** mviel has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T05:15:37 Hmm, I'm going to need to learn more in order to set up the domain name, which means it won't happen in the immediate future 2012-11-06T05:16:07 If someone else is keen enough on making it happen to give me instructions, I can probably follow them 2012-11-06T05:16:14 It 2012-11-06T05:16:22 's a low priority for me personally 2012-11-06T05:26:18 could we put the IP in the topic of this channel? 2012-11-06T05:26:22 easy way :) 2012-11-06T05:35:46 Someone with the appropriate access could - not me 2012-11-06T05:38:28 I test the updated tron visualizer in the tcp server on my own machine; then I put the visualizer code into the real webserver (cut + paste operation which I have done several times over to make sure I didn't just make some mistake) - and I get a blank space where most of the action should be. Firebug doesn't complain of any problems, and the turn counter is still working (sort of), and the script is running 2012-11-06T05:38:50 Just showing different behaviour when served up to the same browser from two different sources :/ 2012-11-06T05:49:40 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2012-11-06T05:57:43 Problem solved: it turns out that the real server was trying to show replays for games which didn't yet record "rows" and "cols" for the visualizer. Old games will not display at all (sorry, I can send you the database file if you really want to watch them) and here is the current visualizer: http://106.187.94.97:2086/replay.2646 2012-11-06T05:58:37 This one was very squashed before: http://106.187.94.97:2086/replay.2649 2012-11-06T05:58:46 Still some issues to resolve 2012-11-06T06:02:34 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T06:18:37 *** coeus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2012-11-06T06:21:29 smiley1983: perhaps a very brief info page on http://106.187.94.97/ 2012-11-06T06:21:36 just links to the different ports 2012-11-06T06:21:50 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-11-06T06:37:19 *** Wren80 has quit IRC (Quit: Wren80) 2012-11-06T06:41:27 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T06:46:00 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T07:18:12 lol, osx never fails to surprise me with it's stupidity 2012-11-06T07:19:35 lol 2012-11-06T07:19:46 how ironic 2012-11-06T07:19:50 its* 2012-11-06T07:22:37 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-11-06T07:24:16 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T07:50:24 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2012-11-06T07:51:54 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T07:56:52 *** tsc has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T08:06:29 ramn[]: yes, that is a good idea, and a link in the header of the servers linking back to the menu 2012-11-06T08:06:37 Will try to do it later tonight 2012-11-06T08:08:15 *** Wren80 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T08:26:13 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2012-11-06T08:26:40 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T08:30:27 this morning( 2012-11-06T08:30:28 * 2012-11-06T08:35:34 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T08:35:54 mleise: ive seen that dumb blond before 2012-11-06T08:36:14 blonde* 2012-11-06T08:36:48 also, i can forgive her, looks kind of hot 2012-11-06T08:41:07 *** Wren80 has quit IRC (Quit: Wren80) 2012-11-06T09:00:25 *** Wren80 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T09:02:22 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-11-06T09:08:40 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-06T09:09:13 *** awly has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T09:13:30 *** ramn[work] has quit IRC () 2012-11-06T09:15:51 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-06T09:16:00 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T09:17:05 *** dici has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T09:17:42 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T09:19:49 *** loglog has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T09:27:00 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2012-11-06T09:27:14 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T09:34:08 *** ramn[work] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T09:49:21 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-11-06T10:01:45 *** elGringo has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T10:02:36 hi 2012-11-06T10:03:30 Hi 2012-11-06T10:04:18 Is there some information about next challenges? Or about people, that want to make ones? 2012-11-06T10:04:28 they are probably all in here 2012-11-06T10:04:34 :) 2012-11-06T10:04:38 dormant 2012-11-06T10:04:46 you have to wake them up 2012-11-06T10:05:36 As i've read in forum, ants team was 'unband' and nothing done for next challenge 2012-11-06T10:05:55 the old games still live on 2012-11-06T10:06:51 It's not so interesting to play old games :) 2012-11-06T10:06:55 lets hope for a contest next year spring 2012-11-06T10:07:27 Is here somebody, who really doing anything for it? 2012-11-06T10:08:01 I just interesting. :) 2012-11-06T10:08:04 who has done, yes, doing now? no 2012-11-06T10:08:18 thanks 2012-11-06T10:08:33 except smiley1983's clearwater revival 2012-11-06T10:08:35 May be some people has some ideas? 2012-11-06T10:08:37 :) 2012-11-06T10:09:11 we have ideas, the problem is organizational 2012-11-06T10:09:49 the organs are functioning, the system just had a doze of neurotoxin... 2012-11-06T10:09:55 It's the top problem everywhere :) 2012-11-06T10:10:05 Clear water - what king of game is it? 2012-11-06T10:10:21 kind* 2012-11-06T10:10:22 I've been working on getting a TCP server running: in theory I would like to run new games, but I don't want to run anything which might then be used for an official contest 2012-11-06T10:11:05 It may be unafficial :) 2012-11-06T10:11:13 Who cares :) 2012-11-06T10:11:20 Currently I've got the Ants game running and a new Tron game being tested: http://106.187.94.97:2086/ 2012-11-06T10:11:29 Yes, all unofficial 2012-11-06T10:13:12 g0llum: is it better if I leave the starter package connected to the Tron server, or is it just getting in the way? 2012-11-06T10:13:26 It may be a while before any real bots join you there 2012-11-06T10:14:08 Smiley, what languages does support your server? 2012-11-06T10:14:35 all, 2012-11-06T10:14:38 connect with tcp 2012-11-06T10:14:45 you must run your bot from your own computer 2012-11-06T10:14:52 No language restrictions - moves are sent via TCP, you can program in anything which can talk to stdin and stdout 2012-11-06T10:15:01 I think, ants game is more interesting for tactics. By the way, it can be upgrade with some real-time-stattegy features.. 2012-11-06T10:15:37 Oh, moves via tcp its great. :) What protocol do you use? 2012-11-06T10:15:53 IO document: http://106.187.94.97:2086/trondoc 2012-11-06T10:15:54 I mean XML, JSON or smth ? 2012-11-06T10:15:58 elGringo: credence clearwater revival band, they played music 2012-11-06T10:15:59 Oh, thanjs 2012-11-06T10:16:38 Oh, i think it's a game :) 2012-11-06T10:16:53 no, its a wordjoke on smiley1983's attempt 2012-11-06T10:17:04 In what language did you write your server, smiley?> 2012-11-06T10:17:09 well, not really an attempt, he did it XD 2012-11-06T10:17:11 ^) 2012-11-06T10:17:18 I didn't write it - berak and other people wrote it in Python 2012-11-06T10:17:26 Oh, ok 2012-11-06T10:18:05 Here's the source tree for local testing of tron bots: https://github.com/smiley1983/ants-tcp 2012-11-06T10:18:28 For local testing of ants bots, you would want to go back to the original aichallenge source 2012-11-06T10:18:28 Can it validate turns and orders? 2012-11-06T10:18:48 what for? 2012-11-06T10:18:58 Local testing - it's ok, i've try it 2012-11-06T10:19:23 The starter packages may do some validating - the server will just ignore things it doesn't understand, and bots who fail to say "go" within the time limit will timeout 2012-11-06T10:19:30 Hmmm... Validate to detect cheaters and etc 2012-11-06T10:19:43 how could you cheat? 2012-11-06T10:19:50 the input is not 'eval'd 2012-11-06T10:19:55 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T10:20:14 Hmmm... Do turns on 2 steps at ones, for example 2012-11-06T10:20:15 Currently it doesn't check that your ping times match your move delays, but it could be done if that became a problem 2012-11-06T10:20:56 The server allows more time per move than it claims to, so that people with large ping times don't timeout, so some amount of time cheating can occur 2012-11-06T10:21:11 I mean , do turns, wher ant will pass 3-4-5 cells in one turn 2012-11-06T10:21:12 Really, if the server is being used enough that cheating is a problem, I'm happy :) 2012-11-06T10:21:37 If you issue orders that don't work, the engine will tell you that the orders don't work... 2012-11-06T10:21:39 :) You're right 2012-11-06T10:21:43 it won't move your ants three spaces 2012-11-06T10:21:58 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-06T10:22:18 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T10:22:22 It means, that server validating turns. It's good :) 2012-11-06T10:22:37 lol 2012-11-06T10:22:40 In that case, yes, it's validating them. :) 2012-11-06T10:22:58 But you need to learn python, if you'd like to add some features in game 2012-11-06T10:23:08 no 2012-11-06T10:23:16 its enough if you already know it 2012-11-06T10:23:46 I just dreaming about a game, that have some features from RTS games :) 2012-11-06T10:24:21 write a bot for starcraft then 2012-11-06T10:24:21 I didn't really know python when I started playing around with this code, I've managed to make a few game engines with it though :) 2012-11-06T10:24:45 :) Starcraft - it's too much features :) 2012-11-06T10:24:52 I don't think the contest organizers will run a variation of ants in the future, so if someone writes one, I'll host it 2012-11-06T10:25:03 smiley1983: I'm quite happy that your server allows alot of time to move, as my bot frequently spends more than a second to decide what the hell it wants to do 2012-11-06T10:25:31 tsc: you mentioned slow http responses, are they better now? 2012-11-06T10:25:37 As I understand, contest organizers will not run anything at all 2012-11-06T10:26:09 Doesn't look like it 2012-11-06T10:26:30 Also, the bot should believe the 500ms time limit it's told (1 second for beginner server) - the extra time is just so people with large ping times can still play 2012-11-06T10:26:36 which continent are you connecting from? 2012-11-06T10:27:11 europe, 300ms ping 2012-11-06T10:27:17 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T10:27:27 http://106.187.94.97:2080/ takes 20 seconds or so to load 2012-11-06T10:27:32 isnt europe a country? 2012-11-06T10:28:19 it's a moon 2012-11-06T10:28:28 That's europa 2012-11-06T10:28:32 strange, for me it's about 2-3 seconds 2012-11-06T10:29:25 ping time 116ms, but that difference shouldn't mean anything 2012-11-06T10:30:43 that hot blonde asked this in 'are you smarter than a fifth grader' 2012-11-06T10:31:06 time wget http://106.187.94.97:2080/ (snip) HTTP request sent, awaiting response... (waits 20 seconds here) 200 OK (snip) real 0m22.774s 2012-11-06T10:31:15 I think, thron is not so interesting, as ants :) 2012-11-06T10:31:25 tron 2012-11-06T10:31:32 it is much simpler 2012-11-06T10:31:32 yeah, sorry :) 2012-11-06T10:31:42 it is 2012-11-06T10:31:47 but you can have several variations on it to make more interesting 2012-11-06T10:31:54 even rps is interesting 2012-11-06T10:32:03 you might not believe it, but it is 2012-11-06T10:32:39 It's a different kind of challenge; I'm interested in writing an AI for 1v1 games on small maps (like the original tron contest) so I can learn about traditional tree searching AI 2012-11-06T10:32:40 also, i have to say, the Ants bots were stupid 2012-11-06T10:33:15 there is a lot of unexplored or not well explored territory in Ants 2012-11-06T10:33:29 Subsequent contests have been designed to resist tree searching, and that's great, but I want to engage with all the different solution types :) 2012-11-06T10:33:32 Yes they were :) But it can be more smarter :) 2012-11-06T10:33:47 mcstar: you are absolutely right, there was huge scope for smarter bots still 2012-11-06T10:33:53 not more smarter, only smarter 2012-11-06T10:34:27 :) 2012-11-06T10:34:30 thanks 2012-11-06T10:34:32 I think that with another month, several people would have overtaken the xathis bot in it final form 2012-11-06T10:34:40 it -> its 2012-11-06T10:34:45 Ants combat resolution is sort of boring in my opinion. It's too defensive, not enough room for aggressive funness 2012-11-06T10:35:16 Sorry, english is not my native language :) 2012-11-06T10:35:26 we know 2012-11-06T10:35:33 thats not a problem 2012-11-06T10:36:02 You think, tron has more room for it? 2012-11-06T10:36:30 in tron, you can more easily study exact methods 2012-11-06T10:37:13 May be... But this games are not only for study, i think :) 2012-11-06T10:37:23 if you really want to get the hang of tree search, how minimax works and stuff, tron is better for that 2012-11-06T10:37:30 Just for fun and some challenge :) 2012-11-06T10:37:47 right 2012-11-06T10:37:48 My bot sometimes beats xathis... Usually I gather more food than it, but then it slowly whittles away at me over 700+ turns 2012-11-06T10:38:08 through it's better combat.. 2012-11-06T10:38:11 Long-time planning :) 2012-11-06T10:38:19 tsc: how much time did you put in your bot? did you start from zero? 2012-11-06T10:38:54 Made it over a week or so a few months ago, but it's very unoptimized and runs too slow for the actual contest 2012-11-06T10:39:04 would run too slow that is 2012-11-06T10:40:41 *** elGringo has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-11-06T10:40:42 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-06T10:41:36 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T10:43:01 *** elGringo has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T10:47:09 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-11-06T10:48:53 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T10:57:09 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T10:57:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-11-06T11:04:26 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-11-06T11:05:06 *** awly has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-11-06T11:13:48 smiley1983: I tried the linode download tests and indeed the London server was fast, for me in Germany, with the Canadian server having ~50% of that speed and the Japanese server 25 2012-11-06T11:16:09 smiley1983: It's not the data rate though, I can live with 100-200kb/s. But the latency is through the roof now and then. Sometimes in a single page load some JS/PNG files are received quickly while others take exactly 25 seconds. 2012-11-06T11:19:14 Hm, I'll check if there's any configuration I can do (are dns entries relevant to servers with no domain name?) but failing that I'll think about moving it to another location 2012-11-06T11:19:46 Though it turns out I was wrong about there being a Canadian server, it turns out that one is actually in California :) 2012-11-06T11:21:09 CA - California, of well 2012-11-06T11:21:29 what location on earth would be in the center of the community_ 2012-11-06T11:21:39 deep in the magma ? 2012-11-06T11:21:40 perhaps, Congo? 2012-11-06T11:21:49 somewhere in the middle east 2012-11-06T11:21:58 rent a server in Iran perhaps 2012-11-06T11:22:44 they are all in the clouds, morons! 2012-11-06T11:23:25 http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-10-21/ 2012-11-06T11:23:37 latest visualizer update, probably the last until I've done mapgen and some other stuff: http://106.187.94.97:2086/replay.2931 2012-11-06T11:24:31 lol, I like that comic strip very much 2012-11-06T11:24:49 mleise: XD 2012-11-06T11:25:04 i usually dont laugh at dilbert.. 2012-11-06T11:26:44 that Tron visualizer looks neat, better than plain blocks. And it loads so quickly. It resize to fit on small screens :) 2012-11-06T11:27:54 smiley1983: So you always get fast page loads on the Japanese server? I was wondering if some router was broken on the way from here to there or if the VPS wasn't getting enough CPU time to process the requests immediately 2012-11-06T11:30:51 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-11-06T11:31:45 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T11:31:53 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T11:48:52 smiley1983: what browser do you use ? 2012-11-06T11:49:34 to load replays and such on the Linode server ? 2012-11-06T11:51:06 web browser 2012-11-06T11:52:22 "The time honored tradition in the field of neural networks is that for each slight modification of an existing algorithm, you give it a brand new flashy name. " 2012-11-06T11:52:28 gopher? 2012-11-06T11:54:58 lynx perhaps 2012-11-06T11:55:08 elinks has css :P 2012-11-06T11:55:15 lol 2012-11-06T11:55:42 and broken js using mozilla's js engine but a half-complete dom \o/ 2012-11-06T11:57:55 mleise: firefox at the moment, haven't looked at it in other browsers yet 2012-11-06T11:57:58 the server responds more quickly for me in Forefox 2012-11-06T11:58:09 that's why I'm asking 2012-11-06T11:58:27 22 seconds instead of 23? 2012-11-06T11:58:44 no more like instantly 2012-11-06T11:58:46 lol 2012-11-06T11:58:54 Forefox, the superfast browser 2012-11-06T11:59:01 have you tried Firefox? 2012-11-06T11:59:03 I just tried in chromium, and it was similarly fast 2012-11-06T11:59:04 no it is fast in Chromium as well 2012-11-06T11:59:30 but it is crawling slow with the Scandinavian browser and wget 2012-11-06T11:59:42 which is it? 2012-11-06T11:59:46 Opera 2012-11-06T11:59:46 opera? 2012-11-06T11:59:49 ah 2012-11-06T12:00:11 mleise: turn on turbo 2012-11-06T12:00:12 remember that guy from Sweden complaining about the speed ? I guessed he might be using Opera 2012-11-06T12:00:22 i think it is called turbo.. 2012-11-06T12:00:22 mcstar: hehe, good idea, wait a sec 2012-11-06T12:00:52 I just tried with wget from here, and seem to get pages in a little less than a second 2012-11-06T12:00:55 mcstar: works :) 2012-11-06T12:01:11 so, better default caching with non-opera browsers 2012-11-06T12:02:02 mcstar: is that something which needs to be done at the server end? 2012-11-06T12:02:09 no 2012-11-06T12:02:14 good :) 2012-11-06T12:02:15 mcstar: I never loaded that page with Firefox or Chromium before and it was just faster 2012-11-06T12:02:17 at least i dont think so 2012-11-06T12:02:43 hey, the requests still time out, so it is something wrong on the server side 2012-11-06T12:02:56 thestinger must know, how web servers handle non-modified resource requests 2012-11-06T12:03:13 we just have to find out if Opera is sending other request headers or something 2012-11-06T12:03:19 mcstar: the simplest way is they bubble the last modified date to the client 2012-11-06T12:03:25 even simple webservers, can tell the browser if they have up to date caches 2012-11-06T12:03:29 mcstar: which basically always works 2012-11-06T12:03:44 mcstar: the browser sends the last-modified date it has cached 2012-11-06T12:03:47 gets a page if it changed 2012-11-06T12:03:53 otherwise just a response saying it didn't 2012-11-06T12:04:07 mleise: I'm using Aurora 2012-11-06T12:04:07 *but* there are also cache headers - you can say 'cache this for a week and don't ask me about it' 2012-11-06T12:04:13 mleise: bleeding edge! 2012-11-06T12:04:14 or be like google, and say 'cache this for a year' 2012-11-06T12:04:14 but server and client time can differ 2012-11-06T12:04:17 and version your static files 2012-11-06T12:04:19 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T12:04:30 mcstar: UTC 2012-11-06T12:04:39 and your computer should be up-to-date for the internet to work :) 2012-11-06T12:04:42 not timezone 2012-11-06T12:04:51 mcstar: UTC still works fine :P 2012-11-06T12:05:14 once my computer clock was almost 4 hours too fast 2012-11-06T12:05:18 i fixed it recently 2012-11-06T12:05:19 ntp 2012-11-06T12:05:20 the problem is NOT about caching guys 2012-11-06T12:05:34 mleise: the problem is war 2012-11-06T12:05:44 silence! I kill you! 2012-11-06T12:05:50 i kill you first 2012-11-06T12:06:19 mcstar: there are also etags 2012-11-06T12:06:25 Server: SimpleHTTP/0.6 Python/2.6.6 2012-11-06T12:06:30 mcstar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_ETag 2012-11-06T12:06:35 use Apache2 :D 2012-11-06T12:06:57 nginx! 2012-11-06T12:07:12 is that some hash? 2012-11-06T12:07:15 python's SimpleHTTP is not meant to be used for real :P 2012-11-06T12:07:18 mcstar: I think so 2012-11-06T12:07:22 thats great 2012-11-06T12:07:29 mcstar: really it's easier to just version your static files 2012-11-06T12:07:30 i suspected such 2012-11-06T12:07:33 that's what google/amazon/facebook so 2012-11-06T12:07:46 well, a hash is like a version number 2012-11-06T12:07:53 2012-11-06T12:07:54 and it is better if you dont have ordering 2012-11-06T12:07:59 mcstar: yes but that involves sending more headers 2012-11-06T12:08:15 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2012-11-06T12:08:30 mcstar: and if you use cache control or etags, the browser still has to ask *every time* if the page changed 2012-11-06T12:08:33 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T12:08:48 mcstar: with cache control and versions, it only has to ask when it actually changed and the version was upped 2012-11-06T12:08:55 can tell it to cache it for a year 2012-11-06T12:09:12 if you use last-modified* or etags 2012-11-06T12:09:19 fucking typing, how does it work 2012-11-06T12:09:27 idk 2012-11-06T12:09:41 cling-svn 46873-1 47003-1 0.03 MiB 2012-11-06T12:09:43 :P 2012-11-06T12:09:45 i want to play piano on my computer keyboard 2012-11-06T12:09:55 it finally puts .cling_history in a consistent place \o/ 2012-11-06T12:16:10 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T12:20:03 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-06T12:26:13 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T12:34:24 *** Wren80 has quit IRC (Quit: Wren80) 2012-11-06T12:47:04 fucking great song 2012-11-06T12:47:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inwAc-ZBpx0&feature=related 2012-11-06T12:49:48 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T12:50:30 UncleVasya: it looks like running bots on the server causes problems 2012-11-06T12:51:00 so I will have to run them from my home machine, or get another server if I want to provide constant opponents 2012-11-06T12:52:21 smiley1983: take care not to end up with arending Amazon cloud :) 2012-11-06T12:53:01 thats a new 2012-11-06T12:53:06 uv teaching me words 2012-11-06T12:53:25 I was wondering: arending? 2012-11-06T12:53:59 wait, it isnt a word? 2012-11-06T12:54:33 *paying for Amazon cloud 2012-11-06T12:54:36 Apparently there's someone named Arend Rensink 2012-11-06T12:54:40 renting? 2012-11-06T12:55:18 so, what do you guys thing about cheryl lloyd? 2012-11-06T12:55:20 in Russian word 'arenda' means paying for the possibility to use something. I'll find an English word now. 2012-11-06T12:55:32 UncleVasya: yeah, do that 2012-11-06T12:55:40 every time 2012-11-06T12:55:46 UncleVasya: that's okay, I think my bank account would give up long before that happened :) 2012-11-06T12:56:15 UncleVasya: its not like we dont like russian, we just dont understand it 2012-11-06T12:56:38 think* 2012-11-06T12:56:51 *rent 2012-11-06T12:57:18 quite similar words 2012-11-06T12:57:20 sometime I wronlgy thing that in English it sounds like in Russian :) 2012-11-06T12:57:26 Like was with tort. 2012-11-06T12:57:38 torta 2012-11-06T12:57:42 It does :) 2012-11-06T12:57:59 tort is also correct, just uncommon 2012-11-06T12:58:19 really? 2012-11-06T12:58:28 smiley1983: what does it mean? 2012-11-06T12:58:33 what do you think it means* 2012-11-06T12:58:42 A pie with no crust on the top 2012-11-06T12:58:58 wait, no, that's a tart 2012-11-06T12:59:03 hehe 2012-11-06T12:59:05 a tort is a cake 2012-11-06T12:59:06 smiley1983: funny, like in French and German. Grandmothers of Europe unite! 2012-11-06T12:59:21 tarte, Torte 2012-11-06T12:59:29 or a legal term regarding injury 2012-11-06T12:59:51 smiley1983: i dont think tort is a cake 2012-11-06T12:59:54 but tart is 2012-11-06T12:59:58 at least, can be 2012-11-06T13:00:12 cake :( 2012-11-06T13:00:27 http://easteuropeanfood.about.com/od/qz/g/torte.htm 2012-11-06T13:00:52 thatsa torte 2012-11-06T13:00:59 you're right 2012-11-06T13:01:09 we say 'torta' 2012-11-06T13:01:17 pronunciation the same here 2012-11-06T13:01:19 thats a hungarian torta, on the picture :) 2012-11-06T13:01:34 we say it very plainly 2012-11-06T13:01:35 now I'm hungry for torte 2012-11-06T13:02:00 there is no 'h' in the pronunciation 2012-11-06T13:02:33 im not saying english speakers should say it like we do... 2012-11-06T13:02:45 anyway the word originates from Italian/Latin 'torta' 2012-11-06T13:03:09 but where does the actual cake come from? 2012-11-06T13:03:18 from italians? 2012-11-06T13:03:35 ask Wiki :) 2012-11-06T13:03:50 i wonder when whipped-cream discovered 2012-11-06T13:04:08 was* 2012-11-06T13:04:24 discovered or invented? 2012-11-06T13:04:42 smiley1983: I broke your server 2012-11-06T13:05:07 mleise: Excellent. :) How? 2012-11-06T13:05:18 The term "cake" has a long history. The word itself is of Viking origin, from the Old Norse word "kaka". 2012-11-06T13:05:26 mcstar: ^ 2012-11-06T13:05:35 no 2012-11-06T13:05:38 yes 2012-11-06T13:05:40 i mean the cake itself 2012-11-06T13:05:44 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2012-11-06T13:05:45 oh 2012-11-06T13:06:18 cake :( 2012-11-06T13:06:29 tsc: nobody promised you cakes! 2012-11-06T13:06:34 dont be disappointed 2012-11-06T13:06:59 cake :D 2012-11-06T13:07:03 kaka lol 2012-11-06T13:07:13 mmmm kaka 2012-11-06T13:07:17 delicious kaka 2012-11-06T13:07:20 is tsc a new guy or somebody with a new nick? 2012-11-06T13:07:28 cake in norwegian is cake o.o 2012-11-06T13:07:34 we call excrement 'kaka' 2012-11-06T13:07:40 wait what did i just say 2012-11-06T13:07:43 it's kake 2012-11-06T13:07:43 smiley1983: I don't know how, but it wont respond to my requests any more 2012-11-06T13:08:03 UncleVasya: I'm a new guy 2012-11-06T13:08:25 welcome, stranger 2012-11-06T13:08:32 what do you drink? 2012-11-06T13:08:46 thank you 2012-11-06T13:08:47 Kacke (from Latin cacare ‚to shit‘) 2012-11-06T13:08:50 apple juice? 2012-11-06T13:08:56 mcstar: he drinks the blood of Smiley's final bot :D 2012-11-06T13:08:58 we have only whiskey 2012-11-06T13:09:02 choose wisely 2012-11-06T13:09:14 apple juice and whiskey then 2012-11-06T13:09:20 without the apple juice 2012-11-06T13:09:32 Interesting. I've been getting some slow responses from the server, now most of the pages are responding quickly, but the beginner server isn't responding 2012-11-06T13:09:42 my man.. 2012-11-06T13:09:52 mixed, not shaked 2012-11-06T13:09:55 the server is reponding quickly for me in firefox now, still slow in opera 2012-11-06T13:10:21 only tried with opera earlier, but wget seems to be fast now too, as opposed to earlier 2012-11-06T13:10:27 what about if you try loading the page in port 2084? 2012-11-06T13:10:39 in -> on 2012-11-06T13:10:54 there are only 2 speeds pf server responce: 1. it responds, 2. it doesn't :) 2012-11-06T13:11:32 http://106.187.94.97:2084/ is still loading... 40+ seconds in firefox 2012-11-06T13:11:36 I'm trying to figure out where SimpleHTTP is bugged 2012-11-06T13:12:46 Firefox just says Connecting... with the spinning loading icon. Whatever you did, I don't think it fixed it :p 2012-11-06T13:13:05 no, I got some garbage responses sometimes even 2012-11-06T13:13:35 eg. no response at all 2012-11-06T13:14:41 smiley1983: tell me when it is online again, so I can continue my investigation on why it is slow with Opera 2012-11-06T13:15:14 Just fished this out of the webserver log for port 2084: http://pastebin.com/W6UahJxe 2012-11-06T13:15:15 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers. 2012-11-06T13:15:31 http://106.187.94.97:2080/ still works 2012-11-06T13:16:19 rebooting to fix for now 2012-11-06T13:16:39 I don't think python is meant to run web servers :D 2012-11-06T13:17:50 why? 2012-11-06T13:18:09 there is some fuckup somewhere, thats all 2012-11-06T13:18:16 Nevermind, there is no reason it shouldn't be able to :p 2012-11-06T13:18:24 You're right 2012-11-06T13:18:26 smiley1983: sorry for the hassle if it was my experiments. a web server shouldn't deadlock from client requests or disconnects though 2012-11-06T13:18:47 mleise: no need to be sorry, I am happy to have bugs in the code exposed 2012-11-06T13:19:17 mleise: simplehttpserver will :P 2012-11-06T13:19:27 maybe there is some more mature web server implementation than SimpleHTTP. I guess it was mainly supposed to be used for testing 2012-11-06T13:19:33 there are lots 2012-11-06T13:19:39 just fire up warp 2012-11-06T13:19:44 and your problems solved 2012-11-06T13:19:52 just make sure everything typechecks 2012-11-06T13:20:13 mleise: there are plenty of pure python web servers that can do 10k dynamic requests (calling a function) per second asynchronously 2012-11-06T13:20:14 Can't you host it with lighty? 2012-11-06T13:20:33 mleise: simplehttpserver is synchronous 2012-11-06T13:20:45 it is for local testing 2012-11-06T13:20:54 thestinger: that's kind of bad for a live system :) 2012-11-06T13:21:05 mleise: not meant for one 2012-11-06T13:22:17 it also doesn't come with security checks, so you can load files outisde of the web root 2012-11-06T13:23:23 server online again 2012-11-06T13:24:12 fast 2012-11-06T13:24:36 yes, it seemed to get stuck in the boot sequence somehow 2012-11-06T13:25:37 tsc: what is your algorithm for exploration/spreading? 2012-11-06T13:27:26 Hmm.. how to explain it 2012-11-06T13:28:15 I use a method that I've used previously in logic synthesis to map out paths for all ants 2012-11-06T13:28:18 mleise: anyway I'm using the built-in http server atm for something, and it can serve 500-1300 documents from a git repo per second so it's not *that* bad 2012-11-06T13:28:22 mleise: it's concurrency that kills it 2012-11-06T13:28:47 >15 concurrent requests and it gets crippled :) 2012-11-06T13:28:55 thestinger: im not sure what web.py uses, it might be the built in python server 2012-11-06T13:29:07 bye guys 2012-11-06T13:29:12 when i ^c it, it takes quite some time for it to shut down 2012-11-06T13:29:13 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Quit: UncleVasya) 2012-11-06T13:29:21 well bottle uses the built-in one for development, but has a dozen adapters for proper ones 2012-11-06T13:29:37 im just saying, theres something fishy with it 2012-11-06T13:30:02 mcstar: well it uses wsgi like all the other python ones 2012-11-06T13:30:05 so it can use many servers 2012-11-06T13:30:13 It basically uses astar to pathfind for all ants, recording where all ants are at any turn, initially allowing ants to go through each other but recording collisions, then it redoes the path for all ants involved in collisions, increasing the cost for the collisions in every iteration 2012-11-06T13:30:14 i dont care 2012-11-06T13:30:25 until there are no collisions 2012-11-06T13:30:27 im just saying, that there are problems with the built in server 2012-11-06T13:30:41 (which is not surprising, since it is not meant for other than testing) 2012-11-06T13:30:48 for anything* 2012-11-06T13:31:37 tsc: but how do you make them spread? 2012-11-06T13:31:39 *** Cyndre has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T13:31:45 lets imagine, there is no food 2012-11-06T13:32:00 It also records how many ants can see each square at any time, and prefers to go to places where as few ants as possible can see the same squares... and it gives bonuses for picking up food, and if two ants pick up the same food, that's a collision and will be resolved in the next iteration 2012-11-06T13:32:27 so, you are maximizing visibility of the map? 2012-11-06T13:32:27 I think i've set it to always pathfind for 30 steps forward at the moment 2012-11-06T13:32:34 mcstar: it's pure synchronous python using the socket module 2012-11-06T13:32:40 *** kilae_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T13:32:40 mcstar: :P 2012-11-06T13:32:56 thestinger: it is multithereaded 2012-11-06T13:33:16 Essentially, yes. The ants just spread out naturally since the pathfinding prefers to see squares that other ants don't see 2012-11-06T13:33:19 web.py's default? 2012-11-06T13:33:32 I don't think the http.server reference implementation is 2012-11-06T13:33:34 yes 2012-11-06T13:33:47 ok, then it uses something else 2012-11-06T13:33:49 all that's for is to define the API for the other servers 2012-11-06T13:33:58 so they are all compatible drop-in replacements 2012-11-06T13:34:22 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-06T13:34:58 tsc: i noticed they can follow each other, they spread nicely, and they dont crowd up, or block the hills 2012-11-06T13:35:15 Sometimes my ants run into each other and die for some reason I haven't bothered to debug, but in general it works pretty good 2012-11-06T13:36:05 Combat is just a minimax using max 8 ants i think 2012-11-06T13:37:04 I read xathis post mortem and tried to do combat the same way but I haven't done the crazy optimizations he has 2012-11-06T13:38:57 There is no code to explicitly make them follow each other or anything. They also don't queue up like alot of other bots do in stale combat situations, since the pathfinding can't find a way through, and my ants don't make note of combat hotspots or give any ants special missions or anything 2012-11-06T13:39:49 mcstar: html is weird. 2012-11-06T13:39:54 is a valid time 2012-11-06T13:40:04 time to sleep? 2012-11-06T13:40:12 zulu ;p 2012-11-06T13:40:14 funny 2012-11-06T13:56:16 tsc, smiley1983: I have a new theory. It may be that Opera expects the keep-alive hint to be respected by the server. That would explain why usually follow-up requests time out. 2012-11-06T13:58:38 mleise: That doesn't explain wget being slow. However, wget is fast for me right now. 2012-11-06T13:59:18 tsc: yes I'm ignoring wget right now. How often did you test wget ? 2012-11-06T13:59:28 or how often was it slow 2012-11-06T13:59:35 mleise: I also noticed earlier in Opera Dragonfly that the main page actually loaded quickly, but the page didn't display. There were some requests for some js files that took a while however, and it seemed to wait for that 2012-11-06T14:00:21 wget was always slow for me until now 2012-11-06T14:00:45 didn't test a whole lot 2012-11-06T14:03:07 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-11-06T14:03:08 hmm, but as you say the main page loads quickly and then there are occassional files that take 25 seconds, right? 2012-11-06T14:05:39 Right now, 106.187.94.97:2080 took 15 seconds to load, and jquery-1.2.6.min.js took 25 seconds to load, according to dragonfly 2012-11-06T14:06:07 That time was spend "waiting for response" 2012-11-06T14:09:15 I refreshed, and the main page waited for a response for only 300ms (which is my ping time), but jquery-1.2.6.min.js and jquery.tablesorter.min.js both waited for 25 seconds (24175 and 24985ms) and then favicon took another 24993ms after that 2012-11-06T14:10:01 suspiciously stable at 25 seconds :) 2012-11-06T14:12:41 tsc: I just configured Opera to use only one connection and it works, hmm 2012-11-06T14:14:38 I just copied opera's requests and pasted into netcat and the server is responding instantly every time 2012-11-06T14:15:05 Opera is sending Connection: Keep-Alive, but the server is just closing the connection after it has sent it's data. Shouldn't be a problem 2012-11-06T14:16:01 opera:config#Performance|MaxConnectionsServer 2012-11-06T14:16:40 set this to 1 and watch it work faster, what does that mean ? 2012-11-06T14:18:06 Aha! 2012-11-06T14:18:28 The server seems to only server one connection per ip at the time or something like that 2012-11-06T14:18:52 if i keep a connection open to the server with netcat, even firefox stops responding 2012-11-06T14:19:12 ah, so Firefox and Chrome just use one connection ? 2012-11-06T14:19:15 and then i ctrl+c netcat and firefox loads the page up instantly 2012-11-06T14:19:34 Opera must keep some idle connections in the background 2012-11-06T14:19:44 it does 2012-11-06T14:20:08 opera:config#Performance|ExtraIdleConnections 2012-11-06T14:20:20 Oh, wait 2012-11-06T14:20:23 Actually, it's not even per ip 2012-11-06T14:20:47 If you open a tcp connection to the server, the whole thing freezes and refuses to serve other requests until you close your connection 2012-11-06T14:20:58 100% synchronous :p 2012-11-06T14:21:24 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-11-06T14:21:42 Opera must open a connection to the server, then open another connection and decide to leave the first connection sitting and instead request the page using the second connection! 2012-11-06T14:21:43 did you check from a different machine then ? 2012-11-06T14:21:58 see the config item i posted above 2012-11-06T14:21:58 unfortunate limitation :) 2012-11-06T14:22:00 Yes, I tested from a server in netherland 2012-11-06T14:22:01 uncheck that 2012-11-06T14:22:04 opera:config#Performance|ExtraIdleConnections 2012-11-06T14:22:08 it has been said already, that the web server is synchronous 2012-11-06T14:22:12 change that 2012-11-06T14:22:35 Alright I unticked it 2012-11-06T14:22:48 then it works. and it also helped me to enable the disk cache again ^^ 2012-11-06T14:23:07 i wanted to avoid fragmentation , you know 2012-11-06T14:23:55 is there a drop-in replacement for simpleHTTPserver which can serve multiple connections at once? Or do things need rewriting to fix this? 2012-11-06T14:25:00 I guess my tests using wget was just waiting for my connections in opera to drop, or something along those lines 2012-11-06T14:25:04 mcstar: seeing is believing. 2012-11-06T14:26:07 mcstar & mleise, your names are confusingly similar despite only sharing one, err two, letters 2012-11-06T14:26:21 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T14:26:25 whats the other letter? 2012-11-06T14:26:32 ess! 2012-11-06T14:26:44 "No posts were found because the word protocolocon is not contained in any post." 2012-11-06T14:26:59 Seems remarkable for 3rd ranked player's name 2012-11-06T14:27:39 tsc: we get that a lot, everywhere we go, people are confused about our names 2012-11-06T14:28:42 rofl 2012-11-06T14:29:04 SimpleHTTPServer seems to be a simple version of BaseHTTPServer? 2012-11-06T14:29:08 lol 2012-11-06T14:29:18 id love to work as a 'Penetration Tester' 2012-11-06T14:29:35 Or nevermind, I've no idea what I'm saying. 2012-11-06T14:29:57 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T14:30:54 Seems to be something called CGIHTTPServer too 2012-11-06T14:33:13 Oh darn, did you set up xathis and greentea now? 2012-11-06T14:34:01 I did, but I can take them down if you'd prefer not to have them there :) 2012-11-06T14:34:04 lazarant too 2012-11-06T14:34:34 They're not running on the server, though 2012-11-06T14:35:23 *** tsc_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T14:35:46 No, I don't mind 2012-11-06T14:36:07 Maybe I'll get working and see if I can't beat them 2012-11-06T14:36:33 They'll stop running whenever my connection dies next 2012-11-06T14:36:48 *** elGringo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-11-06T14:37:03 'can't'? 2012-11-06T14:37:20 Isn't that the proper wording? 2012-11-06T14:37:27 see if i can 2012-11-06T14:37:38 *** tsc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-11-06T14:37:39 Are you sure? Sounds better my way 2012-11-06T14:37:39 why would you see if you cant beat them? 2012-11-06T14:37:42 *** tsc_ is now known as tsc 2012-11-06T14:38:01 the what 2012-11-06T14:38:08 this nickname is registered? ..how 2012-11-06T14:38:23 I was just using it, and I sure didn't register it 2012-11-06T14:38:37 then why are you surprised? 2012-11-06T14:39:00 the uh.. shouldn't it have said something sooner? 2012-11-06T14:39:08 maybe it did 2012-11-06T14:39:15 it doesn't rename me? 2012-11-06T14:39:32 i dont think so, if the other guy is not logged in 2012-11-06T14:40:15 can I see the games from the other 'servers', too ? 2012-11-06T14:40:32 e.g. not only the ranks on the beginners ants server? 2012-11-06T14:41:05 Do you mean http://106.187.94.97:2080/? 2012-11-06T14:41:48 ah, so the even numbers are the web page and the odd numbers the game host ? 2012-11-06T14:42:39 That's right 2012-11-06T14:43:06 its probably explained in a forum post somewhere 2012-11-06T14:43:14 someone doesnt bothered with setting up the server properly.... 2012-11-06T14:43:20 Seems likely. 2012-11-06T14:43:24 wtf 2012-11-06T14:43:28 doesnt bothered 2012-11-06T14:43:42 i should stop speaking 2012-11-06T14:43:51 I sure doesn't bothered 2012-11-06T14:44:23 i meant to say 'wasnt', probably 2012-11-06T14:44:47 also, it is good that the tcp server exists at all 2012-11-06T14:44:55 i dont want to push smiley too much :) 2012-11-06T14:45:00 O:-) 2012-11-06T14:45:17 *** ramn[mba] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T14:45:37 he did something useful at least while we were solving sudokus 2012-11-06T14:46:33 wait a minute 2012-11-06T14:46:42 are you saying sudokus arent that important? 2012-11-06T14:46:51 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T14:47:09 it is the best use for template programming! 2012-11-06T14:47:15 XD 2012-11-06T14:48:08 *** ramn[mba] has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-11-06T14:52:32 *** ramn[mba] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T14:53:55 smiley1983: does the tcp server run games with more than 2 players? 2012-11-06T14:56:14 *** ramn[mba] has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-11-06T15:00:47 ... 2012-11-06T15:01:36 tsc: It should, but I haven't seen any yet 2012-11-06T15:01:44 mcstar: 2012-11-06T15:01:47 Thank you for saying that lol.. It's a bit ridiculous to try to blame obama for 15 trillion dollars in debt when he arrived in office at one of the worst times in US history thanks to George W. - Who will be voting Romney. 2012-11-06T15:01:49 wat 2012-11-06T15:01:51 where did that come from 2012-11-06T15:02:08 mcstar: I tried to paste you a link, instead got some stupid youtube comment I selected earlier 2012-11-06T15:02:11 yay 2012-11-06T15:02:16 stupid aurora bug 2012-11-06T15:03:00 yeah, but obama didnt handle things that well 2012-11-06T15:03:08 im sort of disapointed in him 2012-11-06T15:03:31 i dont want to blame him for healthcare issues 2012-11-06T15:03:59 but he didnt put much effort into deverting the crysis 2012-11-06T15:04:02 wat 2012-11-06T15:04:07 where did that come from 2012-11-06T15:04:21 shit, my keyboard was typing without me pushing the buttons 2012-11-06T15:04:27 sorry channel 2012-11-06T15:09:04 i dont deserve even a wink for being super funny? 2012-11-06T15:11:27 mcstar: I meant to paste you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM&feature=youtu.be because it's hilarious 2012-11-06T15:11:50 tsc's revenge on the most cramped map ever: http://li414-97.members.linode.com:2080/replay.962?row=4&col=59&turn=289 2012-11-06T15:12:48 thestinger: sometimes, the systems knows better... 2012-11-06T15:12:54 -s 2012-11-06T15:15:15 hurray 2012-11-06T15:15:19 mcstar: wow "It's nothing to worry about, everything will be OK." 2012-11-06T15:15:30 my bot did well only because my foraging was really good 2012-11-06T15:15:31 best response to such a manipulation ever 2012-11-06T15:15:33 :P 2012-11-06T15:15:48 I wasted a lot of time getting the food clustering and stuff right 2012-11-06T15:16:12 i still think hills look like funny colored anuses 2012-11-06T15:16:24 . 2012-11-06T15:16:28 reminds me of my first goatse 2012-11-06T15:16:37 mleise: That link zooms in really far. It's a huge map, but maybe you meant cramped as in small corridors 2012-11-06T15:16:54 the hills are cramped 2012-11-06T15:17:01 Oh, right 2012-11-06T15:17:32 it's difficult to play this map strategically 2012-11-06T15:17:33 oh, its a huge map 2012-11-06T15:17:43 mleise: you fooled me 2012-11-06T15:18:00 with your magic trick called zoom 2012-11-06T15:19:09 From my limited testing, it seems my bot does better against the top bots when I make it more defensive. Right now it will happily trade one ant for another at any time or day of the week 2012-11-06T15:20:08 I also seem to fall slighly behind on the food gathering in the very early turns and that snowballs to my loss... My ants sometimes fumble around for a few turns while they decide what to do 2012-11-06T15:20:40 It's a pity it doesn't actually seem to be creating matches with more than two players; games with many players drive home the importance of not accepting 1:1 ant losses 2012-11-06T15:21:06 well, you lose territory 2012-11-06T15:21:19 Yes. Does it wait until multiple bots connect? 2012-11-06T15:21:19 *** foRei has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-11-06T15:21:20 your bot is obviously doing really well, though, beating ranks #1 and #2 in some games 2012-11-06T15:21:24 but sometimes, it is advantegeous to die 1on1 2012-11-06T15:21:43 I've never actually looked into the matchmaking system 2012-11-06T15:21:57 Well, in 1v1, if you can trade ants evenly then it's all just about gathering food quicking and gaining map control 2012-11-06T15:22:03 If someone improves it, feel free to submit a pull request to the github page and I'll import the changes 2012-11-06T15:22:08 but if it's not 1v1, then if you trade against multiple players you will fall behind 2012-11-06T15:22:22 I won't think about looking at it until after I've slept, though 2012-11-06T15:23:42 mcstar: I should create more such links, wait a sec... 2012-11-06T15:26:04 smiley1983: Since matches can take several minutes, the server might have to wait for a minute or so until multiple bots connect. At least with very few bots running. 2012-11-06T15:26:33 Oh, it just ran a game with 3 players 2012-11-06T15:29:22 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-06T15:31:06 From memory: occasionally adding an extra bot into the pool so there's one waiting can cause it to be more likely to match larger groups (but then sometimes it splits them up again) 2012-11-06T15:32:29 steam for linux is here :P 2012-11-06T15:32:50 mcstar: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/steam/ (!) 2012-11-06T15:32:59 nice! 2012-11-06T15:33:04 yay 2012-11-06T15:33:14 but i run my stuff with electricity, so... 2012-11-06T15:33:28 heh 2012-11-06T15:36:28 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T15:36:57 thestinger: is hl and hl2 available? 2012-11-06T15:37:04 mcstar: they will be 2012-11-06T15:37:09 l4d2 and tf2 are for sure 2012-11-06T15:37:20 and they are going to port all their legacy games 2012-11-06T15:37:27 ok, so is this still beta/ 2012-11-06T15:37:30 mcstar: yes 2012-11-06T15:37:35 I never have to leave linux again 2012-11-06T15:37:38 then what changed? 2012-11-06T15:37:48 they put a public link to a .deb on the internet? 2012-11-06T15:37:51 :P 2012-11-06T15:38:26 thestinger: there goes your incest theory... 2012-11-06T15:38:28 mcstar: people scrambling to get all the deps working atm, give it another 30 mins 2012-11-06T15:38:38 *** Wren80 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T15:38:53 i dont want to try it 2012-11-06T15:38:58 pffft 2012-11-06T15:39:01 i have a favorite linux game already 2012-11-06T15:39:18 *** coeus has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T15:39:18 tron? 2012-11-06T15:39:30 tux goes fishing? 2012-11-06T15:39:40 thestinger: well, later, if it will work flawlessly, and when i can afford to play, ill defintely welcome a linux version of everything HL related :) 2012-11-06T15:39:48 UrbanTerror 2012-11-06T15:40:03 mcstar: well valve claims it's faster on linux than windows 2012-11-06T15:40:12 mcstar: http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/ 2012-11-06T15:40:18 and the same quality 2012-11-06T15:40:31 they worked with nvidia and intel 2012-11-06T15:40:35 thestinger: youve seen the latest dexter, right? 2012-11-06T15:40:40 yes 2012-11-06T15:40:42 ofc 2012-11-06T15:40:48 my 3 tv shows every sunday >:) 2012-11-06T15:41:32 ok, you just didnt acknowledge my comment :) 2012-11-06T15:41:41 maybe that pffft was it 2012-11-06T15:41:59 ack 2012-11-06T15:42:09 :) 2012-11-06T15:42:13 mcstar: https://github.com/thestinger/wiki :) 2012-11-06T15:42:15 it was a stupid theory 2012-11-06T15:43:08 yes? 2012-11-06T15:43:15 you already showd me that 2012-11-06T15:43:19 showed* 2012-11-06T15:43:29 well it's more complete now 2012-11-06T15:43:36 has the start of an html/form interface in addition to json :P 2012-11-06T15:43:43 https://github.com/thestinger/wiki/blob/master/views/log.html bottle templates are actually kinda nice 2012-11-06T15:44:17 %any embedded python code 2012-11-06T15:44:33 needs a stupid %end tag for now, there's an open bug report about removing it 2012-11-06T15:45:12 *** coeus_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T15:45:42 well, hamlet, cassius, licius and julius are nice also 2012-11-06T15:45:52 http://www.yesodweb.com/book/shakespearean-templates 2012-11-06T15:46:17 pfft safety and sanity 2012-11-06T15:46:30 why do they call it hamlet? :P 2012-11-06T15:46:46 html-h 2012-11-06T15:46:47 haha! http://li414-97.members.linode.com:2080/replay.1001?config={%22cpu%22:1}&decorated=false&data_dir=http://mleise.dnsd.info/data/&row=43&col=19&turn=350 2012-11-06T15:47:26 { } aren't valid chars in urls 2012-11-06T15:47:30 your browser is silly 2012-11-06T15:48:08 *** coius has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T15:48:11 *** coeus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 249 seconds) 2012-11-06T15:48:16 mine is too :( 2012-11-06T15:48:18 *** coius is now known as Guest25280 2012-11-06T15:49:07 not valid? 2012-11-06T15:49:15 what if my name has {} in it? 2012-11-06T15:49:22 they are supposed to be encoded 2012-11-06T15:49:25 %foo 2012-11-06T15:49:48 like %22 for " 2012-11-06T15:50:07 so, i guess it will encode it 2012-11-06T15:50:12 %7B for {, %7D for } 2012-11-06T15:50:17 you can type links with spaces, and it will encode them 2012-11-06T15:50:23 mcstar: it will but it shouldn't show it in the address bar or copy it like that :) 2012-11-06T15:50:32 it encoded the quotes 2012-11-06T15:50:36 thestinger: mleise wrote that by hand 2012-11-06T15:50:43 he copied the rest 2012-11-06T15:50:54 well, Opera did encode the " 2012-11-06T15:50:57 () are valid chars in urls, on the other hand 2012-11-06T15:51:17 *** coeus_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-11-06T15:51:27 mleise: why the said face? 2012-11-06T15:51:36 because the hill was killed 2012-11-06T15:51:47 also, can you do something with the open wholes of rectums? 2012-11-06T15:51:50 -w 2012-11-06T15:52:07 one just pooped a blue circle 2012-11-06T15:52:22 no, I cannot do anything about your phantasy 2012-11-06T15:52:34 but I added letter overlays for color blind people 2012-11-06T15:53:01 :( 2012-11-06T15:54:42 http://li414-97.members.linode.com:2080/replay.1001?config={%22label%22:1}&data_dir=http://mleise.dnsd.info/data/&row=43&col=19&turn=350 2012-11-06T15:56:30 mcstar: you are free to upload a cooler ant hill though :) 2012-11-06T15:56:45 *** coeus_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T15:57:00 maybe i will 2012-11-06T15:57:31 *** iglo has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T15:59:26 SOM is interesting 2012-11-06T16:00:11 *** Guest25280 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-06T16:00:50 actually I like the lava look for a change 2012-11-06T16:05:32 *** coeus has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T16:07:51 *** coeus_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2012-11-06T16:09:05 first time i wanted to thumbs up something: 2012-11-06T16:09:11 You must have a channel in order to leave comments. 2012-11-06T16:09:43 mcstar: yup they're jerks 2012-11-06T16:10:16 comment was: if you are the 696492nd viewver, thumbs up 2012-11-06T16:10:18 and i was 2012-11-06T16:10:27 so i wanted to thumb it up 2012-11-06T16:16:19 *** coeus_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T16:19:36 *** coeus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-06T16:30:40 *** ramn[mba] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T16:39:02 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T16:42:14 *** kilae_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-06T16:48:53 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-11-06T16:50:37 *** kilae_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T16:50:50 mcstar: it works! 2012-11-06T16:51:01 \o/ 2012-11-06T16:51:06 mcstar: will give you a screenshot of the "beautiful" aliased fonts in a sec 2012-11-06T16:51:12 it's very beta :P 2012-11-06T16:51:19 hardcoded path to firefox instead of $BROWSER 2012-11-06T16:51:36 you finished that iphone stripper app? 2012-11-06T16:52:00 *** coius has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T16:52:10 *** coius is now known as Guest2986 2012-11-06T16:52:15 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-06T16:55:10 *** coeus_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2012-11-06T16:57:07 still no screenie... 2012-11-06T16:59:21 *** coeus_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T16:59:31 *** Guest2986 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-11-06T17:12:42 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-06T17:15:53 thestinger: waiting 2012-11-06T17:15:56 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-11-06T17:16:09 mcstar: http://ompldr.org/vZzY1YQ 2012-11-06T17:16:15 that was fast 2012-11-06T17:17:21 multiwinia 2012-11-06T17:17:29 must be good 2012-11-06T17:17:38 i played through darwinia 2012-11-06T17:18:07 i have defcon and uplink already 2012-11-06T17:18:24 i didnt know steam sold them 2012-11-06T17:19:48 thestinger: aliasing is not the problem 2012-11-06T17:19:58 but letter spacing 2012-11-06T17:20:40 hm, maybe those are bitmapped fonts? 2012-11-06T17:20:52 dunno 2012-11-06T17:20:56 they use an internal freetype I guess 2012-11-06T17:21:00 and it doesn't play well on arch atm 2012-11-06T17:21:15 mcstar: that's just a list of my games that run on linux 2012-11-06T17:21:17 ck2 is awesome btw :P 2012-11-06T17:21:20 i think they need different scaling, thats all 2012-11-06T17:21:32 *** kilae_ has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]) 2012-11-06T17:21:41 sounds medieval 2012-11-06T17:22:00 it's a fancy marriage simulator 2012-11-06T17:22:19 cursader kings 2? 2012-11-06T17:22:23 it's good to be an earl, you get to reproduce with your daughter-in-laws 2012-11-06T17:22:36 mcstar: yes 2012-11-06T17:22:41 lolwut? 2012-11-06T17:22:48 half-kidding with the 'marriage simulator' part 2012-11-06T17:22:55 oh 2012-11-06T17:23:02 *** loglog has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-06T17:23:04 i get it now 2012-11-06T17:23:04 mcstar: it has a *lot* of amazing intrigue/diplomacy 2012-11-06T17:23:15 mcstar: you are a person - not some spirit guiding a nation 2012-11-06T17:23:18 *** loglog has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T17:23:21 there's a whole feudal system 2012-11-06T17:23:21 *** loglog has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-06T17:23:24 when do you have the time to play these shitty games? XD 2012-11-06T17:23:35 I haven't for a while 2012-11-06T17:23:39 *** loglog has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T17:23:43 but I can remove windows when victoria 2 is ported to linux too :D 2012-11-06T17:23:43 *** loglog has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-06T17:23:58 *** loglog has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T17:42:46 *** dici has quit IRC (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 2012-11-06T17:48:08 *** coius has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T17:48:19 *** coius is now known as Guest86505 2012-11-06T17:48:44 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T17:51:39 *** coeus_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-11-06T17:57:30 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2012-11-06T18:03:59 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-11-06T18:35:58 *** ramn[mba] has quit IRC (Quit: ramn[mba]) 2012-11-06T18:38:25 *** Scooper has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-11-06T19:01:59 *** coeus_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T19:05:14 *** Guest86505 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-11-06T19:18:12 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-11-06T19:19:13 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T19:25:48 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-06T19:26:33 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T19:27:39 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2012-11-06T19:35:14 *** iglo has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-06T19:47:26 *** coius has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T19:47:37 *** coius is now known as Guest73678 2012-11-06T19:50:04 *** coeus_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-06T19:54:57 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-11-06T19:56:13 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T20:02:47 *** Guest73678 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-06T20:04:28 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-06T20:05:32 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T20:12:52 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-11-06T20:13:54 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T20:16:17 *** Guest73678 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T20:20:24 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-06T20:21:12 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T20:31:23 *** tsc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-11-06T20:37:49 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-11-06T20:39:48 *** coeus_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T20:42:12 *** Guest73678 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-11-06T20:45:05 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T21:58:50 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T21:58:51 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-11-06T22:28:17 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-06T22:33:08 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T23:08:01 *** coius has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T23:08:13 *** coius is now known as Guest86382 2012-11-06T23:10:11 *** coeus_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-06T23:20:33 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T23:28:47 Tron with single player maps only: http://li414-97.members.linode.com:2086/ 2012-11-06T23:29:14 Tron with multiplayer maps (currently only one agent per player): http://li414-97.members.linode.com:2088/ 2012-11-06T23:38:57 When I say "single player" I actually mean "two players, single agent" 2012-11-06T23:40:43 ha! I can stil 2012-11-06T23:40:50 l win on those servers 2012-11-06T23:41:02 test01 is the best bot 2012-11-06T23:50:37 *** coeus_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-06T23:50:56 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-11-06T23:53:41 *** Guest86382 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)