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fixing linux?\ 2012-11-08T09:41:09 oh, ignore my bad grammer 2012-11-08T09:41:14 i drunk a lot of coffee 2012-11-08T09:41:55 smiley1983: im at the computer, where i planned to host tcp games 2012-11-08T09:41:58 from 2012-11-08T09:42:20 but i cant accept incoming connections 2012-11-08T09:42:37 i wanted to do this, before the contest started, not now 2012-11-08T09:43:12 does connecting from localhost to localhost work? 2012-11-08T09:43:14 it sucks a little, since you cant even host your own webserver 2012-11-08T09:43:27 smiley1983: what do you mean? 2012-11-08T09:43:59 you say you can't accept incoming connections - can you connect a bot to the tcpserver locally? 2012-11-08T09:44:07 the intranet is unrestricted, if that what you are asking 2012-11-08T09:44:41 are you wanting help with getting it working, or just saying that it doesn't? :) 2012-11-08T09:44:47 2nd 2012-11-08T09:44:50 :) 2012-11-08T09:44:55 Right :) 2012-11-08T09:45:13 im just saying i wish it worked 2012-11-08T09:45:19 lol 2012-11-08T09:45:21 but they take security seriously 2012-11-08T09:45:26 i can understand that though 2012-11-08T09:45:39 I understand now 2012-11-08T09:45:54 we can only connect to our machines by tunneling through ssh hosts 2012-11-08T09:49:28 im trying to fix fancontrol, the fan is too loud 2012-11-08T09:50:15 i love linux, but every now and then some little annoying problem pops up 2012-11-08T09:50:43 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-08T09:53:28 *** kilae_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T09:54:16 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2012-11-08T09:55:02 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T09:56:11 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-08T10:00:34 smiley1983: how long are you planning to keep the tcp server up? 2012-11-08T10:01:03 days/weeks/indefinite? 2012-11-08T10:03:27 voting for years/indefinite 2012-11-08T10:03:46 *** pairofdice has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T10:04:20 s/voting/hoping 2012-11-08T10:04:37 antimatroidl: are you planning to work on a tron bot? 2012-11-08T10:05:00 nop 2012-11-08T10:05:02 no time 2012-11-08T10:05:17 thats not an excuse 2012-11-08T10:05:49 i would like to, but it's not going to happen 2012-11-08T10:05:50 *** ecidforiap has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-08T10:05:55 i get it 2012-11-08T10:06:01 i can't casually work on a bot either :( 2012-11-08T10:06:04 it's all or nothing 2012-11-08T10:06:05 i just got some things to do for a paper 2012-11-08T10:06:14 soo, im busy too 2012-11-08T10:06:19 :D 2012-11-08T10:06:24 but if there would be competition for tron... 2012-11-08T10:08:43 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-11-08T10:12:56 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T10:16:07 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T10:16:07 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-11-08T10:16:23 *** kilae_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-08T10:21:02 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-11-08T10:22:43 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T10:23:58 *** Wren80[work] has quit IRC (Quit: Wren80[work]) 2012-11-08T10:25:04 *** Wren80[work] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T10:30:34 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T10:31:10 *** eric___ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T10:37:54 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T11:15:15 http://li414-97.members.linode.com:2080/ down again 2012-11-08T11:16:57 make planet wars server 2012-11-08T11:17:28 Seems to be working now 2012-11-08T11:18:46 I would like to see a planetwars game engine, but won't make it myself yet - if someone else wants to do it before I get around to it, I will be happy to host it 2012-11-08T11:20:37 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T11:23:03 mcstar: in response to your question before, it is safe to say the server will stay up for another month or two; beyond that will depend on how much it gets used and whether my attention has drifted elsewhere 2012-11-08T11:24:05 smiley1983: would it be easy to pass along the responsibility, 2012-11-08T11:24:18 when you can't host it anymore 2012-11-08T11:24:21 No point in putting it up just for a couple of weeks, though. If it's to work, it needs time to gather the critical mass of players so you always get a real opponent 2012-11-08T11:26:59 ramn[work]: it's very easy to set up a single TCP + webserver; I've done a bit of extra configuration, obviously, to link everything to one home page. The tarball of all the servers would probably be less than 20MB, so if I make that available, anyone could extract it on a new server, edit a few files to point to the new host, and run the script to start all the servers 2012-11-08T11:27:28 smiley1983: great 2012-11-08T11:27:57 does it take alot of cpu/memory? 2012-11-08T11:28:33 Also, you probably know already, but the code behind the server is available here: https://github.com/smiley1983/ants-tcp/tree/tron 2012-11-08T11:28:47 Not much of either 2012-11-08T11:30:23 The server only has 512MB RAM, currently all "used" but about 128MB cached and actually free 2012-11-08T11:31:01 only python code? 2012-11-08T11:31:52 if only python, and if it runs ok on 512 MiB RAM, then it should be possible to host for free on Heroku 2012-11-08T11:32:24 oh no, you can't since you need to listen to different ports :( 2012-11-08T11:32:58 one server could be run on port 80 perhaps 2012-11-08T11:35:08 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-08T11:37:34 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-08T11:39:45 ramn[work], you can't run servers on arbitrary ports with heroku, iirc 2012-11-08T11:41:23 *** mlp has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-11-08T11:42:19 g0llum: yea just remembered that. You only get port 80. 2012-11-08T11:42:28 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T11:43:08 well i tried that idea a year ago ;( 2012-11-08T11:44:10 ok! 2012-11-08T11:44:24 hoping to be able to run the bot from heroku though 2012-11-08T11:44:49 yes, that will work 2012-11-08T11:46:06 you might need to do the socket stuff from inside the bot, instead of subprocessing another python 2012-11-08T11:46:27 Running the web- and tcp- servers on separate machines would require them to find each other to share database info 2012-11-08T11:47:05 Also it calls PHP scripts for trueskill (could be changed to python now, I think) and also launches apache2 instances 2012-11-08T11:47:07 yea I'm in the process of porting the tcp script 2012-11-08T11:48:00 ramn[work], ;) 2012-11-08T11:48:12 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-11-08T11:48:33 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T11:48:56 seems heroku is the perfect fit as a bot runner 2012-11-08T11:49:11 g0llum: have you run bots from heroku? 2012-11-08T11:49:24 irc ones ;) 2012-11-08T11:51:46 ramn[work]: python ? (for the heroku bot) 2012-11-08T11:52:33 I'm doing my bot in scala 2012-11-08T11:52:48 ahh ;) 2012-11-08T11:59:51 did you need any special setup for heroku, aka buildpacks ? or is it only installing some jars ? 2012-11-08T12:00:15 it is very easy with scala, 2012-11-08T12:00:24 it is one of the supported languages at heroku 2012-11-08T12:00:36 just a procfile pointing to a main class 2012-11-08T12:00:50 ah, ok. i see 2012-11-08T12:02:45 *** Wren80[work] has quit IRC (Quit: Wren80[work]) 2012-11-08T12:07:48 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T12:09:20 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-11-08T12:09:34 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T12:10:08 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T12:15:54 *** epicmonkey_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-08T12:45:12 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T12:45:12 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-11-08T12:45:21 *** iglo has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T13:08:03 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-11-08T13:32:01 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T13:38:11 *** epicmonkey_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T13:42:07 *** jacob_strauss has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T14:02:19 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-11-08T14:03:55 *** tsc has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T14:04:27 *** kilae_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T14:06:11 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-08T14:10:17 *** ecidforiap has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T14:11:56 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T14:12:03 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-08T14:13:45 Never heard about heroku, but the tcp server could be modified to run over http, to run it together with the web server at port 80 2012-11-08T14:19:56 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T14:25:00 tsc, it's not about the port, more about the http overhead (http being a one-shot connection) 2012-11-08T14:26:40 I think it would be feasible with a sufficiently lightweight server 2012-11-08T14:26:52 multiple requests can be sent and received using one connection 2012-11-08T14:34:00 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T14:38:27 iirc, with http, server can send out multiple items(think multipart-forms), but receive only one request 2012-11-08T14:38:50 you can submit multi-part forms with a POST to a server 2012-11-08T14:39:02 think he's talking about multiplexing the http connections though (pipelining) 2012-11-08T14:39:23 but that's what SPDY is all about anyway (which will become http 2.0 from the looks of their mailing list) 2012-11-08T14:39:33 thestinger, like what ? 2012-11-08T14:39:43 g0llum: well http 1.1 added pipelining 2012-11-08T14:39:53 you can send multiple http requests over 1 tcp connection 2012-11-08T14:39:53 oh, .. 2012-11-08T14:40:17 ah, ok, missed thet ;) 2012-11-08T14:42:25 before pipelining you could still reuse a connection, but you had to wait for a response before sending a req 2012-11-08T14:43:03 anyway don't think sockets have much overhead 2012-11-08T14:45:27 thesinger, so : your number [0,100] for the currnet tcp-protocol being reimplemented via http: ? 2012-11-08T14:47:20 like 'score', is it feasible ? 2012-11-08T14:50:13 is it worth the effort ? 2012-11-08T14:50:49 why? :P 2012-11-08T14:51:03 it would be better to write a sane server in a proper language with lightweight threads :P 2012-11-08T14:52:02 can easily spawn 200k threads in those languages without eating all the memory/resources 2012-11-08T14:52:05 and that's overkill :) 2012-11-08T15:12:51 thestinger: so you are a TCP expert, too? 2012-11-08T15:13:04 :P 2012-11-08T15:13:17 mleise: it's not my fault I remember these things. :) 2012-11-08T15:13:32 but do you know who is the president of the united states? 2012-11-08T15:13:39 ofc 2012-11-08T15:14:14 and I can name every country in europe from an unlabelled map (thanks, grand strategy games) 2012-11-08T15:14:21 O.o 2012-11-08T15:14:27 capital of Iran? 2012-11-08T15:14:33 pfft that's too easy 2012-11-08T15:14:39 ok, Togo ? 2012-11-08T15:14:44 dunno :P 2012-11-08T15:14:47 I'm no good at cities 2012-11-08T15:14:59 sh finally, it's Lome 2012-11-08T15:15:07 *ah 2012-11-08T15:15:32 top-right most country on a Risk board ? 2012-11-08T15:15:55 I haven't played risk in ages :P 2012-11-08T15:16:20 if you name regions in germany I can find them on a map though 2012-11-08T15:16:21 oh by strategy games you mean europa universalis? 2012-11-08T15:16:39 yes 2012-11-08T15:16:47 I'm tired of eu3 though - too arcadey 2012-11-08T15:16:55 I still love vicky2 and ck2 2012-11-08T15:17:05 eu3 is booooooring outside of multiplayer 2012-11-08T15:17:48 * thestinger is in the steam private beta for linux, but not the crusader kings 2 linux private beta 2012-11-08T15:17:50 :( 2012-11-08T15:18:01 I quite liked Total War for it's epic 3D battles, but they tend to add a lot of detail to the gameplay that doesn't really have an effect. 2012-11-08T15:18:18 medieval 2 total war was the peak of that series 2012-11-08T15:18:20 like -1% to corruption if this guy is managing a city 2012-11-08T15:18:25 really epic battles, really awesome melee combat 2012-11-08T15:18:32 but their actually strategy map thing has always sucked 2012-11-08T15:18:39 and they ruined the battles too with the recent games. 2012-11-08T15:18:40 yes, I keep playing it with Third Age Total War 2012-11-08T15:19:07 eu3 I feel is just too shallow - there isn't enough to do 2012-11-08T15:19:24 ck2 and vicky2 are much more in-depth, but at the same time you can be more hands-off if you want 2012-11-08T15:19:42 I met one of the devs of the Napoleon style game. Seems they reinvented seasons. At least he didn't know there was summer and winter in previous games 2012-11-08T15:20:03 and fuck hoi3 - that game is like 12 hours of micromanangement for 20 days of in-game time 2012-11-08T15:20:53 Civilization - Call to Power was flawed by the annoying lawyers ^^ 2012-11-08T15:21:51 I'll be so happy when I have ck2 on linux though :) 2012-11-08T15:21:56 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T15:22:12 127.0.0.1, sweet 127.0.0.1 2012-11-08T15:23:09 means they ported their engine so they better get victoria 2 working too 2012-11-08T15:23:10 can somebody tell me the difftime of me logging out and back in? 2012-11-08T15:23:49 13:06:15 <-- | mcstar (~mcstar@szfkipc72.szfki.kfki.hu) has quit (Quit: leaving) 2012-11-08T15:23:54 15:20:08 --> | mcstar (~mcstar@adsl-89-132-22-1.monradsl.monornet.hu) has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T15:23:55 *** epicmonkey_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-11-08T15:24:27 thanks 2012-11-08T15:24:38 thats how long it takes for me to commute 2012-11-08T15:24:41 roughly 2012-11-08T15:25:58 so tf2 and friends run on linux now 2012-11-08T15:26:27 mcstar: someone I knew turned out to be a valve employee and added me to the official private beta :) 2012-11-08T15:26:41 great 2012-11-08T15:26:47 free work for them 2012-11-08T15:27:06 it is a crime, that users test out bugs 2012-11-08T15:27:16 they give us free games. 2012-11-08T15:27:28 ok, but what if you die in the process? 2012-11-08T15:27:28 they don't look any good though 2012-11-08T15:27:34 serious sam 3 2012-11-08T15:29:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vS25qz8ig4 - 3:40 2012-11-08T15:29:17 o/ 2012-11-08T15:29:53 \o 2012-11-08T15:29:54 mleise: have you played ck2? 2012-11-08T15:30:00 nope 2012-11-08T15:30:20 it is basically a marriage game 2012-11-08T15:30:26 ^ 2012-11-08T15:30:31 XD 2012-11-08T15:30:37 infidelity simulator 2012-11-08T15:30:55 but really, it's a feudal system simulator :P 2012-11-08T15:31:31 mcstar: http://ckiiwiki.com/Advanced_Marriage_(Guide) 2012-11-08T15:32:14 I learned not to marry off my heir to women who like *me* though 2012-11-08T15:32:17 Landed Females are Dumb 2012-11-08T15:32:19 have to be careful with that 2012-11-08T15:32:43 that is absolutely pathetic 2012-11-08T15:32:48 at least would be, if i played 2012-11-08T15:32:55 i need a real life, seriously 2012-11-08T15:32:57 anyway it's awesome 2012-11-08T15:33:03 I love killing off my family members 2012-11-08T15:33:30 mcstar: you are actually an individual in the game 2012-11-08T15:34:00 and there are ten thousand other individuals 2012-11-08T15:34:09 my subjects? 2012-11-08T15:34:13 well and your lords 2012-11-08T15:34:24 i have 3 billion subjects! 2012-11-08T15:34:30 peasants - they are not relevant 2012-11-08T15:34:35 lol, you might not get the reference 2012-11-08T15:34:38 courtiers is the lowest tier (unlanded nobles) 2012-11-08T15:34:39 have you watched farscape? 2012-11-08T15:34:41 yes 2012-11-08T15:34:44 but too long ago 2012-11-08T15:35:01 barons, mayors, bishops - the tier that runs castles/cities/churches 2012-11-08T15:35:13 but bishops will swear fealty to the pope instead of you if they like him more 2012-11-08T15:35:56 do you remember that little thing, i forgot its name 2012-11-08T15:36:00 then there are earls (they have titles on counties - which contain castles/cities/churches) 2012-11-08T15:36:08 dukes (they are titled with duchies) 2012-11-08T15:36:12 kings (kingdoms :P) 2012-11-08T15:36:17 and emperors 2012-11-08T15:36:17 he was a ruler of his subjects 2012-11-08T15:36:36 *** cyphase has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-08T15:36:40 i think he was some kind of amphibian 2012-11-08T15:36:45 I like starting as an irish earl and ending up owning ~80% of ireland myself 2012-11-08T15:36:54 from 1 county -> 12 2012-11-08T15:37:00 duke of various places 2012-11-08T15:37:03 king of ireland 2012-11-08T15:37:12 then kill off scotland and declare yourself emperor of britannia :P 2012-11-08T15:37:38 and then your king dies and you take over as your crippled spawn of incest son 2012-11-08T15:37:41 and it all falls apart. 2012-11-08T15:38:10 there is incest in the game? :-/ 2012-11-08T15:38:19 crazy shit 2012-11-08T15:38:23 yes ofc 2012-11-08T15:38:30 there is also polygamy 2012-11-08T15:38:46 muslim rulers are basically expected to marry multiple wives, depending on their status 2012-11-08T15:38:49 not crazy, just old 2012-11-08T15:38:56 mleise: it's so awesome 2012-11-08T15:39:01 lets say your wife dies, and you remarry 2012-11-08T15:39:10 so now you have some 16 year old wife shipped from norway 2012-11-08T15:39:17 and you're a 60 year old man 2012-11-08T15:39:21 with 5 children already 2012-11-08T15:39:32 your new wife might decide to start plotting to kill off your children 2012-11-08T15:39:39 phone 2012-11-08T15:39:43 any person in the game is basically another player 2012-11-08T15:39:45 your wife, your kids, etc. 2012-11-08T15:39:54 they can all start plots, hold titles, etc. 2012-11-08T15:40:18 anyway wives often kill off the children from the earlier marriage (it's historical! and hysterical?) 2012-11-08T15:40:55 so I usually appoint my wife to the council as the spymaster and send her off to alexandria to steal tech 2012-11-08T15:41:01 and then she rots in a prison cell 2012-11-08T15:41:09 easy to get new wives that way 2012-11-08T15:41:21 kill off the old, find a new one with better genes 2012-11-08T15:41:38 the ones with the 'quick' and 'genius' traits that actually have reasonable attributes are hard to find 2012-11-08T15:41:55 mcstar: you should play it :P 2012-11-08T15:42:14 we have different concepts of fun 2012-11-08T15:42:28 for me, flickshots with a sniper rifle are fun 2012-11-08T15:42:55 victoria 2 is fun too - but there it's the usual you play as a nation thing 2012-11-08T15:43:20 but for that, *every* person in the country is simulated as 'pops' 2012-11-08T15:43:46 since it's all about victorian-era social upheaval, civil wars, revolutions, etc. :P 2012-11-08T15:44:03 stupid factory works can never be appeased 2012-11-08T15:44:23 mcstar: I used to like games like tf2 - got tired of it 2012-11-08T15:46:39 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-08T15:46:43 *** cyphase has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T15:54:55 *** cyphase has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded) 2012-11-08T15:59:14 well, then go to sleep, and play again 2012-11-08T15:59:30 that was my daily routine for a while :) 2012-11-08T16:00:14 hmm, my father's telephone/internet connection is gone 2012-11-08T16:00:38 isn't that horrible. i mean NO INTERNET 2012-11-08T16:01:23 your father is a youtube junkie, or what? 2012-11-08T16:01:29 lol 2012-11-08T16:01:37 ive seen an old timer on the tram today 2012-11-08T16:01:48 he was using his iphone like a pro 2012-11-08T16:02:18 must have been at least 70 years old 2012-11-08T16:10:10 no he was selling a motor on youtube and does bank transactions over the internet 2012-11-08T16:10:55 I wonder if it is fun to drive a virtual truck for hours over virtual european roads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6sdzrMMAKg&feature=related 2012-11-08T16:12:29 kind of silly 2012-11-08T16:12:35 since you can get paid for it 2012-11-08T16:12:37 could* 2012-11-08T16:15:47 yeah, like these war game simulations. you could get paid to shoot these people by a real army. 2012-11-08T16:17:14 nono, the opposite 2012-11-08T16:17:15 but something is fishy about that truck game... in 45 minutes he travels from berlin to london and the sun sets and rises again 2012-11-08T16:17:24 you play those, since you cant do that in real life 2012-11-08T16:17:48 but why play sim city? or ck2 or whatnot, that you can do 2012-11-08T16:17:57 ok, ck2 is different 2012-11-08T16:18:05 alright, what about flight simulators? 2012-11-08T16:18:06 you actually rule people 2012-11-08T16:18:15 well, yeah, that i can understnad 2012-11-08T16:18:31 only a few ppl can afford to fly a plane 2012-11-08T16:19:29 or have the qualifications. i think the tests filter many candidates out 2012-11-08T16:19:45 like reaction and sight tests and the like 2012-11-08T16:21:06 oh I feel silly. I was waiting for the ferry section, but there is that tunnel to england of course 2012-11-08T16:21:43 hm? 2012-11-08T16:21:55 are you playing something? 2012-11-08T16:22:30 lol, he's horning at a car that switches the lane right in front of him and the driver speeds up. so much love to the details ^^ 2012-11-08T16:22:42 no I'm watching parts of that video above 2012-11-08T16:24:19 I'm actually surprised such a nieche game is so well done 2012-11-08T16:25:18 well, if you dont have an objection 2012-11-08T16:25:25 im gonna watch the matrix 2012-11-08T16:25:40 again? no ... no objections. take the blue pill 2012-11-08T16:26:05 ok, now I see they just *skipped* to england with a loading screen -.- 2012-11-08T16:30:20 Job completet - EXCELLENT - Sugar delivered from Berlin to London. (you may feel like a virtual hero now) 2012-11-08T16:31:06 mleise: can you play with roadside prostitues? 2012-11-08T16:31:24 i could imagine, that is the selling point of that game 2012-11-08T16:32:02 :D I haven't seem that much love to the detail yet 2012-11-08T16:32:17 not even a camping car 2012-11-08T16:42:37 *** kilae_ has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]) 2012-11-08T16:44:48 *** ecidforiap has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-11-08T16:46:38 *** jacob_strauss has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-08T17:07:39 *** tobel has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T17:08:20 *** ramn[mba] has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T17:17:52 i changed my prompt 2012-11-08T17:18:05 mcstar . stargate . 11:25 . ~ 2012-11-08T17:18:21 idk 2012-11-08T17:18:31 doesnt typecheck, i should lift the operators 2012-11-08T17:18:44 mcstar <*> stargate <*> 11:25 <$> ~ 2012-11-08T17:20:04 is it haskell night 2012-11-08T17:20:36 mcstar - stargate - 11:27 | ~ 2012-11-08T17:20:41 how about this? 2012-11-08T17:21:29 i should just go with a simple $ 2012-11-08T17:21:36 but that doesnt tell me what machine im on 2012-11-08T17:21:56 i woder if the time display is actually useful 2012-11-08T17:22:09 probably it isnt 2012-11-08T17:25:46 < mcstar >< stargate >< 11:33 >< ~ > 2012-11-08T17:28:15 alright, im gonna stick to this 2012-11-08T17:29:00 what a waste of line space 2012-11-08T17:29:43 hm? 2012-11-08T17:30:07 that goes into a separate li ne 2012-11-08T17:30:14 my input starts after a newline 2012-11-08T17:30:42 i hate when my input doesnt start from the far left side 2012-11-08T17:30:57 > this is the prompt 2012-11-08T17:30:59 and now i type 2012-11-08T17:32:35 i have to understand dns 2012-11-08T17:33:09 is it possible to set hostname on a local network from the client side? 2012-11-08T17:33:16 i.e. theres a dhcp and a dns server 2012-11-08T17:33:27 now, how do i set my hostname 2012-11-08T17:33:49 does setting the local hostname have any effectr network wide? 2012-11-08T17:34:45 if not, i'd have to set a static address 2012-11-08T17:35:08 mleise: ? 2012-11-08T17:35:17 ? 2012-11-08T17:35:25 do you know the answer? 2012-11-08T17:35:53 I don't know the answer 2012-11-08T17:36:04 well, thanks for reading it 2012-11-08T17:36:17 I do know that my DSL router can set the local domain for the network 2012-11-08T17:36:51 and you can pass your host name to it during the DHCP query 2012-11-08T17:37:16 so _maybe_ that does the job 2012-11-08T17:37:18 maybe 2012-11-08T17:37:21 probably 2012-11-08T17:37:39 also, this is a dhcp server running on a pc 2012-11-08T17:37:49 not a special router 2012-11-08T17:37:55 but that shouldnt be a problem 2012-11-08T17:37:59 well 2012-11-08T17:38:02 no it shouldn't :) 2012-11-08T17:38:18 maybe that could be a problem, that the dhcp server and the dns server are two different machines 2012-11-08T17:38:37 *** ramn[mba] has quit IRC (Quit: ramn[mba]) 2012-11-08T17:38:54 (at least, they have different ips, i dont really know if they are different) 2012-11-08T17:39:08 I need to put my prompt on a separate line 2012-11-08T17:39:12 im afraid, that if i ask thestinger, he will know the anser 2012-11-08T17:39:29 "strcat@thinktank i ~/projects/wiki master % " 2012-11-08T17:39:30 thestinger: ofc you do, it is inevitable 2012-11-08T17:39:31 too long :P 2012-11-08T17:39:44 thestinger: also, it is much better/nicer 2012-11-08T17:39:53 "user@host vimode dir git_branch prompt " 2012-11-08T17:39:57 to start the row from the far left every time 2012-11-08T17:40:00 yeah 2012-11-08T17:40:19 thestinger: can you help me with setting the hostname? 2012-11-08T17:40:26 ? 2012-11-08T17:40:34 hostnamectl set-hostname foobar 2012-11-08T17:40:36 :P 2012-11-08T17:40:48 yeah, but im wondering if that has any effect local area wide 2012-11-08T17:40:53 yes 2012-11-08T17:40:59 there are two hostnames too. 2012-11-08T17:41:00 how does that work? 2012-11-08T17:41:05 *** iglo has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-11-08T17:41:12 well there's /etc/hostname, which is the classic networking/*nix hostname 2012-11-08T17:41:21 and there's /etc/machine-info where PRETTY_HOSTNAME can be set 2012-11-08T17:41:22 does it talk to the dns server? 2012-11-08T17:41:27 mcstar: no not dns 2012-11-08T17:41:31 dhcp, yes 2012-11-08T17:41:37 why dhcp? 2012-11-08T17:41:44 because it leases an ip from dhcp 2012-11-08T17:41:46 dhcp doesnt do name resolution 2012-11-08T17:41:47 and tells it the hostname 2012-11-08T17:42:04 there's no way to tell a dns server anything 2012-11-08T17:42:08 the protocol doesn't handle it 2012-11-08T17:42:11 ok 2012-11-08T17:42:14 dnsmasq is dhcp + dns server 2012-11-08T17:42:22 dhcp is what is told the hostname 2012-11-08T17:42:42 thestinger: but then, how can i tell other machines on the network, what my hostname is? 2012-11-08T17:42:48 if i cant touch the dns server 2012-11-08T17:43:23 *** Scooper has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-11-08T17:43:23 why can't you touch the dns server? 2012-11-08T17:43:40 because 2012-11-08T17:43:43 mcstar: if your hostname is set in /etc/hostname, whatever you lease the address from is told about it 2012-11-08T17:43:51 and it can choose to serve it over dns 2012-11-08T17:43:55 it doesn't have to 2012-11-08T17:44:36 ok 2012-11-08T17:44:48 ill try 2012-11-08T17:44:57 i mean it is set, but ill see if it works 2012-11-08T17:45:19 no 2012-11-08T17:46:15 your router does know about it though 2012-11-08T17:46:25 you need to tell me about your network setup before I can tell you anything useful 2012-11-08T17:46:27 :P 2012-11-08T17:46:41 idk much about it 2012-11-08T17:46:54 well what do you have, a router? 2012-11-08T17:46:55 i think there are two different machines doing dns and dhcp 2012-11-08T17:46:58 and what exactly is the goal? 2012-11-08T17:47:01 are you at work? 2012-11-08T17:47:05 no 2012-11-08T17:47:14 but the machines are where i 'work' 2012-11-08T17:47:36 i can certainly make it work, if im there physically 2012-11-08T17:47:47 but i was wondering if i can make it work otherwise 2012-11-08T17:47:57 there is an ip range, that is static 2012-11-08T17:48:05 but i forget what range, but i can guess 2012-11-08T17:48:15 that range is not served over dhcp 2012-11-08T17:48:22 so, ill choose an ip from that 2012-11-08T17:49:35 it is quite stupid, that we reach our machines on the lan via ip addresses 2012-11-08T17:49:59 http://open.spotify.com/album/4UPS24Q2suxDzPkrxP6PAj 2012-11-08T17:50:02 nice 2012-11-08T17:51:12 thestinger: the machines run openbsd with all probability 2012-11-08T17:52:57 thestinger: hostname -f gives back the correct hostname, but takes quite some time 2012-11-08T17:53:01 what does that mean? 2012-11-08T17:53:34 I know, I know! It's a timeout 2012-11-08T17:53:42 ha! faster than thestinger 2012-11-08T17:53:48 timeout? 2012-11-08T17:54:01 uh... thestinger, can you help ? 2012-11-08T17:54:12 arguing with someone on the internet 2012-11-08T17:54:14 se 2012-11-08T17:54:16 c 2012-11-08T17:54:23 #archlinux? 2012-11-08T17:54:28 #archlinux-offtopic 2012-11-08T17:54:38 ok it's done, they gave up 2012-11-08T17:58:06 *** coeus has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T17:59:52 mcstar: well you can reserve a dhcp address 2012-11-08T18:00:03 and then you can just treat it as a static ip 2012-11-08T18:00:40 "hostname -f gives back the correct hostname, but takes quite some time, what does that mean?" 2012-11-08T18:01:16 mcstar: make sure your /etc/hosts is the default 2012-11-08T18:01:21 thestinger: i guess theres not much point in that, if i can choose from a static ip range? 2012-11-08T18:01:33 mcstar: anyway arch is buggy and puts myhostname after dns 2012-11-08T18:01:49 so when you resolve your own FQDN, it checks the dns server before using myhostname 2012-11-08T18:02:12 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-11-08T18:02:20 thestinger: /etc/hosts doesnt have my hostname in it 2012-11-08T18:02:23 is that good? 2012-11-08T18:02:53 mcstar: yes 2012-11-08T18:02:57 it's not supposed to be in it anymore 2012-11-08T18:03:14 ok, so, what now? 2012-11-08T18:03:32 i dont get what hostname -f does 2012-11-08T18:03:40 does it consult the dns server? 2012-11-08T18:03:52 or just figures the name out? 2012-11-08T18:04:01 mcstar: pacman -Qi nss-myhostname 2012-11-08T18:04:01 lennart wrote it :P 2012-11-08T18:04:01 makes it so that /etc/hosts doesn't need to be manually configured 2012-11-08T18:04:01 you know lennart even wrote ifplugd? which debian uses too 2012-11-08T18:04:01 netcfg's net-auto-wired is really just ifplugd 2012-11-08T18:04:13 mcstar: it looks up your FQDN 2012-11-08T18:04:25 there is an *arch bug* that makes it check the dns server, fail and then check nss-myhostname 2012-11-08T18:04:35 cat /etc/nsswitch.conf 2012-11-08T18:04:39 hosts: files dns myhostname 2012-11-08T18:04:47 if you put myhostname before dns, it won't take that long 2012-11-08T18:04:50 it's just a bug 2012-11-08T18:04:53 in default cfg 2012-11-08T18:05:30 ah 2012-11-08T18:05:33 ok, its fast now 2012-11-08T18:05:49 now i get it 2012-11-08T18:06:38 lennart who? 2012-11-08T18:06:47 is this the systemd guy? 2012-11-08T18:06:51 yes 2012-11-08T18:07:25 mcstar: http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/ 2012-11-08T18:07:56 mcstar: anyway apparently not a bug, just a decision to use myhostname only as the fallback 2012-11-08T18:08:29 well, this is useless to my as far as i can see 2012-11-08T18:08:47 I know 2012-11-08T18:08:58 just so you know why you don't need to edit /etc/hosts :P 2012-11-08T18:09:00 ill choose an ip 2012-11-08T18:09:24 worst case scenario -> choose an ip, add an entry for that ip to /etc/hosts on the other computers 2012-11-08T18:09:32 lol 2012-11-08T18:09:38 best case scenario -> you have access to the dns server, you can add it to /etc/hosts there, and there alone 2012-11-08T18:09:38 thats too much trouble 2012-11-08T18:09:52 no, i want something like you said first 2012-11-08T18:09:56 even better scenario -> it does that automatically, after finding out the dhcp hostname 2012-11-08T18:10:02 let the dhcp communicate with the dns server 2012-11-08T18:10:07 and serve the hostnames on the lan 2012-11-08T18:10:09 yeah, that's the ideal case 2012-11-08T18:10:51 mcstar: http://linux.die.net/man/8/dnsmasq 2012-11-08T18:10:58 that's what dnsmasq does out-of-the-box :P 2012-11-08T18:12:20 k, thanks 2012-11-08T18:18:31 *** tobel has quit IRC (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2012-11-08T18:22:20 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T18:28:38 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-08T18:31:47 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T18:34:31 *** foRei has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-11-08T18:55:21 Wow, I just discovered my ants bot was iterating through every square on the map, then iterating through a history size of 32, then iterating through every square that square can see, just to reset a field on those squares 2012-11-08T18:55:29 thestinger: i remember there was a little utility, that provided something akin to a vpn 2012-11-08T18:55:34 Must've been drunk or something when I wrote this code 2012-11-08T18:55:37 i totally forgot what it was called 2012-11-08T18:55:43 mcstar: ssh -X ? :P 2012-11-08T18:55:46 no 2012-11-08T18:55:57 not simple ssh forwarding 2012-11-08T18:55:58 oh a vpn 2012-11-08T18:56:05 read as vnc 2012-11-08T18:56:06 something like ssh -D 2012-11-08T18:56:19 but for all kinds of applications 2012-11-08T18:56:23 That's 122435712 iterations for a 126x126 size map o.o 2012-11-08T18:56:26 you can establish a vpn over ssh 2012-11-08T18:56:28 it preloaded the networking stack 2012-11-08T18:56:41 and you could make anything work over socks5 2012-11-08T18:56:55 a different stack* 2012-11-08T18:57:09 ah yeah, i remember 2012-11-08T18:57:10 ...When I only need 508032 2012-11-08T18:57:15 ssh itself can make a socks proxy 2012-11-08T18:57:23 well 2012-11-08T18:57:25 not itself 2012-11-08T18:57:26 thestinger: but applications are not aware of it 2012-11-08T18:57:29 they are 2012-11-08T18:57:32 only firefox, and a couple are 2012-11-08T18:57:48 set http_proxy and https_proxy 2012-11-08T18:57:50 even chromium doesnt have its own socks confic 2012-11-08T18:57:52 config* 2012-11-08T18:57:58 chromium respects those 2012-11-08T18:58:14 anyway, what was this utioity called > >< 2012-11-08T18:58:19 >.< 2012-11-08T18:58:39 you can just use tsocks 2012-11-08T18:58:46 tsocks - Shell wrapper to simplify the use of the tsocks(8) library to transparently allow an application to use a 2012-11-08T18:58:49 SOCKS proxy 2012-11-08T18:58:50 ah 2012-11-08T18:58:54 tsocks 2012-11-08T18:59:00 thanks 2012-11-08T18:59:24 yeah, i have it intalled 2012-11-08T18:59:36 also there's torsocks, which is a better tsocks - or at least, was 2012-11-08T18:59:42 dunno if they ever got the fixes merged 2012-11-08T19:04:01 gn 2012-11-08T19:04:04 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2012-11-08T19:11:50 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-08T19:12:23 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T19:53:42 *** mviel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2012-11-08T20:03:38 *** mviel has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T20:09:23 *** mviel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-08T20:12:21 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T20:22:37 *** mviel has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T20:24:30 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-11-08T20:25:07 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T20:46:31 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2012-11-08T20:46:36 *** smiley1993 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T20:53:09 *** smiley1993 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2012-11-08T20:59:11 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T21:16:44 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-08T21:17:40 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T21:52:03 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-08T21:52:25 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T22:15:24 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-08T22:16:12 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T22:41:18 *** contestbot has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T22:41:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o contestbot 2012-11-08T22:45:11 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-08T22:45:30 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T22:45:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-11-08T22:49:23 *** contestbot has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T22:49:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o contestbot 2012-11-08T22:49:37 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-11-08T22:50:19 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T22:51:23 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2012-11-08T22:55:40 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-11-08T22:56:52 *** amstan__ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-11-08T22:57:36 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T22:58:14 *** amstan__ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T22:58:16 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan__ 2012-11-08T22:59:09 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T23:14:43 *** epicmonkey_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T23:24:45 *** epicmonkey_ has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2012-11-08T23:25:17 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T23:39:25 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-11-08T23:40:50 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-11-08T23:43:56 *** cyphase has joined #aichallenge 2012-11-08T23:46:23 *** amstan__ is now known as amstan 2012-11-08T23:48:11 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)