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2012-11-11T06:51:27  <mcstar> rpscontest doest support numpy :(
2012-11-11T06:53:02  <mcstar> i like to keep my loc count low
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2012-11-11T07:02:20  <mcstar> is there a matrix abstraction based on python lists?
2012-11-11T07:02:30  <mcstar> well, tensor, not matrix
2012-11-11T07:02:37  <mcstar> i want higher ranks than 2
2012-11-11T07:02:57  <mcstar> this is joke, that they dont provide numpy
2012-11-11T07:12:02  <mleise> no numpy ? but every other contest in the world links in the platform math library !
2012-11-11T07:12:57  <mcstar> it is not the platform's math library
2012-11-11T07:13:03  <mcstar> there is a 'math' module for python
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2012-11-11T07:13:33  <mcstar> numpy is just damn convenient, and given the nature of the contest, it is not understandable why they dont provide it
2012-11-11T07:14:06  <mcstar> they run the python code with google app engine
2012-11-11T07:14:07  <mleise> yes there is also some math.h for c++, but usually the constest link against -lm for some extra math ^^
2012-11-11T07:14:28  <mcstar> so i guess, numpy is not provided by that, and they didnt bother..
2012-11-11T07:15:30  <mcstar> mleise: it takes more time to write a necessary utility functions for the list, than it took to write the whole algorithm :(
2012-11-11T07:15:50  <mcstar> a->the
2012-11-11T07:16:27  <mleise> is numpy also adding big integers or is that a python core feature ?
2012-11-11T07:16:45  <mcstar> core
2012-11-11T07:19:21  <mcstar> http://hpaste.org/77570
2012-11-11T07:19:24  <mcstar> that was the code
2012-11-11T07:20:12  <mleise> and now it is 2 times longer ?
2012-11-11T07:20:39  <mleise> that wasn't even a screen page
2012-11-11T07:20:40  <mcstar> we'll see
2012-11-11T07:21:07  <mcstar> im not finished yet, im still angry XD
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2012-11-11T07:23:38  <mcstar> question is, can i pass back a reference to a position, on which i can use []
2012-11-11T07:24:14  <mcstar> well, no, it doesnt make sense
2012-11-11T07:27:47  <mcstar> great, ugly hack applied
2012-11-11T07:34:08  <mcstar> mleise: i think i made a mistake, it plays much worse than before
2012-11-11T07:34:46  <mcstar> yeah, i definitely f'd up something
2012-11-11T07:35:14  <mleise> you mean with the same code, just numpy replaced by your code ?
2012-11-11T07:35:25  <mcstar> yes
2012-11-11T07:37:34  <mcstar> lol
2012-11-11T07:37:43  <mcstar> i forgot a 'return'
2012-11-11T07:37:47  <mcstar> how annoying
2012-11-11T07:38:29  <mcstar> def argmax(lst): return lst.index(max(lst))
2012-11-11T07:38:37  <mcstar> i forgot to write that return
2012-11-11T07:39:16  <mcstar> mleise: +20 lines
2012-11-11T07:39:29  <mcstar> barely tolerable
2012-11-11T07:40:03  <mcstar> almost 60% increase in loc
2012-11-11T07:42:07  <mcstar> mleise: http://www.rpscontest.com/entry/661002
2012-11-11T07:44:46  <mleise> nice win rate of 100% ;)
2012-11-11T07:45:07  <mleise> i like their human vs. computer mode
2012-11-11T07:47:05  <mleise> shit at first I won most of the rounds, but at round 18 your bot got me
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2012-11-11T07:50:34  <mcstar> mleise: where?
2012-11-11T07:50:39  <mcstar> are you running it locally?
2012-11-11T07:50:57  <mcstar> ah
2012-11-11T07:50:58  <mleise> no on their website "Human vs. Computer"
2012-11-11T07:51:01  <mcstar> ok i get it
2012-11-11T07:51:06  <mcstar> i didnt see that
2012-11-11T07:51:40  <mcstar> mleise: first 50 rounds are random
2012-11-11T07:51:51  <mcstar> if len(history_op) < 50:
2012-11-11T07:52:08  <mcstar> 49 then
2012-11-11T07:52:14  <mleise> lol
2012-11-11T07:52:59  <mleise> well the leader bot is totally killing me. 6 throws: 3 compurer wins, 3 draws
2012-11-11T07:52:59  <mcstar> the matches last for 1000 rounds
2012-11-11T07:53:37  <mleise> I just can't get a single right click against it
2012-11-11T07:53:40  <mcstar> yay, win rate is still 100% after 3 games
2012-11-11T07:55:08  <mcstar> a human doesnt stand a chance against these bots
2012-11-11T07:55:26  <mcstar> the only strategy is to play truly randomly, which humans cant do
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2012-11-11T08:01:49  <mcstar> my mouse wants to tell me something
2012-11-11T08:01:54  <mcstar> i think he is hungry
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2012-11-11T09:27:22  <mcstar> fuck
2012-11-11T09:27:26  <mcstar> this was intense
2012-11-11T09:28:06  <mcstar> mleise: i clicked on the first rosalind problem set, to download the input data
2012-11-11T09:28:13  <mcstar> damn thins is timed, 5 minutes
2012-11-11T09:28:16  <mcstar> thing*
2012-11-11T09:28:37  <mcstar> and i didnt even have anything open to solve the problem
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2012-11-11T09:28:54  <mcstar> i solved it, with 10s remaining
2012-11-11T09:29:06  <mcstar> but what an adrenaline rush!
2012-11-11T09:29:23  <mcstar> i felt like the hacker guy in Swordfish
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2012-11-11T09:31:06  <mcstar> oh, shit
2012-11-11T09:31:15  <mcstar> i was doing this:
2012-11-11T09:31:17  <mcstar> with f as open('rosalind_dna.txt','r'): s = f.readline()
2012-11-11T09:31:22  <mcstar> and wondered why it didnt work
2012-11-11T09:31:37  <mcstar> with open('rosalind_dna.txt','r') as f: s = f.readline()
2012-11-11T09:31:47  <mcstar> this is the correct one, and it makes sense too
2012-11-11T09:36:52  <mcstar> hm
2012-11-11T09:37:12  <mcstar> maybe only the upload window is times, since it says, you can have unlimited tries...
2012-11-11T09:37:17  <mcstar> timed*
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2012-11-11T12:28:28  <mcstar> lol wtf happened?
2012-11-11T12:28:47  <mcstar> solifugid beats accoun!
2012-11-11T12:30:36  <mcstar> smiley1983: is solifugid_final your lastly submitted bot for aichallenge?
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2012-11-11T12:53:16  <mcstar> heh, i didnt know there was science behind spirit boards
2012-11-11T13:23:27  <mcstar> 136th
2012-11-11T13:25:28  <mcstar> thestinger: do you know of a better way to index nested python lists then using repeated []?
2012-11-11T13:25:33  <mcstar> than*
2012-11-11T13:26:19  <ramn[home]> all equally long?
2012-11-11T13:26:38  <mcstar> i dont think that should matter
2012-11-11T13:27:07  <mcstar> (better, i.e. wrt what i have now)
2012-11-11T13:27:17  <thestinger> mcstar: what kind of structure do they have?
2012-11-11T13:27:23  <mcstar> nestedness
2012-11-11T13:27:27  <mcstar> XD
2012-11-11T13:27:43  <mcstar> rank-n tensor
2012-11-11T13:28:00  <thestinger> so it's a known size?
2012-11-11T13:28:06  <thestinger> as in, it doesn't just grow to N long
2012-11-11T13:28:08  <mcstar> yeah, that doesnt change
2012-11-11T13:28:26  <thestinger> tuple unpacking :P
2012-11-11T13:28:32  <ramn[home]> perhaps flatten them
2012-11-11T13:28:47  <ramn[home]> add offset to index
2012-11-11T13:29:01  <mcstar> yeah, and why not allocate memory with malloc, while at it
2012-11-11T13:29:01  <ramn[home]> tho that is probably much worse than what you are doing
2012-11-11T13:29:11  <ramn[home]> aren
2012-11-11T13:29:12  <ramn[home]> t you
2012-11-11T13:29:14  <thestinger> mcstar: you can do stuff like ((a, b), (c, d)) = [[1,2],[3,4]]
2012-11-11T13:29:27  <mcstar> thestinger: no, i want indexing, not unpacking
2012-11-11T13:29:58  <thestinger> make a class and overload [] how you want it? :P
2012-11-11T13:30:05  <mcstar> numpy is nice, since you can say: array[(i1,i2,...)]
2012-11-11T13:30:15  <thestinger> yeah, overload __getitem__
2012-11-11T13:30:26  <mcstar> so you can have a list of indices, turn that into a tuple, and index the multi dim array with that
2012-11-11T13:30:26  <thestinger> sec
2012-11-11T13:31:06  <mcstar> thestinger: i was asking about []before, you said it is a bytecode operation, there is no function call
2012-11-11T13:31:19  <thestinger> mcstar: well for built-ins, there isn't
2012-11-11T13:31:19  <mcstar> so there is, after all
2012-11-11T13:31:29  <mcstar> ok
2012-11-11T13:31:47  <mcstar> then sublassing is the easiest way probably
2012-11-11T13:31:47  <mcstar> c
2012-11-11T13:32:01  <mcstar> also, * doesnt copy the list!
2012-11-11T13:32:09  <mcstar> [1,2,3]*4
2012-11-11T13:32:15  <thestinger> I know
2012-11-11T13:32:22  <mcstar> but that makes it useless
2012-11-11T13:32:29  <thestinger> mcstar: http://sprunge.us/bTFX
2012-11-11T13:32:49  <thestinger> that's python3 though
2012-11-11T13:32:53  <mcstar> yeah, that was i had in mind
2012-11-11T13:33:02  <mcstar> incorrect
2012-11-11T13:33:08  <mcstar> that was what i had in mind
2012-11-11T13:33:44  <thestinger> also that's why you should never use type() :P
2012-11-11T13:33:59  <thestinger> isinstance works with subclassed stuff too
2012-11-11T13:34:04  <mcstar> whats the equivalent of super in python2?
2012-11-11T13:34:16  <thestinger> mcstar: super, but you have to manually pass args
2012-11-11T13:34:52  <thestinger> super(Foo, self)
2012-11-11T13:34:59  <mcstar> thestinger: how is this handled? list[i] += 1
2012-11-11T13:35:28  <mcstar> lets say, that list is not list but Foo that you just wrote
2012-11-11T13:35:35  <thestinger> __setitem__ ?
2012-11-11T13:35:41  <thestinger> works for slices too
2012-11-11T13:35:45  <thestinger> xs[2:3] = [1,2]
2012-11-11T13:36:01  <mcstar> but it is not set, but incerement
2012-11-11T13:36:09  <mcstar> isnt that different?
2012-11-11T13:36:16  <thestinger> mcstar: __getitem__ and __setitem__
2012-11-11T13:36:19  <thestinger> maybe
2012-11-11T13:36:22  <thestinger> try it
2012-11-11T13:36:47  <mcstar> maybe it calles __setitem__ with 1+old_value ?
2012-11-11T13:36:52  <mcstar> calls*
2012-11-11T13:37:31  <mcstar> thestinger: rpscontest doesnt provide numpy, so i had to simulate arrays with lists :(
2012-11-11T13:37:45  <mcstar> well, not simulate, but replace
2012-11-11T13:37:49  <mcstar> substitute
2012-11-11T13:37:55  <mcstar> imitate
2012-11-11T13:37:56  <thestinger> oh also I forgot to put self in that
2012-11-11T13:38:02  <thestinger> mcstar: array.array
2012-11-11T13:38:09  <mcstar> oh
2012-11-11T13:38:27  <mcstar> i was asking about if there is non-numpy multidemensional array support
2012-11-11T13:38:41  <thestinger> not really
2012-11-11T13:39:05  <mcstar> then what is array?
2012-11-11T13:39:13  <mcstar> it is not in the stdlib
2012-11-11T13:39:24  <thestinger> it is
2012-11-11T13:39:26  <thestinger> http://docs.python.org/3.3/library/array.html
2012-11-11T13:39:36  <mcstar> wait
2012-11-11T13:39:38  <mcstar> it is
2012-11-11T13:40:05  <thestinger> it's a typed array with specific sized types, basically
2012-11-11T13:41:31  <mcstar> i think the old style looked better
2012-11-11T13:41:38  <mcstar> the blue and green theme
2012-11-11T13:42:55  <thestinger> mcstar: http://sprunge.us/WAYb
2012-11-11T13:43:09  <thestinger> it just uses __getitem__, increments it, and passed the result to __setitem__
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