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2012-11-12T07:30:24  <Jarhed> hello
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2012-11-12T07:40:16  <g0llum> helo Jarhed
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2012-11-12T09:15:15  <smiley1983> mcstar: yes, solifugid-final was my final entry into the Ants contest
2012-11-12T09:16:36  <smiley1983> source code here: https://github.com/smiley1983/ants-solifugid
2012-11-12T09:17:30  <smiley1983> You also asked if I was rewriting the engine: I am not currently rewriting any engines, though I made a change to the Tron engine the other day, and have some interest in there being a new PlanetWars engine at some point
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2012-11-12T11:22:58  <mcstar> i see
2012-11-12T11:23:03  <mcstar> thanks
2012-11-12T11:23:34  <mcstar> a conversation souded like, as if you were rewriting the tron engine
2012-11-12T11:23:38  <mcstar> sounded*
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2012-11-12T11:56:45  <Accoun> raiting dont gona stbilize
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2012-11-12T14:22:23  <g0llum> ramn[home], did your heroku efforts work ?
2012-11-12T14:27:23  <mcstar> try one of his other personalities
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2012-11-12T14:29:40  <g0llum> lol, personalities ;)
2012-11-12T14:30:42  <g0llum> my negamax bot has a problem: somewhere in all the recursion/switching sides, it forgets, who it's fighting for
2012-11-12T14:31:15  <mcstar> negamax? whats that?
2012-11-12T14:31:34  <mcstar> is this tron?
2012-11-12T14:31:40  <g0llum> yes
2012-11-12T14:32:19  <g0llum> minimax variation
2012-11-12T14:32:52  <mcstar> i dont feel motivated enough to write a bot :(
2012-11-12T14:32:59  <mcstar> i would like to be, though
2012-11-12T14:33:02  <g0llum> ;)
2012-11-12T14:34:16  <g0llum> how did your stint into rps work ?
2012-11-12T14:34:41  <mcstar> 6893
2012-11-12T14:35:02  <mcstar> thats a rating, 8356 is the current max
2012-11-12T14:35:28  <mcstar> idk how to evaluate that
2012-11-12T14:35:31  <g0llum> yea, gave up somewhere around 6000
2012-11-12T14:35:37  <mcstar> it has a 70% win rate
2012-11-12T14:35:54  <mcstar> i dont think it is bad for a first version
2012-11-12T14:36:14  <mcstar> it needs tuning, and i should run it day and night against other bots locally
2012-11-12T14:36:53  <g0llum> i remember, you posted something here, and it looked totally deterministic after the first few random turns
2012-11-12T14:37:31  <mcstar> yeah, it is
2012-11-12T14:37:51  <mcstar> g0llum: whats your username there?
2012-11-12T14:38:10  <g0llum> can't remember, had so many ;(
2012-11-12T14:38:19  <g0llum> but they were all bad
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2012-11-12T14:39:33  <g0llum> would you think a multiplayer version to be fun ?
2012-11-12T14:40:00  <mcstar> of what?
2012-11-12T14:40:08  <mcstar> rps?
2012-11-12T14:40:28  <g0llum> dinky~ something proposed that on the forum ( of rps )
2012-11-12T14:41:55  <mcstar> 1vs1 is interesting enough
2012-11-12T14:42:26  <mcstar> the problem is, you cant really evaluate your bot, by pairing it up with the best, or some other bots
2012-11-12T14:43:00  <mcstar> (except if you duplicate the whole contest locally on your computer)
2012-11-12T14:43:50  <mcstar> it is possible that a stable ranking cannot be reached
2012-11-12T14:43:59  <g0llum> well, downloading the best 20 should not be too hard
2012-11-12T14:44:11  <ramn[home]> g0llum: not yet! Didn't have time this weekend
2012-11-12T14:45:39  <g0llum> ramn[home], it's more, that i forgot to mention another obstacle with heroku: they're shutting down those dynos if there's not enough http-traffic
2012-11-12T14:46:58  <g0llum> so, appfog was more nice to my python bots in the end
2012-11-12T14:51:36  <ramn[home]> g0llum: yes if there is no http connections within the hour they shut down. easy workaround tho, just ping it
2012-11-12T14:51:48  <ramn[home]> will check out appfog
2012-11-12T14:52:45  <ramn[home]> g0llum: their free offering seems crazy
2012-11-12T14:52:54  <ramn[home]> whats the catch
2012-11-12T14:53:03  <g0llum> yea another app ( on another host ) to ping it  ..
2012-11-12T14:53:25  <ramn[home]> pingdom.com can ping it
2012-11-12T14:53:29  <ramn[home]> or one of my servers
2012-11-12T14:53:39  <g0llum> ahh, didn't knew that ;)
2012-11-12T14:53:42  <ramn[home]> or 2 heroku instances pinging each other :)
2012-11-12T14:54:36  <g0llum> oh noes
2012-11-12T14:55:24  <g0llum> nvm, best wishes for your bot ;)
2012-11-12T14:55:34  <ramn[home]> thanks it's gonna need it
2012-11-12T14:55:43  <ramn[home]> I'm pulling together some friends
2012-11-12T14:55:51  <ramn[home]> gonna have a LAN with bothacking
2012-11-12T14:58:04  <g0llum> i just rediscovered cloud-hacking in the latest days .. ;)
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2012-11-12T15:12:33  <ramn[home]> ok :) for some new project?
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2012-11-12T15:20:00  <Blkt> good evening everyone
2012-11-12T15:22:12  <ramn[home]> hi
2012-11-12T15:22:23  <mcstar> it is automated..
2012-11-12T15:22:30  <mcstar> quite annoyingly
2012-11-12T15:22:36  <ramn[home]> which is
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2012-11-12T16:26:09  <Accoun> make planet wars server
2012-11-12T16:26:22  <savva> hellp, when will start google ai challenge 2012
2012-11-12T16:27:02  <savva> Dose anybody know?
2012-11-12T16:27:16  <savva> Does anybody know?
2012-11-12T16:27:44  <thestinger> never
2012-11-12T16:28:01  <savva> maybr 2013?
2012-11-12T16:28:03  <thestinger> maybe
2012-11-12T16:28:17  <savva> :-(
2012-11-12T16:28:21  <savva> thanks
2012-11-12T16:28:21  <phildunstan> have you guys seen aisandbox.com
2012-11-12T16:31:48  <phildunstan> (disclaimer: I am one of the organisers)
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2012-11-12T16:49:01  <ramn[home]> phildunstan: are you with aigamedev?
2012-11-12T16:49:35  <phildunstan> yes, i am
2012-11-12T16:52:26  <ramn[home]> is it available for linux?
2012-11-12T16:53:15  <phildunstan> unofficially, aisandbox.com/linux. it should be released officially today or tomorrow
2012-11-12T16:53:37  <ramn[home]> good!
2012-11-12T16:53:46  <phildunstan> we should also be releasing the first of our language starter kits tomorrow or wednesday
2012-11-12T16:54:26  <ramn[home]> ah, which languages will be supported?
2012-11-12T16:55:05  <phildunstan> currently its python only. in the next couple of days we will release a C++ starter kit. Then we need community help supporting other languages. We have documented the network API (in beta) and someone has already made a go client.
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2012-11-12T16:58:14  <ramn[home]> will it be possible to play after the official competition?
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2012-11-12T17:03:11  <phildunstan> we are talking internally about extending the deadline
2012-11-12T17:04:12  <phildunstan> we have had a lot of people saying that the december deadline is too tight
2012-11-12T17:04:29  <phildunstan> either way, we will probably follow this competition with another similar one
2012-11-12T17:05:51  <ramn[home]> for ppl working full time it is probably quite tight yes
2012-11-12T17:07:34  <phildunstan> keep an eye on twitter #ctfcomp for news
2012-11-12T17:07:44  <phildunstan> or irc #gameai
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2012-11-12T17:22:10  <iglo> will there be a new game?
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2012-11-12T17:55:31  <ramn[home]> iglo: http://aisandbox.com hosted by aigamedev, has nothing to do with aichallenge.org
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2012-11-12T18:01:56  <mcstar> phildunstan: i know this is a very irrelevant question, but do you know the name of the colorscheme used for the python code on this page? http://aisandbox.com/start/
2012-11-12T18:10:02  <phildunstan> mcstar: not sure, I think its the dark visual studio 2012 colorscheme with the python tools for visual studio installed
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2012-11-12T18:15:08  <mcstar> ok, thanks
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2012-11-12T18:16:33  <mcstar> phildunstan: also, the challenge looks good, i didnt expect they will celebrate the release of the sandbox with a contest
2012-11-12T18:16:47  <mcstar> but the deadline is too soon i think
2012-11-12T18:17:43  <phildunstan> mcstar: keep an ear open, we've been discussing extending it. we will announce it in the next day or two if we do
2012-11-12T18:18:09  <mcstar> phildunstan: have you participated in Ants?
2012-11-12T18:18:59  <phildunstan> not ants, unfortunately. i didn't have time. but I did planetwars before that
2012-11-12T18:19:28  <phildunstan> I'm sad to see aichallenge having internal problems
2012-11-12T18:19:49  <mcstar> i was hoping for a comparison in the expected level of effort needed for aisandbox
2012-11-12T18:20:09  <mcstar> the commands look high level
2012-11-12T18:20:19  <mcstar> combat is quite primitive
2012-11-12T18:20:27  <phildunstan> yes, not sure how it would compare
2012-11-12T18:20:39  <mcstar> (i dont mean primitive in a bad way)
2012-11-12T18:20:53  <phildunstan> no, i understand that,
2012-11-12T18:21:10  <phildunstan> it is real time on a more complex map, but the control is very high level
2012-11-12T18:21:19  <phildunstan> we wanted to really discourage micromanaging the bots
2012-11-12T18:21:37  <mcstar> yeah, that takes away a lot of time
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2012-11-12T18:21:58  <mcstar> and doesnt help with the quality of the gameplay
2012-11-12T18:22:13  <phildunstan> we are not averse to changing it if we need, we may need to make the low level bot AI a bit smarter than they are at the moment
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2012-11-12T18:23:51  <phildunstan> nice to chat with you mcstar, i'm off to bed, I'll be around though if you have any questions on the ai sandbox competition
2012-11-12T18:24:02  <mcstar> gn
2012-11-12T18:24:08  <mcstar> im heading there too
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2012-11-12T18:24:32  <mcstar> i dont think ill be participating :)
2012-11-12T18:24:53  <mcstar> thestinger: do you remember a site, that had a gazillion of vim color schemes?
2012-11-12T18:25:18  <mcstar> they were shown with real code, on 1 huge page
2012-11-12T18:25:44  <thestinger> you only need two vim colorschemes
2012-11-12T18:25:45  <mcstar> and, there is a corresponding emacs site
2012-11-12T18:25:49  <thestinger> solarized light and zenburn
2012-11-12T18:25:53  <mcstar> and i cant google it
2012-11-12T18:26:26  <mcstar> thestinger: thats your opinion, but have you came across of what im talking about?
2012-11-12T18:27:25  <mcstar> ah
2012-11-12T18:27:30  <mcstar> i think ive found it
2012-11-12T18:27:35  <mcstar> color theme, not scheme
2012-11-12T18:27:47  <mcstar> http://code.google.com/p/gnuemacscolorthemetest/
2012-11-12T18:28:32  <mcstar> thestinger: will you write an ai for aisandbox?
2012-11-12T18:28:58  <mcstar> it in python! :)
2012-11-12T18:29:00  <mcstar> s
2012-11-12T18:29:00  <thestinger> probably not
2012-11-12T18:29:13  <thestinger> I read it wrong before
2012-11-12T18:29:16  <thestinger> ais and box
2012-11-12T18:29:17  <thestinger> o_o
2012-11-12T18:29:24  <mcstar> heh
2012-11-12T18:30:12  <mcstar> thestinger: your face looks like a cassette
2012-11-12T18:30:31  <thestinger> ಠ_ಠ
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2012-11-12T18:32:25  <mcstar> im off
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2012-11-12T20:56:40  <Blkt> good night everyone
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2012-11-12T21:07:05  <mleise> ramn[home]: aisandbox.com looks interesting. i like that they tried to keep the mechanics close to popular shooters. for example you can strafe-walk, to circle an area and react on sight
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