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2012-11-23T03:29:41  <aerique> mleise: pity no games are show for the aisandbox rankings
2012-11-23T03:29:46  <aerique> *shown
2012-11-23T03:33:24  <alexjc> aerique: the rankings are not automated yet, it was a first competition run manually.
2012-11-23T03:33:46  <alexjc> we're going to automate first, then do the replay
2012-11-23T03:33:56  <alexjc> but that's the plan
2012-11-23T03:33:57  <alexjc> :-)\
2012-11-23T03:47:44  <aerique> alexjc: alright, thanks for the info and the hard work!
2012-11-23T03:48:09  <alexjc> my pleasure
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2012-11-23T09:43:35  <mleise> mcstar: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lwr2gwyz3o6u2ni/Starship%20Troopers%20-%20Terran%20Alliance.7z :D
2012-11-23T09:46:22  <mcstar> whats that?
2012-11-23T09:46:31  <mcstar> whole game?
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2012-11-23T09:54:46  <mleise> Yes, it is the .iso + the required video codec
2012-11-23T09:55:52  <mcstar> downloading, but i doubt ill play it
2012-11-23T09:56:35  <mleise> because it is 12 years old ?
2012-11-23T09:56:52  <mcstar> no, im hooked on the line of sight problem
2012-11-23T09:57:12  <mleise> *doh* :p
2012-11-23T09:57:29  <mleise> I found another bug in my algorithm and hacked around it.
2012-11-23T09:58:10  <mleise> turns out increments of 1m make sure you don't miss _an_ obstacle on the way. but it doesn't make sure you hit the first new obstacle
2012-11-23T09:59:02  <mleise> e.g. I had two obstacles just a few cm from each other and hit the second one with the ray, while the first one was actually sticking out further
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2012-11-23T10:37:35  <mcstar> i have my projective interval merging working, i can write the line of sight now
2012-11-23T10:42:57  <mleise> I'v uploaded a new svg to the programming directory in dropbox
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2012-11-23T10:43:17  <mleise> I don't know if it was really such a good idea after all ^^
2012-11-23T10:43:25  <mcstar> what?
2012-11-23T10:43:36  <mcstar> changing the svg?
2012-11-23T10:43:39  <mleise> to calculated these blind spots
2012-11-23T10:43:56  <mleise> the map gets cut into a billion pieces
2012-11-23T10:43:58  <mcstar> it is bigger?
2012-11-23T10:44:25  <mleise> it contains all the corners now, clipped to the firing range
2012-11-23T10:45:23  <mcstar> this visibility.svg looks like the original, only zoomed in
2012-11-23T10:45:25  <mcstar> it is horrible
2012-11-23T10:45:30  <mcstar> i want my old svg back
2012-11-23T10:45:35  <mcstar> or give me my money back
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2012-11-23T10:45:53  <mleise> i didn't change the zoom
2012-11-23T10:46:13  <mcstar> oh
2012-11-23T10:46:17  <mcstar> it is my local file
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2012-11-23T10:46:35  <mleise> and you can get the old file in dropbox for up to 2 weeks
2012-11-23T10:46:50  <mcstar> and everything was smaller yesterday
2012-11-23T10:46:50  <mcstar> i guess i used chromium's zoom
2012-11-23T10:47:32  <mcstar> did you manage to script the svg?
2012-11-23T10:50:02  <mleise> yes, it was pretty easy. You can either use pure CSS to define styles on mouse-over, or use embedded JS.
2012-11-23T10:50:17  <mleise> onmouseover="somJS();"
2012-11-23T10:50:22  <mleise> *some
2012-11-23T10:50:54  <mleise> But it isn't enough. I need to highlight ALL shapes under the cursor, not just the top layer
2012-11-23T10:51:19  <mcstar> mleise: can you track the mouse cursor, and update stuff based on that?
2012-11-23T10:51:22  <mcstar> thats what i'd like
2012-11-23T10:51:52  <mleise> I guess so. There is an event object passed in.
2012-11-23T10:51:59  <mcstar> yay
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2012-11-23T11:05:02  <mcstar> this is exciting
2012-11-23T11:05:09  <mcstar> the problem is, i cant see shit
2012-11-23T11:06:35  <mleise> turn on the light
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2012-11-23T11:07:08  <mcstar> i mean i dont see whats happening with my lines and stuff
2012-11-23T11:07:12  <mcstar> i need to visualize them
2012-11-23T11:07:19  <mleise> The AI Sandbox network commander stopped working for me. It says "[Errno 11] Resource temporarily unavailable" after sending the initial welcome message and disconnects
2012-11-23T11:07:35  <mleise> damn updates and closed source software
2012-11-23T11:08:01  <mleise> mcstar: If you don't get any exceptions you are almost there :)
2012-11-23T11:08:09  <mcstar> exceptions?
2012-11-23T11:08:14  <mcstar> what do you mean?
2012-11-23T11:09:38  <mcstar> http://projects.haskell.org/diagrams/doc/index.html
2012-11-23T11:09:58  <mleise> I had some asserts in my code, where I knew some condition would be an error, e.g. a pointer is null
2012-11-23T11:10:09  <mcstar> this is pure code
2012-11-23T11:10:13  <mcstar> no exceptions
2012-11-23T11:10:18  <mleise> and from those I got exceptions or infinite loops
2012-11-23T11:10:26  <mcstar> no infinite loops
2012-11-23T11:10:26  <mleise> no exceptions... oh well
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2012-11-23T11:10:33  <mleise> no infinite loops, aye
2012-11-23T11:10:37  <mcstar> :)
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2012-11-23T11:10:53  <mcstar> simple list processing, thats all
2012-11-23T11:11:05  <mcstar> well, we will see, after i draw them
2012-11-23T11:11:15  <mcstar> maybe i should use gloss, that simple, and interactive
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2012-11-23T11:12:38  <mcstar> mleise: i hope it will work, cause it will be only a couple of lines long
2012-11-23T11:13:17  <mcstar> (ofc, the speed record will be yours, probably)
2012-11-23T11:13:40  <mleise> I told you it is not efficient :)
2012-11-23T11:20:29  <mleise> the measurement isn't accurate. I sometimes get 8ms, but usually ~14ms
2012-11-23T11:21:55  <mcstar> that is possibly quite faster than what ill have
2012-11-23T11:22:37  <mleise> do you use floating point in the calculations ?
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2012-11-23T11:24:19  <mcstar> yes, i do
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2012-11-23T11:37:02  <mcstar> mleise: pacman said i had glu installed, but i was missing the files, weird
2012-11-23T11:37:22  <mleise> you use OpenGL now ? O.o
2012-11-23T11:37:31  <mcstar> gloss needs it
2012-11-23T11:37:42  <mcstar> super easy to use lib on top of opengl
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2012-11-23T13:30:25  <mcstar> mleise: heh, i had a bug
2012-11-23T13:30:39  <mcstar> i used == instead of <=
2012-11-23T13:32:50  <mcstar> mleise: http://i.imgur.com/XZA6o.png lines are green, that have visible parts from the origo, magenta dot
2012-11-23T13:33:00  <mcstar> the outer red path doesnt count
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2012-11-23T13:46:33  <mleise> let's see
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2012-11-23T13:47:34  <mleise> hey, you have a kink in your lens
2012-11-23T13:47:42  <mcstar> lens?
2012-11-23T13:48:04  <mleise> mcstar: the lower left green line is not visible from the origin point.
2012-11-23T13:48:31  <mcstar> which is it?
2012-11-23T13:48:35  <mleise> we say that here when someone sees something as straight or aligned and it isn't
2012-11-23T13:48:53  <mcstar> ok, but which line?
2012-11-23T13:49:06  <mcstar> all look ok to me
2012-11-23T13:49:10  <mleise> the lowest to the left
2012-11-23T13:49:21  <mcstar> vertical or horizontal?
2012-11-23T13:49:46  <mleise> all the lower greens cannot be seen because they are blocked by the map outline
2012-11-23T13:50:06  <mcstar> i said, 'the outer red path doesnt count'
2012-11-23T13:50:08  <mleise> did you ignore the outer red line in these calculations as well ?
2012-11-23T13:50:21  <mleise> I though you just didn't hilight it green ^^
2012-11-23T13:50:25  <mcstar> no
2012-11-23T13:50:28  <mcstar> they are like not there
2012-11-23T13:50:36  <mcstar> just drawn
2012-11-23T13:50:52  <mleise> well, it is upside down, but correct so far :)
2012-11-23T13:51:02  <mcstar> now, im gonna make clear, what segment of the lines are actually seen, i have the data, just haev to transform it
2012-11-23T13:51:12  <mcstar> so ill have that green polygon that you had
2012-11-23T13:52:04  <mleise> oh wait.... I see something
2012-11-23T13:52:31  <mleise> see that big block on the right, close to the 8 shape at the bottom ?
2012-11-23T13:52:50  <mcstar> i guess
2012-11-23T13:52:52  <mleise> isn't it possible to see part of it from the origin point
2012-11-23T13:52:53  <mleise> ?
2012-11-23T13:53:14  <mcstar> which is up from the 8?
2012-11-23T13:53:25  <mleise> yes, that one
2012-11-23T13:53:30  <mcstar> no, i dont think so
2012-11-23T13:53:40  <mleise> but my a4 paper tells me so ^^
2012-11-23T13:53:49  <mcstar> it is wrong
2012-11-23T13:53:54  <mcstar> :)
2012-11-23T13:54:01  <mleise> use a ruler on your screen. i think it should be visible
2012-11-23T13:54:11  <mcstar> it is on a crt
2012-11-23T13:54:14  <mcstar> it is curved
2012-11-23T13:54:15  <mleise> lol
2012-11-23T13:54:32  <mcstar> let me see it on the tft
2012-11-23T13:54:34  <mleise> then use the second monitor
2012-11-23T13:54:52  <mcstar> no, thats the first
2012-11-23T13:54:55  <mcstar> the crt is the second
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2012-11-23T13:55:05  <mleise> somehow I knew
2012-11-23T13:56:09  <mcstar> yes, you are right
2012-11-23T13:56:43  <mleise> i see a little bit of history repeating. all these little bugs and special cases...
2012-11-23T13:57:27  <mleise> so you have an environment without exceptions or infinite loops. that's interesting
2012-11-23T13:57:55  <mcstar> it missed 2 lines
2012-11-23T13:58:09  <mcstar> this cant have bugs
2012-11-23T13:58:21  <mcstar> i mean, this is soo simple
2012-11-23T13:58:42  <mcstar> like, 8 lines
2012-11-23T13:59:17  <mcstar> i know the origin of the problem
2012-11-23T13:59:25  <mcstar> at least, i have a good suspicion
2012-11-23T13:59:35  <mcstar> and, it cant be solved
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2012-11-23T14:02:23  <mcstar> mleise: maybe, using double would solve it
2012-11-23T14:02:43  <mcstar> the numbers are in float, since thats what the visualizer expects
2012-11-23T14:04:14  <mleise> do you calculate angles and distances for each point ?
2012-11-23T14:04:46  <mleise> and then check each segment against each other in depth and extent ?
2012-11-23T14:05:54  <mcstar> idk, do i?
2012-11-23T14:06:03  <mcstar> no, i dont
2012-11-23T14:06:09  <mcstar> but im doing something similar
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2012-11-23T14:18:31  <mcstar> mleise: great, working now, just had to change a < to <=
2012-11-23T14:20:32  <mleise> good, now you can write a bot
2012-11-23T14:20:44  <mcstar> no
2012-11-23T14:20:54  <mcstar> im not ready yet, i need that green area
2012-11-23T14:21:06  <mcstar> and make it interactive
2012-11-23T14:22:56  <mcstar> mleise: http://hpaste.org/78124 this is the projective interval merging code
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2012-11-23T14:23:11  <mcstar> i will not count this, when i will cite line counts, since this is a library...
2012-11-23T14:23:21  <mcstar> (now that i wrote it, it is)
2012-11-23T14:24:41  <mleise> I hope your program is so slow or buggy that I don't feel like using the wrong language for the job :D
2012-11-23T14:25:21  <mcstar> XD
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2012-11-23T15:09:57  <mcstar> mleise: http://i.imgur.com/hNMr8.png
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2012-11-23T15:33:29  <mleise> that looks correct :)
2012-11-23T15:33:43  <mleise> sorry, I've been playing starship troopers
2012-11-23T15:56:02  <mcstar> working real time
2012-11-23T15:56:49  <mcstar> oh, this is not compiled code
2012-11-23T15:56:53  <mcstar> im working in ghci
2012-11-23T15:59:41  <mcstar> mleise: there is one issue remaining, that i wont fix, cause, not too interesting, is that i dont handle correctly, that angles are modulo 2pi
2012-11-23T15:59:57  <mcstar> mleise: do you want to see the code, or run an exe?
2012-11-23T16:01:40  <mcstar> oh, its fast, compiled
2012-11-23T16:02:17  <mleise> no, an image is enough
2012-11-23T16:02:26  <mcstar> nono, you really want to try it
2012-11-23T16:02:39  <mleise> I do ? :p
2012-11-23T16:02:42  <mcstar> yes
2012-11-23T16:02:44  <mcstar> its fun
2012-11-23T16:02:46  <mleise> how do you know what I want
2012-11-23T16:02:56  <mleise> ok, just up it to the dropbox
2012-11-23T16:03:14  <mleise> so i just need to wait for the sync popup :p
2012-11-23T16:04:27  <mcstar> well, 11MB
2012-11-23T16:04:30  <mcstar> will take some time
2012-11-23T16:04:45  <mcstar> ghc links statically by default
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2012-11-23T16:09:40  <mleise> I have ghc installed too, maybe i can run dynamically linked executables.
2012-11-23T16:10:47  <mcstar> it is linked to stuff like opengl...
2012-11-23T16:10:54  <mcstar> and a lot of cabal intalled libs
2012-11-23T16:11:01  <mcstar> so, this is ultimately better
2012-11-23T16:11:05  <mcstar> mleise: http://sprunge.us/RJME?haskell
2012-11-23T16:11:18  <mleise> omg it is dynamic !!121eleveb
2012-11-23T16:11:19  <mcstar> the stuff happens in the middle 3 functions
2012-11-23T16:11:45  <mcstar> hm?
2012-11-23T16:12:19  <mcstar> toIntervals, projectSorted, intersections are the workhorse functions
2012-11-23T16:12:37  <mcstar> but the real stuff that makes this whole thing work, is in the library, NamedIntervals
2012-11-23T16:13:11  <mleise> you still have a bug in it though ;)
2012-11-23T16:13:32  <mcstar> if you mean, when you move to the right side, thats because of what i said
2012-11-23T16:13:54  <mleise> oh i see
2012-11-23T16:13:59  <mcstar> when im doing the projection, im not taking into account, that the angular variable is periodic
2012-11-23T16:15:12  <mleise> nah, there are lines of sight crossing solid geometry even in the lower left
2012-11-23T16:15:17  <mcstar> and, i add the mouse cursor position as a vertex of the green are
2012-11-23T16:15:25  <mcstar> even if it isnt supposed to be added
2012-11-23T16:17:21  <mcstar> i changed a 'min' to 'max' its a bit better now
2012-11-23T16:17:50  <mcstar> now the line segments are sorted on the farthest point, of the 2, not the closest
2012-11-23T16:18:16  <mcstar> mleise: that solved the problem you just mentioned
2012-11-23T16:18:58  <mleise> ok, but I really have to hunt some bugs now
2012-11-23T16:19:40  <mcstar> ok
2012-11-23T16:19:43  <mcstar> i see
2012-11-23T16:19:49  <mcstar> my code is too long
2012-11-23T16:19:56  <mcstar> you are not impressed at all
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2012-11-23T16:20:00  <mcstar> maybe next time
2012-11-23T16:20:16  <mcstar> that drawing takes too much loc
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2012-11-23T16:37:08  <mleise> :D
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