2012-12-20T00:12:57  <smiley1983> I like this replay: http://li414-97.members.linode.com:2090/replay.48211
2012-12-20T00:14:04  <smiley1983> Lost by launching an attack from a winning position
2012-12-20T00:14:18  <crimbox> can you up the amount of turns?
2012-12-20T00:15:53  <smiley1983> I can run a separate server with different settings; I'm reluctant to change this one because bocsimacko (and others) crash after turn 200. :( Not really their fault, though - I think it didn't tell you the number of turns back then, so all bots which cared about the turn limit had it hardcoded
2012-12-20T00:16:31  <crimbox> hey smiley im the guy trying to start my own tcp server
2012-12-20T00:16:43  <smiley1983> hey, having any luck? :)
2012-12-20T00:17:19  <crimbox> havent tried yet. might do tonight
2012-12-20T00:17:26  <crimbox> thanks for the info though
2012-12-20T00:17:37  <smiley1983> no worries
2012-12-20T00:17:54  <crimbox> how many people have bots on your server
2012-12-20T00:18:28  <crimbox> do they just leave their computer on and running their bot?
2012-12-20T00:19:20  <smiley1983> Not many; ants-beginner has seen a bit of activity from people developing new bots, but most of the others are just people running old bots to keep the server alive
2012-12-20T00:19:43  <smiley1983> yes, I just leave my computer on and restart the scripts when the internet dies and gets restored
2012-12-20T00:20:44  <smiley1983> ramn has published a template for running bots on Heroku's free server offer: http://blog.ramn.se/post/36958955940/run-an-ant-bot-on-heroku
2012-12-20T00:21:37  <crimbox> i want it running on my own linode server
2012-12-20T00:21:49  <smiley1983> all my bots are written on ocaml, though, so it'd take a bit of work for me to get mine running that way; python bots (and other supported languages) can be run with very little effort, I think
2012-12-20T00:21:49  <crimbox> does it take up much cpu? i have other websites too
2012-12-20T00:22:07  <smiley1983> depends how much activity there is, I'll go grab my usage graph...
2012-12-20T00:22:42  <crimbox> i thought people could use any language
2012-12-20T00:23:06  <smiley1983> it can use a whole quad core processor when there's a lot of activity, though
2012-12-20T00:23:36  <smiley1983> On heroku? I think you can, but some languages need special buildpacks to install them
2012-12-20T00:23:45  <crimbox> have you seen how the actual aichallenge people do it? its open source
2012-12-20T00:24:51  <crimbox> if i run my own tcp server using linode with ubuntu, would the languages bots are made in matter?
2012-12-20T00:25:04  <smiley1983> I've looked a bit into the epsilon server code; the setup procedure installs all of the languages they offer, and they made sure to offer every language anyone made a starter package for, if they could
2012-12-20T00:25:28  <smiley1983> no, the tcp server doesn't care about anything but the data stream
2012-12-20T00:25:46  <crimbox> oh good
2012-12-20T00:27:56  <smiley1983> setting up the epsilon servers is a bit of a pain (at least, my attempts to do it in a virtual machine were unreliable, working at some points during the development and then failing when I tried to reinstall with later versions) - the tcp servers are very easy
2012-12-20T00:28:22  <smiley1983> but be warned that the tcp webserver.py is synchronous, and will wait 25 seconds sometimes if it gets two requests at once
2012-12-20T00:28:30  <smiley1983> only really suitable for testing and low traffic
2012-12-20T00:28:47  <crimbox> easy for who? i dont know much about this server side stuff
2012-12-20T00:29:29  <crimbox> what do you mean two requests at once. two people cant test their bots at the same time?
2012-12-20T00:30:54  <smiley1983> http://imgur.com/xWGz1
2012-12-20T00:31:40  <crimbox> which linode plan are you on
2012-12-20T00:32:19  <smiley1983> I mean if two people try to look at any of the pages delivered by the webserver at the same time, one will have to wait 25 seconds - the tcpserver.py is entirely separate, and can handle dozens of simultaneous connections
2012-12-20T00:32:34  <smiley1983> Cheapest one, 512MB ram
2012-12-20T00:33:46  <smiley1983> Sorry, I shouldn't say it's 'easy' - I just mean that there are far fewer steps, and when things don't work, the fixes are generally straightforward
2012-12-20T00:35:50  <crimbox> do you save all games permanently?
2012-12-20T00:37:41  <smiley1983> depends on what you mean by "permanent" :) All game records for one server go into a single database file (I think it's MySQL) and as long as that file is kept, they're never deleted
2012-12-20T00:38:50  <smiley1983> I don't really know much about database maintenance, though, so probably I will eventually move those entire database files to another location, make them available for download, and start afresh with a blank database for each server
2012-12-20T00:39:11  <smiley1983> if I keep hosting the server for long enough for that to be necessary, that is
2012-12-20T00:39:32  <crimbox> im happy to take over :)
2012-12-20T00:40:23  <smiley1983> That's good to hear :) I probably don't want to keep running it forever.
2012-12-20T00:41:08  <smiley1983> I sort of want to rewrite the webserver part, both to make it asynchronous and to make one piece of code handle multiple games
2012-12-20T00:43:16  <smiley1983> probably won't happen soon, though, I'm currently writing code for hackerrank games
2012-12-20T00:44:38  <crimbox> are you this guy too: http://www.benzedrine.cx/planetwars.html
2012-12-20T00:46:00  <crimbox> he had a tcp server going and has the code open source
2012-12-20T00:46:55  <smiley1983> no, that's not me, though thanks for the reminder - I should look at his code for the server-side stuff to see if there's anything worth taking :)
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2012-12-20T02:29:32  <crimbox> hey smiley1983 you there
2012-12-20T02:29:54  <crimbox> i downloaded the tcp server
2012-12-20T02:30:16  <crimbox> and ran the tcp server and webserver. i think it works
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2012-12-20T02:37:05  <crimbox> how do i get bots playing?
2012-12-20T02:37:52  <crimbox> how do i save games?
2012-12-20T02:41:05  <crimbox> also why do i need to redirect port 80 to 2090 if 80 is already my webserver port
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2012-12-20T02:46:41  <smiley1983> crimbox: if you already have a webserver running there, you don't want to do that redirecting; however, the game webserver will be on port 2090, not port 80
2012-12-20T02:47:36  <smiley1983> To get bots playing, you just have to connect two bots using the same tcpclient.py script which users will run; here's an example of the script I run: (one moment...)
2012-12-20T02:48:49  <smiley1983> python2 ./tcpclient.py 106.187.94.97 2091 "command to run bot" bot_name password -1
2012-12-20T02:50:47  <crimbox> since i already have a webserver do i need another domain name?
2012-12-20T02:50:58  <smiley1983> Games which are played are saved on the server automatically; users can download them with the usual right click -> save link as
2012-12-20T02:51:48  <smiley1983> you don't need another domain name, but as it stands users will have to connect to domain.name:2090 instead of just connecting to domain.name
2012-12-20T02:52:04  <crimbox> oh i see
2012-12-20T02:52:28  <smiley1983> you can set it up to connect port N to a subdomain, like ai.domain.name, but I don't know how to do it
2012-12-20T02:53:01  <smiley1983> I imagine there are instructions on stackoverflow and other places, though
2012-12-20T02:53:22  <crimbox> its actually port 2080
2012-12-20T02:53:37  <crimbox> http://106.187.44.50:2080/ranking
2012-12-20T02:53:54  <smiley1983> right, I've been looking at modified files
2012-12-20T02:54:49  <crimbox> ok so now that the tcp and webservers are working i can now run some bots?
2012-12-20T02:55:08  <smiley1983> Yes, should be possible
2012-12-20T02:55:14  <smiley1983> shall I connect one?
2012-12-20T02:55:14  <crimbox> i havent modified anything
2012-12-20T02:55:27  <crimbox> ok
2012-12-20T02:55:51  <smiley1983> connected :)
2012-12-20T02:56:00  <crimbox> 1 players online!
2012-12-20T02:57:20  <crimbox> do you have the link to set up tcp on the clients computer?
2012-12-20T02:57:32  <smiley1983> it
2012-12-20T02:57:46  <smiley1983> 's linked under "HowTo" on the webserver itself
2012-12-20T02:58:44  <crimbox> is this for ants as well as planet wars?
2012-12-20T02:59:06  <smiley1983> Ah, looks like you have the Ants server running
2012-12-20T02:59:15  <crimbox> oops my bad
2012-12-20T02:59:49  <smiley1983> that repo contains many whole copies of the tcp server, slightly modified to run different games
2012-12-20T03:01:33  <crimbox> ok pw should be runing now
2012-12-20T03:02:43  <crimbox> http://106.187.44.50:2090/
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2012-12-20T03:10:07  <crimbox> im getting a: Message: Bad request version ('2').
2012-12-20T03:10:17  <crimbox> im running this line:
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2012-12-20T03:10:21  <crimbox> python tcpclient.py 106.187.44.50 2090 "python MyBot.py" tinny 2
2012-12-20T03:14:52  <smiley1983> missing password - adding one might give more info
2012-12-20T03:15:34  <crimbox> python tcpclient.py 106.187.44.50 2090 "python MyBot.py" tinny password -1
2012-12-20T03:15:45  <crimbox> error code 400. Message: Bad request version ('password').
2012-12-20T03:16:02  <crimbox> Error code explanation: 400 = Bad request syntax or unsupported method.
2012-12-20T03:17:09  <smiley1983> hm... are you certain you're running python2 and not python3?
2012-12-20T03:17:23  <crimbox> ah i see
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2012-12-20T03:19:09  <crimbox> i have python 2.7.1
2012-12-20T03:19:59  <crimbox> and running python2 gives me: -bash: python2: command not found
2012-12-20T03:20:59  <antimatroid> smiley1983: i fought against hard coding the time limit in pw for so long, but in the end it had to happen
2012-12-20T03:21:10  <antimatroid> i ended up winning a bunch of games in the final tournament because I had it hardcoded
2012-12-20T03:21:24  <antimatroid> well, at least a few that i noticed
2012-12-20T03:21:48  <antimatroid> it would have been nice if it was an input parameter though
2012-12-20T03:23:07  <smiley1983> antimatroid: yes, mine was completely oblivious to the length of the game, and was weaker for it
2012-12-20T03:23:36  <smiley1983> crimbox: what do you get when you just run "python" on the commandline by itself?
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2012-12-20T03:24:03  <crimbox> Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Jun 16 2011, 16:59:05)
2012-12-20T03:25:14  <smiley1983> hm... if you're actually setting the password to "password" then it may be failing because of that, but I don't know why it would give that error message if that were the case
2012-12-20T03:25:41  <crimbox> i changed the password and get the same error
2012-12-20T03:27:47  <smiley1983> ah, you're connecting to port 2090; should be 2091 for tcp
2012-12-20T03:27:51  <smiley1983> 2090 for the webserver
2012-12-20T03:28:27  <crimbox> nice!
2012-12-20T03:29:54  <crimbox> this is excellent
2012-12-20T03:30:20  <crimbox> is there any worry about people running bad code?
2012-12-20T03:30:29  <crimbox> or purposely harmful code?
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2012-12-20T03:36:02  <smiley1983> crimbox: my connection died at just that moment, which will be why the game didn't run
2012-12-20T03:36:28  <crimbox> the starter bot always breaks for some reason
2012-12-20T03:37:00  <smiley1983> If it's unmodified from the contest, it won't know about the "ready" line at the end of the first turn
2012-12-20T03:37:13  <smiley1983> It just has to respond to "ready" the same as "go"
2012-12-20T03:37:36  <smiley1983> and not crash when it gets an unexpected line saying "turn n"
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2012-12-20T03:38:27  <smiley1983> As for people running malicious code: since it's not running on your server, it's only a risk if there's some unknown insecurity in the program's parsing of the orders sent
2012-12-20T03:39:26  <smiley1983> given that the webserver part handled all the sqlmap attacks without problems, I think it's probably pretty secure
2012-12-20T03:42:34  <crimbox> awesome got the bot working
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2012-12-20T03:43:02  <loskana> hi everybody
2012-12-20T03:43:18  <smiley1983> Hi
2012-12-20T03:43:21  <smiley1983> crimbox: great :)
2012-12-20T03:43:43  <crimbox> the web server seems to be down thogh
2012-12-20T03:44:04  <antimatroid> crimbox: have you written a bot previously?
2012-12-20T03:44:10  <loskana> how's the day?
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2012-12-20T03:44:22  <crimbox> i wrote one for pw in c++ when the comp was on
2012-12-20T03:44:25  <antimatroid> loskana: good, summer is awesome
2012-12-20T03:44:35  <antimatroid> pw was fun
2012-12-20T03:44:40  <antimatroid> tron was still my favourite though
2012-12-20T03:44:47  <antimatroid> +1 for c++
2012-12-20T03:45:01  <loskana> summer? i sincerely envy you xD
2012-12-20T03:45:31  <loskana> i mostly played with ants... i think it was awesome
2012-12-20T03:45:39  <antimatroid> we have our fair share of australians on here
2012-12-20T03:46:29  <smiley1983> I think the webserver might crash when people try to look at the maps (it expects maps in the Ants format)
2012-12-20T03:48:16  <crimbox> yea i rebooted and it works
2012-12-20T03:48:23  <crimbox> this is awesome
2012-12-20T03:48:29  <smiley1983> antimatroid: though this one can't wait for winter to roll around again :)
2012-12-20T03:48:34  <crimbox> anyone actually play galcon?
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2012-12-20T03:49:12  <smiley1983> yes, the tcp server setup is great; I used a local copy for much of my local testing in Ants
2012-12-20T03:49:33  <smiley1983> I have never played galcon, but planetwars was one of the best things I've ever worked on
2012-12-20T03:49:50  <crimbox> my pw bot came 1800
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2012-12-20T03:50:14  <crimbox> its cool how they still have al lthe games up
2012-12-20T03:50:35  <smiley1983> yes, I'm glad they're still there too
2012-12-20T03:51:57  <antimatroid> smiley1983: but why?
2012-12-20T03:52:11  <antimatroid> i played quite a bit of galcon during pw
2012-12-20T03:52:30  <antimatroid> crimbox: my pw bot came 36
2012-12-20T03:53:05  <crimbox> its first place or nothing so we're on the same level!
2012-12-20T03:53:09  <loskana> any chance they will reboot the ai challenge? ^^
2012-12-20T03:53:11  <antimatroid> word :)
2012-12-20T03:53:27  <antimatroid> loskana: a few things need to be done, and nobody has time
2012-12-20T03:53:34  <antimatroid> eventually hopefully something will happen
2012-12-20T03:53:53  <antimatroid> most notably we need to become a non-profit
2012-12-20T03:54:45  <smiley1983> antimatroid: I just like cold weather. Autumn is my favourite season, with winter being a close second, and the other two trailing massively because of the hay fever and heat they bring.
2012-12-20T03:55:05  <smiley1983> I think one of the admins said they might try to get something happening early next year
2012-12-20T03:55:07  <antimatroid> i don't have hay fever and the heat isn't so bad most of the time in tassie :)
2012-12-20T03:55:13  <antimatroid> which admin?
2012-12-20T03:55:16  <smiley1983> that's true
2012-12-20T03:55:23  <loskana> antimatroid: why a non-profit? now what is it?
2012-12-20T03:55:33  <antimatroid> at the moment it's not really anything
2012-12-20T03:55:38  <antimatroid> it goes on jeff's tax
2012-12-20T03:55:43  <antimatroid> at least i think
2012-12-20T03:55:54  <antimatroid> so we can't take donations for example
2012-12-20T03:55:59  <smiley1983> um... either amstan or janzert, I think the latter. Definitely not j3camero.
2012-12-20T03:56:08  <antimatroid> hehe, was going to say :P
2012-12-20T03:56:23  <antimatroid> i am always happy to write map gens
2012-12-20T03:56:27  <antimatroid> and c++ starter bots
2012-12-20T03:57:05  <loskana> animatroid: uh... i understand
2012-12-20T03:57:14  <loskana> we need a new "boss"
2012-12-20T03:57:37  <antimatroid> if i was a billionaire i'd employ janzert full time
2012-12-20T03:57:52  <antimatroid> he is the hero of the aichallenges (sorry, I'll stop with the highlighting now :P)
2012-12-20T03:57:58  <crimbox> thanks for the help smiley1983. cant wait to start making my own bot now
2012-12-20T03:58:09  <crimbox> good night!
2012-12-20T03:58:21  <loskana> smiley1983: this morning i've spent 20 minutes trying to un-freeze my car. and the winter is going to last for a long time.
2012-12-20T03:58:40  <antimatroid> today i did shit in the garden, in shorts and a shirt :)
2012-12-20T03:58:49  <loskana> antimatroid: an open-source project? could it work?
2012-12-20T03:59:00  <antimatroid> it already is open source
2012-12-20T03:59:35  <smiley1983> crimbox: good night, good luck with the bot creation!
2012-12-20T03:59:56  <smiley1983> loskana: yes, I might be less keen on winter if that was what I had to contend with
2012-12-20T04:00:02  <antimatroid> smiley1983: i had my confirmation of candidature the other day, 1 year progress check (/chance for the uni to kick me out if the want)
2012-12-20T04:00:04  <smiley1983> in Sydney it never drops below freezing
2012-12-20T04:00:08  <antimatroid> that's a weight off my back just before christmas
2012-12-20T04:01:24  <smiley1983> antimatroid: Congratulations :)
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2012-12-20T04:02:03  <loskana> yeah!
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2012-12-20T04:19:48  <mcstar> in the meantime, im going for a ride
2012-12-20T04:19:57  <mcstar> in my room!
2012-12-20T04:20:08  <mcstar> thats right, folks, spin bike arrived
2012-12-20T04:35:00  <mcstar> well, i put it in my room, turned one monitor towards it
2012-12-20T04:35:17  <mcstar> lets watch something
2012-12-20T04:42:51  <loskana> goog fitness xD
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2012-12-20T04:57:40  <antimatroid> mcstar: i have new wheels for my skateboard
2012-12-20T04:57:44  <antimatroid> bones stf <3
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2012-12-20T05:20:38  <mcstar> this was great
2012-12-20T05:20:52  <mcstar> the wheel's pretty hot
2012-12-20T05:22:34  <antimatroid> that* was great
2012-12-20T05:22:41  <antimatroid> or this *is great
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2012-12-20T05:33:34  <mcstar> antimatroid: i just finished when i said that
2012-12-20T05:34:00  <mcstar> imagine, that i said it when i was still on the bike
2012-12-20T05:34:11  <mcstar> (but since i had to type it...)
2012-12-20T05:34:24  <mcstar> anyway, that was great
2012-12-20T05:34:30  <mcstar> but i dont want to over exert myself
2012-12-20T05:35:40  <mcstar> antimatroid: what happened to your old wheels?
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2012-12-20T05:37:03  <mcstar> do they break? or only the bearing gives in?
2012-12-20T05:37:37  <mcstar> yeah, pls, time out when im talking to you :(
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2012-12-20T05:43:47  <mcstar> antimatroid: i was writing to you when you disconnected :(
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2012-12-20T05:55:11  <antimatroid> mcstar: my network died :(
2012-12-20T05:55:22  <antimatroid> so i put my new wheels on ready for tomorrow
2012-12-20T05:55:37  <antimatroid> $70 for wheels is so expensive :|
2012-12-20T05:56:16  <antimatroid> a good set up for a skateboard in Australia is like $300 :|
2012-12-20T05:58:12  <mcstar> yeah, thats expensive
2012-12-20T05:58:19  <mcstar> they dont really cost that much
2012-12-20T05:58:31  <mcstar> cost of manufacturing..
2012-12-20T05:59:02  <mcstar> antimatroid: why did you need new wheels?
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2012-12-20T05:59:53  <antimatroid> mcstar; other ones have flat spots, too many sess slides
2012-12-20T05:59:55  <mcstar> i bet if you had used it properly you wouldnt need new wheels
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2012-12-20T06:00:21  <antimatroid> they got fucked when i slid down a quarter side ways while falling, with my full weight on the wheel
2012-12-20T06:00:24  <antimatroid> since it wasn't rotating, bam
2012-12-20T06:00:31  <antimatroid> they were getting reasonably small anyway
2012-12-20T06:01:11  <mcstar> you could have artificially wear other parts of the wheel to fit
2012-12-20T06:01:20  <antimatroid> they're about $36 online with postage
2012-12-20T06:01:44  <antimatroid> but i know and like the guy who owns the skate shop here, so meh
2012-12-20T06:01:47  <mcstar> this bike came with plastic pedals but it had metal ones on the picture :(
2012-12-20T06:02:10  <mcstar> and i had to fit the spin wheel to make it vertical
2012-12-20T06:02:27  <mcstar> but otherwise, it is ok
2012-12-20T06:03:30  <antimatroid> mcstar: how's the bike?
2012-12-20T06:03:38  <antimatroid> i bet it's not as fun as doing skids down hills
2012-12-20T06:03:44  <antimatroid> :p
2012-12-20T06:04:40  <mcstar> i dont know what fun you are talking about
2012-12-20T06:04:47  <mcstar> i stay away from dangerous things
2012-12-20T06:05:32  <mcstar> im have to come up with an exercise plan
2012-12-20T06:06:00  <mcstar> i mean, the 'ride it when you feel like it' is probably not the best way to go
2012-12-20T06:07:21  <antimatroid> ride it when can
2012-12-20T06:07:23  <antimatroid> you*
2012-12-20T06:07:30  <antimatroid> dangerous is fun
2012-12-20T06:07:39  <antimatroid> i like flying through the air or sideways
2012-12-20T06:08:22  <antimatroid> you can launch surprisingly high out of stuff on a skateboard if you get enough speed
2012-12-20T06:14:24  <mcstar> antimatroid: this phone doesnt take too good pictures, it looks better in real life (and 3D) http://i.imgur.com/wJrKb.jpg
2012-12-20T06:15:28  <antimatroid> slam the stem bro
2012-12-20T06:15:35  <antimatroid> optimal aero
2012-12-20T06:15:59  <antimatroid> looks pretty good though
2012-12-20T06:17:29  <mcstar> it was pretty cheap, i got it -30%
2012-12-20T06:18:01  <mcstar> 330 aud
2012-12-20T06:22:00  <antimatroid> that's pretty good
2012-12-20T06:22:08  <antimatroid> though i dunno what the standard price for them is :P
2012-12-20T06:23:18  <mcstar> they can be pretty expensive, especially those models that can be used in a fitness salon
2012-12-20T06:23:53  <mcstar> i hate when i cant find the right word
2012-12-20T06:24:07  <mcstar> probably you dont call tha place 'fitness saloon'
2012-12-20T06:24:25  <mcstar> fitness center
2012-12-20T06:26:51  <antimatroid> it's called a gym :P
2012-12-20T06:27:24  <antimatroid> salon is a hairdressers, saloon sounds western
2012-12-20T06:28:22  <mcstar> heh
2012-12-20T06:28:25  <mcstar> i guess
2012-12-20T06:28:29  <mcstar> but thats not a gym
2012-12-20T06:28:51  <mcstar> it is something lighter, full of women?
2012-12-20T06:29:05  <mcstar> but i think fitness center is ok
2012-12-20T06:29:24  <mcstar> a gym is full of sweating beef cakes
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2012-12-20T06:34:38  <antimatroid> both are called gyms in australia
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2012-12-20T07:27:09  <mcstar> great, i fixed my cuda error
2012-12-20T07:27:16  <mcstar> i had a misaligned read
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2012-12-20T22:47:26  <crimbox> smiley1983, is there anyway i can seperate the webserver stuff into php files?
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2012-12-20T23:07:47  <crimbox> and where is the actual data for each game stored?
2012-12-20T23:09:33  <crimbox> nvm i found it
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2012-12-20T23:24:43  <smiley1983> crimbox: I don't know about separating it into php files; I imagine it's possible. (I didn't write any of this web/tcp material, btw, I just modified and ran berak's code)
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