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But 2 years to late :-( 2013-02-22T11:41:10 i'm waiting for the next challenge. 2013-02-22T11:42:06 yeah, well, bad news, it is not known when it'll be ready 2013-02-22T11:42:30 i dont think it will take another 2 years, though 2013-02-22T11:42:55 is the topic known? 2013-02-22T11:43:02 no 2013-02-22T11:43:48 oh, i almost forgot 2013-02-22T11:44:09 there is are some servers managed by smiley1983, maybe you can play there 2013-02-22T11:44:14 -is 2013-02-22T11:44:25 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2013-02-22T11:44:31 im not sure if they are still up, ask him 2013-02-22T11:45:04 it is not as good as a full out ai challenge, but it is good for a hobby project 2013-02-22T11:45:42 lol he just got disconnected 2013-02-22T11:46:06 :D 2013-02-22T11:46:36 @later tell smiley1983 if your servers are still running, maybe you should put the link to them in the topic of the channel 2013-02-22T11:46:36 mcstar: I think that worked... 2013-02-22T11:48:18 who is working on the next contest? google? 2013-02-22T11:48:52 google has very little to do with this contest 2013-02-22T11:49:01 they 'just' gave the money to run it 2013-02-22T11:49:20 they are the money, but other than that nothing 2013-02-22T11:49:41 and noone is working on the next contest 2013-02-22T11:50:10 the issue here is leadership 2013-02-22T11:50:23 thestinger: what do you think about dart? 2013-02-22T11:50:33 sucks! :P 2013-02-22T11:50:53 you read it somewhere or this comes from experience? 2013-02-22T11:51:03 I looked at their docs 2013-02-22T11:51:34 they took js and made it more like java 2013-02-22T11:51:39 it's better than js... I guess 2013-02-22T11:51:52 but not better *enough* 2013-02-22T11:51:59 I don't really see why it's worth the trouble of using 2013-02-22T11:52:25 it's not like javascript is that bad.... it's arguably a better language than python, it just doesn't have anything to compete with python's awesome stdlib 2013-02-22T11:53:14 what language would you use that compiles to javascript? 2013-02-22T11:54:04 just javascript :P 2013-02-22T11:54:10 i thought so 2013-02-22T11:54:48 altjs lists a shitload of them 2013-02-22T11:55:13 there are too many and they only exist because people have irrational fear of js 2013-02-22T11:55:17 are there useful ones? maybe 2013-02-22T11:55:22 but they're drowned in all the ones that aren't 2013-02-22T11:55:30 I doubt *any* of them has enough devs behind it to be worth using 2013-02-22T11:56:22 I don't understand why coffeescript needs 20 dialects 2013-02-22T11:56:27 that fear is not totally irrational 2013-02-22T11:56:48 i dont want to program in browser-c 2013-02-22T11:56:54 it is when they don't improve js 2013-02-22T11:56:59 they don't add a nice type system 2013-02-22T11:57:03 all they do is change the syntax 2013-02-22T11:57:08 most, at least 2013-02-22T11:57:27 what do you think about kotlin? 2013-02-22T11:57:31 there is an ocaml to js compiler 2013-02-22T11:57:41 mcstar: there's also LLVM IR -> js 2013-02-22T11:57:43 and i think fay is pure haskell 2013-02-22T11:58:03 but i dont think there is an ecosystem for that 2013-02-22T11:58:34 you take a proper language, and this is not enough to replace js 2013-02-22T11:58:43 Xaseron: if I'm going to like a language it needs sum types, type classes and deterministic destructors :P 2013-02-22T11:58:55 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T12:00:07 i would either like an ML variant or a lisp variant 2013-02-22T12:00:45 mcstar: clojure then 2013-02-22T12:00:59 it compiles to js 2013-02-22T12:01:04 i didnt know that 2013-02-22T12:01:11 wait, i knew 2013-02-22T12:01:19 i knew they planned it 2013-02-22T12:01:54 * thestinger wonders how efficient it could possibly be 2013-02-22T12:02:05 don't they use a lot of persistent data structures? 2013-02-22T12:02:14 i wanted to look at ballard's code 2013-02-22T12:02:24 but he didnt make it available 2013-02-22T12:02:36 you know, the i386 js emulator 2013-02-22T12:02:39 oh 2013-02-22T12:02:41 yeah 2013-02-22T12:02:53 mcstar: he used typed arrays 2013-02-22T12:02:58 he made his own heap 2013-02-22T12:03:00 that he said 2013-02-22T12:03:33 mcstar: http://asmjs.org/spec/latest/ 2013-02-22T12:03:38 basically, he only used array lookups i guess 2013-02-22T12:04:01 * thestinger knows some of the people working on asm.js now :P 2013-02-22T12:04:07 it's silly 2013-02-22T12:04:12 but I guess it's useful 2013-02-22T12:04:45 why silly? 2013-02-22T12:05:17 mcstar: because they're using js as a compile target 2013-02-22T12:05:21 so it still has to be valid js 2013-02-22T12:05:28 but they're going to make a separate compiler for it 2013-02-22T12:05:41 but it has to run in browsers without that specialized compiler too 2013-02-22T12:05:59 o/ 2013-02-22T12:06:17 *** btiberi has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2013-02-22T12:06:23 but... if you write something that's unusable without speed - you're limiting it to just the browsers that implement this really 2013-02-22T12:06:36 which atm is zero but will probably be firefox followed by chromium 2013-02-22T12:06:39 maybe 2013-02-22T12:06:46 unless google really wants to push dart, then they won't 2013-02-22T12:07:08 UncleVasya: hey 2013-02-22T12:07:21 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T12:07:27 hey 2013-02-22T12:08:22 'The asm.js sub-language is defined by a static type system that can be checked at JavaScript parse time. Validation of asm.js code is designed to be "pay-as-you-go" in that it is never performed on code that does not request it. An asm.js module requests validation by means of a special prologue directive, similar to that of ECMAScript Edition 5's strict mode' 2013-02-22T12:08:22 *** btiberi has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T12:08:30 some time later im gonna try out one of these languages to write some browser app 2013-02-22T12:09:08 it's a great idea within the limitations they have (has to be able to run as regular js) 2013-02-22T12:09:29 but it's a stupid limitation :P 2013-02-22T12:09:31 you steer the conversation in the wrong direction 2013-02-22T12:09:39 i dont care about js assembly 2013-02-22T12:09:58 well just use clojure then! 2013-02-22T12:10:05 they officially support it 2013-02-22T12:10:17 i probably wont, but its a good idea 2013-02-22T12:10:19 and the other languages are sketchy 2013-02-22T12:11:03 ms has something called typescript 2013-02-22T12:11:44 theres a compiler that compiles f# to typescript 2013-02-22T12:12:09 but typescript is a superset of js, isn't it? 2013-02-22T12:12:23 thats what they say 2013-02-22T12:12:25 does it compile to js? 2013-02-22T12:12:30 but f# is not that bad 2013-02-22T12:12:35 yes 2013-02-22T12:12:37 ah 2013-02-22T12:13:18 mcstar: the DOM is all dynamically typed though 2013-02-22T12:13:20 it would be painful 2013-02-22T12:13:32 sum types everywhere 2013-02-22T12:13:47 unless I misunderstand how it works 2013-02-22T12:14:31 I mean you can have code as the value of DOM stuff 2013-02-22T12:14:31 idk how the dom is represented in a statically typed language 2013-02-22T12:15:50 https://github.com/jaked/ocamljs/blob/master/examples/dom/canvas/canvas.ml 2013-02-22T12:16:11 ocaml has classes, so it is not a problem i guess 2013-02-22T12:20:13 fay code has to interface with its ffi, that means the dom, and that untyped i think 2013-02-22T12:20:35 thats* 2013-02-22T12:22:43 mcstar: or just use http://sweetjs.org/ :P 2013-02-22T12:29:22 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0) 2013-02-22T12:34:51 sweet jesus 2013-02-22T12:36:11 i havent finished the macro tutorial yet 2013-02-22T12:36:20 so, i think i skip it for the moment 2013-02-22T12:36:55 (by macro tutorial i mean PG's on lisp book) 2013-02-22T12:41:09 i think this guy is after me, thats why i cant upload solutions, he must have rigged the system to reject my solutions 2013-02-22T12:41:20 bastard 2013-02-22T12:41:58 straight line programs should rot in hell 2013-02-22T12:43:09 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T12:51:50 stupid windows, "this copy of windows is not genuine" every time i start up this vm 2013-02-22T12:52:14 its like KMS activation is not permanent 2013-02-22T12:54:31 mcstar: do you have static assigned mac address? 2013-02-22T12:54:54 i dont think it is changed on every reboot 2013-02-22T12:55:26 it is ridiculous that activation depends on such details 2013-02-22T12:55:49 what do you use to virtualize? 2013-02-22T12:56:12 i dont think it should matter 2013-02-22T12:56:24 it is virtualbox 2013-02-22T12:56:37 im gonna check the mac address but afaik it is static 2013-02-22T12:57:04 the virtual hardware doesnt change between startups 2013-02-22T13:00:23 *** btiberi has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2013-02-22T13:10:23 this is weird 2013-02-22T13:10:53 some latex formulas on wiki have transparent background, some of them have white, that are distinct from the page's background color 2013-02-22T13:11:40 like, 1 formula is 100% transparent, the one right next to it, has some white tint 2013-02-22T13:12:12 i only noticed this because i using my old crt 2013-02-22T13:12:17 im* 2013-02-22T13:12:32 *** mviel has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2013-02-22T13:25:45 i think i overworked my legs a little 2013-02-22T13:33:22 *** fallen9900 has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T13:34:44 any idea on if the aichallenge will ever be continued ? 2013-02-22T13:35:03 yes, definitely 2013-02-22T13:35:23 the idea is that it will be continued, just dont hold your breath 2013-02-22T13:36:11 aichallenge is coming. it's not coming in your lifetime but it's coming :D 2013-02-22T13:37:03 now you made a joke out of it 2013-02-22T13:37:14 * UncleVasya stole this phrase from Dwarf Fortress autor 2013-02-22T13:38:12 *** kilae has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0/20130215130331]) 2013-02-22T13:38:31 do you know of any other similar competitions ? 2013-02-22T13:38:40 hackerrank 2013-02-22T13:38:50 aisandox 2013-02-22T13:39:36 calcium sandox 2013-02-22T13:39:41 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T13:40:23 aichallenge was quite unique 2013-02-22T13:40:26 rest in peace 2013-02-22T13:40:44 long live hope 2013-02-22T13:41:12 long tight rope 2013-02-22T13:42:24 run for pope 2013-02-22T13:43:05 run from cop 2013-02-22T13:44:17 after zannick: here's your coke 2013-02-22T13:44:37 in your sock 2013-02-22T13:45:10 thanks. I'll have a look into these challenges . I hope the ai challenge returns 2013-02-22T13:45:24 just like the proverbial jedi 2013-02-22T13:45:32 wait, this is not quite rhymes already 2013-02-22T13:46:28 fallen9900: maybe check the site in every months at most once, i dont think you will miss anything 2013-02-22T13:46:33 -s 2013-02-22T13:48:19 sure thing . I have been doing that since the end of the last challenge, and I started to loose hope. but if there is another one, I will definitely join. 2013-02-22T13:49:55 i wonder how does loose hope look like 2013-02-22T13:50:47 *** fallen9900 has left #aichallenge 2013-02-22T13:50:59 no, i wonder how fixed hope looks like 2013-02-22T13:51:26 "when hope breaks loose" 2013-02-22T13:56:30 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-02-22T13:59:06 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2013-02-22T14:17:56 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T14:18:59 *** janzert has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2013-02-22T14:52:51 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T15:01:14 *** Garf has quit IRC (Quit: Make a new plan, Stan!) 2013-02-22T15:01:48 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-02-22T15:15:17 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-02-22T15:19:19 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T15:21:34 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2013-02-22T15:56:06 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2013-02-22T16:57:35 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T17:32:00 *** mleise1 has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T17:35:30 *** mleise has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-02-22T18:04:47 *** dici has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T18:12:00 *** dici has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-02-22T20:29:00 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T20:29:01 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2013-02-22T21:13:14 *** blkperl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2013-02-22T21:13:31 *** nibalizer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-02-22T21:18:42 *** blkperl has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T21:21:22 *** Scooper has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2013-02-22T21:21:45 *** nibalizer has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T21:28:05 *** nibalizer has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2013-02-22T21:37:20 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T22:06:09 *** foRei has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2013-02-22T23:21:26 *** djr_ has joined #aichallenge 2013-02-22T23:25:50 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0)