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2013-02-24T05:47:03  <mcstar> mleise: aliens: colonial marines is out
2013-02-24T05:47:31  <mcstar> im reading a review, they say it's quite bad
2013-02-24T05:54:39  <mleise> you knew you would get me with that, right? good morning.
2013-02-24T05:55:07  <mcstar> good noon
2013-02-24T05:55:37  <mcstar> good thing, is that i am not spoiled by today's computer games at all
2013-02-24T05:55:46  <mcstar> so i can still enjoy it when/if i will
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2013-02-24T05:58:30  <mleise> they have a nice cinematic trailer there with chilling music
2013-02-24T05:59:05  <mcstar> link?
2013-02-24T05:59:15  <mleise> but through the video you wonder why they thought it was a good idea.
2013-02-24T06:00:24  <mleise> i mean its like a drug trip and the marines are like "oh we've got ten aliens around us. ah right, got to ready my gun. uh... man im so stoned. what next.. aim? yeah right and fire"
2013-02-24T06:00:36  <mleise> http://www.pcgames.de/Aliens-Colonial-Marines-PC-212549/News/Aliens-Colonial-Marines-Extended-Cut-des-Contact-Trailers-erschienen-1054365/
2013-02-24T06:01:08  <mleise> "extended cut of the contact trailer"
2013-02-24T06:01:34  <mcstar> lol
2013-02-24T06:01:45  <mcstar> aliens: stoned marines
2013-02-24T06:04:51  <mleise> hehe
2013-02-24T06:05:56  <mleise> It looks alright. Nothing too innovative when you've seen other recent team play games and the 2010 AvP.
2013-02-24T06:07:41  <mleise> I just heard in a commentary that the A.I. soldiers are invincible, there is no friendly fire and they seem to know they cannot die and run right in front of guns.
2013-02-24T06:10:10  <mcstar> i am not amazed by the trailer either
2013-02-24T06:11:07  <mcstar> mleise: they should have consulted with xathis for ai tips and tricks
2013-02-24T06:11:32  <mleise> oh yeah. outsourcing the ai department to xathis
2013-02-24T06:12:09  <mleise> Actually this was one good game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5vqQJyAKpM
2013-02-24T06:12:54  <mleise> Rather long, good atmosphere and some story to follow along.
2013-02-24T06:13:30  <mcstar> i never know if this is the one i played with or not
2013-02-24T06:14:33  <mcstar> it is
2013-02-24T06:17:42  <mleise> It is quite memorable for the mission where you start at an APC, then move through a maze like complex with the rain pouring in until you find the missing soldier only to see her die from an alien inside. then the rest of the team starts acting nervous over comm and tells you to get the fuck out of there. and then your motion tracker starts beeping and aliens start to chase you as you try to reach the APC again.
2013-02-24T06:19:58  <mcstar> i dont think i did marine
2013-02-24T06:20:15  <mcstar> maybe i did, idk, i definitely did predator
2013-02-24T06:20:28  <mcstar> and being a xenomorph was hard
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2013-02-24T06:31:23  <mleise> That's it, the best mission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM1TyTNaSH0
2013-02-24T06:31:53  <mleise> but yeah, health was a problem as alien. for the marine it was sometimes ammo where aliens had unlimited respawns
2013-02-24T06:32:35  <mleise> not as bas as the first game though, where enemies spawned in endless streams everywhere
2013-02-24T06:34:49  <mleise> ah great level design... waiting in the elevator with alien sounds around you... slowed down by a low passage, desorienting darkness and flickering lights
2013-02-24T06:35:19  <mleise> and people constantly telling you what a suicidal idea it is
2013-02-24T06:35:21  <mcstar> shit in the pants moments
2013-02-24T06:35:31  <mleise> in short, yes
2013-02-24T06:35:48  <mcstar> playing in a dark room helps
2013-02-24T06:36:45  <mcstar> the lighting from the gun is such a joke
2013-02-24T06:37:14  <mcstar> when the imaginary beam would hit a surface, the put a spotlight right above the surface, pointing in the surface normal down
2013-02-24T06:39:24  <mleise> I know, it's pretty bad. Actually Half-Life did the same
2013-02-24T06:40:40  <mleise> Oh and please play the level "Bait" from Starship Troopers once in your life on no less than normal difficulty
2013-02-24T06:41:26  <mleise> You get the feeling the guy in the middle is actually the level designer... "More! Need more bugs!"
2013-02-24T06:42:02  <mleise> when you survive to the part where he sais that you are both pretty good an not even half way through ^^
2013-02-24T06:42:11  <mleise> *says
2013-02-24T06:43:30  <mcstar> i think i had a bite of that
2013-02-24T06:43:44  <mcstar> in hl2 antlions are basically the bugs from starship troopers
2013-02-24T06:44:23  <mleise> yes, but half-life cannot render so many of them without FPS drops
2013-02-24T06:44:50  <mleise> you can never stand in the middle of 50 attacking antlions
2013-02-24T06:45:03  <mcstar> thats suicide
2013-02-24T06:45:16  <mcstar> you cant shoot 360 all the time
2013-02-24T06:45:29  <mleise> no and that's why in this level you die
2013-02-24T06:45:40  <mcstar> :D
2013-02-24T06:45:49  <mcstar> you cant survive?
2013-02-24T06:46:50  <mleise> hardly. when I did, I used corners where the AI had difficulties reaching me. In effect the bugs got so close to each other that they pushed each other away
2013-02-24T06:47:08  <mcstar> hehe
2013-02-24T06:47:11  <mleise> that was after maybe 30 restarts
2013-02-24T06:47:14  <mcstar> now lets do that on S^2
2013-02-24T06:47:41  <mleise> S^2?
2013-02-24T06:47:53  <mcstar> the 3 dimensional sphere
2013-02-24T06:47:57  <mleise> and you regenerate health like in Halo or Assasins creed
2013-02-24T06:48:24  <mcstar> a 2 dimensional surface with no corners or boundaries embedded in 3d space
2013-02-24T06:48:28  <mleise> and you are not alone. there are quite a few AI soldiers around you, too. friendly fire is off
2013-02-24T06:48:49  <mcstar> i never played those games
2013-02-24T06:49:03  <mcstar> no, thats not true
2013-02-24T06:49:15  <mcstar> i played a couple of minutes with halo something
2013-02-24T06:49:31  <mcstar> i was on a ship, and there was some trouble
2013-02-24T06:49:43  <mcstar> and i had to do something to fix it
2013-02-24T06:49:59  <mcstar> i think the character is called master sergenat
2013-02-24T06:50:04  <mcstar> sergeant*
2013-02-24T06:50:20  <mleise> lol, that's right. that franchise never sticked to me
2013-02-24T06:50:35  <mleise> they used lisp for the ai
2013-02-24T06:50:49  <mcstar> <3
2013-02-24T06:52:21  <mleise> This is the final part of "Bait", note that he is obviously playing on "easy": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5FtznHuOlE
2013-02-24T06:52:55  <mcstar> i have this game, right?
2013-02-24T06:53:22  <mleise> do you?
2013-02-24T06:53:36  <mleise> no i gave you an older realtime strategy one
2013-02-24T06:53:43  <mcstar> oh
2013-02-24T06:53:49  <mcstar> i thought that was this
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2013-02-24T06:54:12  <mcstar> anyway, theres no time for videos now
2013-02-24T06:54:25  <mleise> no? it's sunday.
2013-02-24T06:54:31  <mcstar> ive got a deadline
2013-02-24T06:54:38  <mcstar> im actually writing my thesis
2013-02-24T06:55:27  <mcstar> you know the term bloatware?
2013-02-24T06:56:11  <mcstar> thats what i need to write now, i have to blow up the little stuff i have to look bigger than it really is
2013-02-24T06:56:35  <mcstar> and one way is to put a lot of bloat mixed in
2013-02-24T06:56:54  <mleise> hehe, did you try huge margins yet?
2013-02-24T06:57:08  <mcstar> the default is huge enough
2013-02-24T06:57:21  <mcstar> im not going to increase line spacing, thats ridiculous
2013-02-24T06:58:47  <mleise> line spacing 1.5?
2013-02-24T06:58:53  <mcstar> it is a bit hard to work on 1024x768 though
2013-02-24T06:59:02  <mcstar> and watch this flickery sob screen
2013-02-24T06:59:04  <mleise> did your CRT die?
2013-02-24T06:59:11  <mcstar> the tft died
2013-02-24T06:59:51  <mcstar> one of the ccfl tubes 'burned out', and the electronics switches off both the iverters in 2 seconds after turning it on
2013-02-24T07:00:16  <mcstar> i could still use the panel with 1 ccfl running, it is usable
2013-02-24T07:00:42  <mcstar> anyway, i didnt buy a new monitor, because then i'd be wathvhing my HD movies all day
2013-02-24T07:00:50  <mcstar> and i definitely couldnt finish the thesis
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2013-02-24T07:01:15  <mcstar> (it is not a hard deadline though, just what we agreed on with my supervisor)
2013-02-24T07:01:53  <mleise> and "I watched videos" isn't a good excuse for a delay
2013-02-24T07:04:03  <mleise> I have an old IBM notebook with an old backlight. It starts out all red after a few retries and then slowly crawls to some shade of white.
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2013-02-24T07:04:53  <mcstar> yeah, the lower tube looks pink until it is warmed up
2013-02-24T07:05:54  <mcstar> but apparently, it needs a larger current now that it is burning out, and the inverter switches off after a transient period.
2013-02-24T07:07:04  <mcstar> this burning out only means, i think, that the partial pressure of the metal that the electrodes are made of is increased beyond a threshold
2013-02-24T07:07:11  <mcstar> there is no actual burning out
2013-02-24T07:07:20  <mcstar> these are cold electrodes
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2013-02-24T07:08:31  <mleise> my TFT is pretty warm, I think they are hot electrodes
2013-02-24T07:09:21  <antimatroid> a1k0n: I'm curious about why Google decided to use the definition of atheism that they have? It's a lot stricter than what is used by most people who call themselves atheists..
2013-02-24T07:09:53  <mleise> antimatroid: you are agnostic
2013-02-24T07:09:55  <mcstar> mleise: no they arent
2013-02-24T07:10:09  <mcstar> cold means, the electrons arent thermally excited
2013-02-24T07:10:29  <mleise> ah ok
2013-02-24T07:10:31  <mcstar> they are removed from the metal matrix by the high electrical field, not thermal movement
2013-02-24T07:10:38  <antimatroid> mleise: wut?
2013-02-24T07:10:48  <antimatroid> atheism is to theism what asymmetry is to symmetry
2013-02-24T07:11:08  <antimatroid> but not how Google define it
2013-02-24T07:11:12  <mleise> aren't you arguing that most atheists are actually agnostic like you are? :p
2013-02-24T07:11:28  <antimatroid> it's whether atheism is the lack of belief in a deity of belief in the lack of a deity
2013-02-24T07:11:40  <antimatroid> the later is a stricter than the former obviously
2013-02-24T07:12:02  <antimatroid> most people consider atheism to mean not theist (ie. lacks belief in the existence of a deity)
2013-02-24T07:12:11  <mcstar> i think atheism is the latter one
2013-02-24T07:12:16  <mleise> me too
2013-02-24T07:12:28  <antimatroid> a lot of people disagree
2013-02-24T07:12:28  <mleise> 2 : 1 :D
2013-02-24T07:12:37  <antimatroid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
2013-02-24T07:12:40  <mcstar> antimatroid has a habit of disagreeing
2013-02-24T07:12:42  <mleise> and google is always right
2013-02-24T07:12:49  <antimatroid> Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.
2013-02-24T07:13:14  <mleise> "In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities."
2013-02-24T07:13:16  <mcstar> antimatroid: wiki agrees with us
2013-02-24T07:13:38  <antimatroid> yes, but the more general definition includes what I'm saying
2013-02-24T07:13:55  <antimatroid> wiki isn't agreeing with you
2013-02-24T07:14:00  <mleise> reject is quite a strong word
2013-02-24T07:14:15  <antimatroid> i also reject the belief of no deities existing
2013-02-24T07:14:17  <antimatroid> how's that?
2013-02-24T07:14:22  <antimatroid> but yeah, it is quite strong
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2013-02-24T07:14:41  <mcstar> weird debate
2013-02-24T07:14:45  <antimatroid> it is
2013-02-24T07:14:55  <mcstar> you can argue with antimatroidl though
2013-02-24T07:14:58  <antimatroid> and i really don't care other than being able to put people in their places online :P (you know me)
2013-02-24T07:15:03  <antimatroid> hehe :P
2013-02-24T07:15:14  <antimatroid> antimatroidl: you're a douchenozzle!
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2013-02-24T07:16:00  <mcstar> no response
2013-02-24T07:16:09  <antimatroid> laptop is on my bed :P
2013-02-24T07:16:25  <mleise> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPFs
2013-02-24T07:17:04  <antimatroid> i'm going to go on cause i can :P
2013-02-24T07:18:03  <antimatroid> the people who take atheism to mean not theism generally take gnosticism to mean "the existence of God is knowable" and agnosticism to mean "the existence of God is unknown" though some will have it as "the existence of God is unknowable" (but that's a bullshit way to define it imo)
2013-02-24T07:18:54  <mcstar> im going offline
2013-02-24T07:18:56  <antimatroid> :P
2013-02-24T07:19:04  <mcstar> i need to get this done, sry
2013-02-24T07:19:04  <antimatroid> you're no fun
2013-02-24T07:19:08  <antimatroid> fair enough
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2013-02-24T07:21:04  <mleise> antimatroid: that sounds like boolean algebra to me
2013-02-24T07:21:26  <antimatroid> that's kinda the point
2013-02-24T07:21:30  <antimatroid> the definitions partition people
2013-02-24T07:21:41  <antimatroid> you're either theist of atheist and gnostic or agnostic
2013-02-24T07:21:53  <antimatroid> and if you "don't know" like me, then you're an agnostic atheist
2013-02-24T07:22:23  <mleise> isn't agnostic just enough for you?
2013-02-24T07:22:23  <antimatroid> I'll stop now, it's a stupid debate but it's had quite often and I was just surprised Google have decided to use the strict definition they have :P
2013-02-24T07:22:50  <antimatroid> the names make little sense then
2013-02-24T07:22:53  <mleise> let google have their atheism and you can have your agnosticism and all is good
2013-02-24T07:22:57  <antimatroid> and people are pretty unsure of what is meant
2013-02-24T07:23:21  <antimatroid> it doesn't usually pop up in conversation anyway
2013-02-24T07:33:02  <mleise> "A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities"
2013-02-24T07:38:50  <antimatroid> lol
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2013-02-24T08:32:46  <antimatroid> sigh: do you notice when commenting to me on Reddit? :P
2013-02-24T08:33:05  <sigh> when did I do that?
2013-02-24T08:33:22  <antimatroid> the other day on the philosophy subreddit
2013-02-24T08:33:28  <antimatroid> i am 3206 on reddit these days
2013-02-24T08:33:33  <sigh> ahh
2013-02-24T08:33:57  <antimatroid> i was in melb till yesterday arvo and never got around to responding sorry :P
2013-02-24T08:34:21  <sigh> i was in melb until this evening :P
2013-02-24T08:34:33  <antimatroid> i think you mean yesterday evening :P
2013-02-24T08:34:43  <sigh> ah yes
2013-02-24T08:34:50  <antimatroid> dat heat :(
2013-02-24T08:34:55  <antimatroid> you'd be used to it though
2013-02-24T08:35:01  <antimatroid> no air con at my brother's place either
2013-02-24T08:35:40  <sigh> I had to attend a wedding last week, wearing a suit in 35 heat is not fun
2013-02-24T08:35:49  <sigh> 35 degree
2013-02-24T08:35:52  <antimatroid> yeouch
2013-02-24T08:36:15  <antimatroid> i got to run down a building forwards, that was fun
2013-02-24T08:36:36  <sigh> as opposed to backwards?
2013-02-24T08:36:43  <antimatroid> http://i.imgur.com/WuHyWHi.jpg
2013-02-24T08:36:46  <antimatroid> yeah
2013-02-24T08:37:07  <sigh> that looks interesting
2013-02-24T08:37:11  <sigh> what prompted you to do that?
2013-02-24T08:37:30  <antimatroid> my brother's boss gave him a voucher for christmas or something like that
2013-02-24T08:37:32  <antimatroid> so did it with him
2013-02-24T08:37:38  <sigh> haha
2013-02-24T08:37:44  <antimatroid> was pretty fun
2013-02-24T08:37:58  <sigh> I flew a plane yesterday... that was pretty fun
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2013-02-24T08:38:19  <antimatroid> just randomly? or want to get your license?
2013-02-24T08:38:52  <antimatroid> i boarded my plane in melbourne at 1pm and we didn't end up flying out till about 2:20 or so
2013-02-24T08:39:04  <sigh> a few friends decided to try a lesson, so I tried it as well
2013-02-24T08:39:06  <antimatroid> the air con was broken, then they took like 30+ minutes on paperwork
2013-02-24T08:39:21  <sigh> I'm contemplating keeping it up and going for a licence
2013-02-24T08:39:26  <sigh> ouch
2013-02-24T08:39:36  <antimatroid> would be pretty fun
2013-02-24T08:39:47  <sigh> expensive
2013-02-24T08:39:56  <antimatroid> yeah very
2013-02-24T08:40:08  <antimatroid> good way to woo the ladies too :P
2013-02-24T08:40:12  <sigh> haha
2013-02-24T08:40:18  <antimatroid> "let's go for a fly"
2013-02-24T08:40:48  <sigh> :P
2013-02-24T08:42:23  <antimatroid> who did you fly with?
2013-02-24T08:42:29  <antimatroid> booking a flight with jetstar is now a joke
2013-02-24T08:42:57  <sigh> as in my flight back to sydney? qantas
2013-02-24T08:43:04  <antimatroid> insurance is opt-out, they randomly allocate you a seat and expect you to pay like you chose it (you can deallocate it), and the booking fee is $17 (avoidable with direct deposit)
2013-02-24T08:43:14  <sigh> usually I fly virgin, but qantas had the times I wanted at a cheaper price
2013-02-24T08:43:20  <antimatroid> nice
2013-02-24T08:43:45  <antimatroid> it also cost me $29 to take my skateboard to melbourne and back
2013-02-24T08:44:23  <sigh> ah yeah... budget airlines are no good if you have any extra requirements
2013-02-24T08:45:07  <antimatroid> i personally think free trade people or whatever should reign them in a bit
2013-02-24T08:45:23  <antimatroid> the sales price should including booking fees for example, and possibly even opt out charges
2013-02-24T08:45:37  <antimatroid> and fees should be just that, fees
2013-02-24T08:45:41  <sigh> yeah
2013-02-24T08:46:33  <antimatroid> you've heard about the government asking adobe etc. to turn up and explain their prices yeah?
2013-02-24T08:46:47  <sigh> yup
2013-02-24T08:47:01  <antimatroid> i'm curious to see what the government will do, if anything
2013-02-24T08:47:06  <sigh> i think they reduced the prices, but its still expensive?
2013-02-24T08:47:17  <antimatroid> they reduced the prices for one cloud service
2013-02-24T08:47:24  <antimatroid> it was a bit of a slap in the face
2013-02-24T08:47:47  <antimatroid> though Adobe seem to be moving that direction
2013-02-24T08:47:52  <antimatroid> which makes sense, it's more profitable
2013-02-24T08:48:14  <sigh> yeah
2013-02-24T08:48:14  <antimatroid> i don't like the current trend of moving goods to services
2013-02-24T08:48:29  <antimatroid> i prefer to buy something rather than pay for the right to use something
2013-02-24T08:48:59  <antimatroid> i'm just rambling now :P
2013-02-24T08:49:08  <sigh> part of it profit, but part of it is that it allows can allow for a more powerful product
2013-02-24T08:49:31  <sigh> because you aren't constrained by what the user's computer can handle
2013-02-24T08:49:57  <antimatroid> that's true I guess
2013-02-24T08:50:17  <antimatroid> I will no doubt resist as long as possible anyway :P
2013-02-24T08:50:58  <antimatroid> the same is happening with games too yeah? You pay for the right to play it on your own machine, rather than paying to own a copy of the game
2013-02-24T08:51:09  <sigh> yeah
2013-02-24T08:51:29  <sigh> i prefer it to just buy it outright too
2013-02-24T08:51:33  <antimatroid> that'd be more profit driven, but people don't seem to care all that much
2013-02-24T08:52:40  <sigh> yeah
2013-02-24T08:53:47  <antimatroid> uni classes start again today
2013-02-24T08:54:01  <antimatroid> which means tutes start again next week
2013-02-24T08:54:05  <antimatroid> aka money :)
2013-02-24T08:54:11  <antimatroid> well, more money
2013-02-24T08:54:11  <sigh> ahhh... are you doing your phd now?
2013-02-24T08:54:16  <antimatroid> yeah second year now
2013-02-24T08:54:34  <antimatroid> probably need to knuckle down soon
2013-02-24T08:54:46  <sigh> :)
2013-02-24T08:56:29  <sigh> I should sleep now, work tomorrow
2013-02-24T08:56:36  <antimatroid> night
2013-02-24T08:56:39  <sigh> cya
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