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2013-04-14T09:41:41  <smiley1983> UncleVasya: Am I right in remembering that you made this map? It produces some awesome replays. :) http://li414-97.members.linode.com:2080/replay.42764
2013-04-14T09:46:01  <UncleVasya> smiley1983: on, it was one of the maps I kept in CoolUserMaps folder during contest
2013-04-14T09:46:18  <UncleVasya> and send them to you
2013-04-14T09:47:19  <UncleVasya> heh, indeed greate replay
2013-04-14T09:47:25  <UncleVasya> *great
2013-04-14T09:57:18  <UncleVasya> i remember this map was a hard one for my bot because of its size :) After some amount of time most of his ants were freezed (my BFS couldn't handle such area).
2013-04-14T10:10:12  <smiley1983> UncleVasya: I was (slightly) disappointed when they reduced the maximum map size, my bot handled the huge maps better than most
2013-04-14T10:12:55  <smiley1983> The majority of my BFS operations were across coarse-grained pathfinding nodes (resulting in some odd small-scale pathfinding decisions, but rapid routing of many ants across large areas)
2013-04-14T10:13:30  <smiley1983> I loved the Ants contest. And PlanetWars, even more.
2013-04-14T10:14:05  <smiley1983> Do you know about nodewar? nodewar.com - still in alpha, but offering a 10 bitcoin reward for front runner at end of April.
2013-04-14T10:15:10  <UncleVasya> no, I didn't know. thanks.
2013-04-14T10:15:30  <UncleVasya> But still not finished my second version of Game of Life bot)
2013-04-14T10:15:40  <UncleVasya> for hackerrank
2013-04-14T10:16:37  <UncleVasya> now there seems a plenty of different ai challenges. I wish i had them back in 2008-2009.
2013-04-14T10:17:27  <UncleVasya> arghhh. also I've noticed an interesting thing: without aichallenge I have no practice in English and it got worse :D
2013-04-14T10:18:00  <smiley1983> I'm not sure I would say plenty. It isn't plenty until there's one as good as aichallenge. :)
2013-04-14T10:20:12  <smiley1983> You asked me to report back about Kara no Kyoukai:
2013-04-14T10:20:42  <smiley1983> I liked some elements, but the storytelling style didn't draw me in strongly
2013-04-14T10:21:06  <smiley1983> I may watch more, but not in a hurry (I watched the first installment)
2013-04-14T10:24:05  <antimatroid> smiley1983: i also wrote my bot with larger maps in mind
2013-04-14T10:24:18  <antimatroid> they keep doing that
2013-04-14T10:24:20  <antimatroid> did it in tron
2013-04-14T10:24:35  <antimatroid> maps were meant to be up to 50x50 in tron, ended up being like 15x15
2013-04-14T10:25:12  <antimatroid> i'm a big fan of "these things should be decided long before the contest"
2013-04-14T10:26:00  <smiley1983> it makes a bit of a difference to the priorities; my massively over-engineered pathfinding system may have been justified with maps up to 256x256 :)
2013-04-14T10:26:15  <antimatroid> :p
2013-04-14T10:26:22  <antimatroid> nothing is ever over engineered
2013-04-14T10:26:55  <smiley1983> I don't know... UncleVasya's bot performed a fair bit better than mine, with less than half the lines of code, in the same language
2013-04-14T10:27:17  <antimatroid> oh, well if it made it worse
2013-04-14T10:27:36  <smiley1983> At the very least, I could have put the effort into something else with better effect :)
2013-04-14T10:28:02  <smiley1983> Of course, removing half the lines from my bot would have made it weaker, no matter which bits you took out
2013-04-14T10:28:04  <antimatroid> like chasing people away from your base
2013-04-14T10:28:08  <antimatroid> that was a good strategy
2013-04-14T10:28:42  <antimatroid> ChrisH and I found that very helpful
2013-04-14T10:29:52  <smiley1983> How did you implement it? I had a rule that ants were only allowed to retreat toward the base; it had a similar effect, with ants falling back toward the base until they grouped together, and then moving outward again; but there was no rule to prevent them from chasing enemies toward the base
2013-04-14T10:30:48  <smiley1983> nor logic to tell them how to chase enemies away
2013-04-14T10:38:36  <antimatroid> nah i actually set up a perimeter
2013-04-14T10:38:46  <antimatroid> and would move ants onto shortest paths from enemy ants to my base
2013-04-14T10:38:50  <antimatroid> then try and chase them away
2013-04-14T10:39:28  <antimatroid> i also didn't need to see everything inside my perimeter, only the perimeter provided i knew no enemy ants had breached the perimeter that was fine
2013-04-14T10:40:13  <antimatroid> and you wanted the perimeter to be fairly symmetric distance wise so if you lose on one side you can send back ups from other parts of the perimeter
2013-04-14T10:41:05  <antimatroid> trying to claim territory was a side effect of that
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2013-04-14T10:59:19  <smiley1983> antimatroid: that sounds awesome :)
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2013-04-14T11:01:25  <smiley1983> I thought a bit about trying to form territories before the introduction of hills; once they were introduced, I'm not sure if I went back to the idea, partly because the existence of hills creates a sort of territory, just because ants keep emerging
2013-04-14T11:01:41  <smiley1983> but I do see that active defense could be very useful when done like that
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2013-04-14T11:34:45  <UncleVasya> smiley1983: how did you find nodewar?
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