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2013-04-27T12:00:46 so 2013-04-27T12:00:48 probably it is a startup 2013-04-27T12:00:55 it seems auto fast-forwarded from A to B 2013-04-27T12:00:59 it decides to build C instead 2013-04-27T12:01:01 they will improve on this, when they'll have more money 2013-04-27T12:01:08 where C is some commit that's like 4 months old 2013-04-27T12:01:16 mcstar: it's an open-source community-driven project :( 2013-04-27T12:01:28 mcstar: anyway 2013-04-27T12:01:34 then... they are looking for guys like you 2013-04-27T12:01:36 I'm manually giving it the right builds 2013-04-27T12:01:49 mcstar: yeah, someone like me to rewrite the thing 2013-04-27T12:01:51 anyway, we are digressing from c++ 2013-04-27T12:01:55 it would be like 300 lines of code 2013-04-27T12:02:12 just need workers that connect to the main one and receive a build order and send back the status 2013-04-27T12:02:24 that's like 20 lines 2013-04-27T12:02:37 and the main one needs to dispatch to those, and it needs to watch git branches 2013-04-27T12:02:55 + the code for interaction with humans via the web interface and github 2013-04-27T12:02:57 yeah, but why does it work, when the return type of 'minus' is T also? 2013-04-27T12:03:27 mcstar: hmm? 2013-04-27T12:03:37 yeah, now you are paying attention 2013-04-27T12:03:38 why wouldn't it work ;p 2013-04-27T12:03:57 so, i want to diassociate the return type from the argument types 2013-04-27T12:04:23 template typename OR::R minus(T a, T b).... works 2013-04-27T12:04:33 and it doesnt need c++11 2013-04-27T12:04:41 but thats not general enough 2013-04-27T12:04:43 so, use C++11? ;p 2013-04-27T12:04:47 since the return is T also 2013-04-27T12:04:50 mcstar: http://ompldr.org/vaThtZQ :( 2013-04-27T12:04:53 quality software 2013-04-27T12:05:02 main page refreshes itself every 15 secs 2013-04-27T12:05:07 and 1/10 times it tracebacks 2013-04-27T12:05:46 it currently is doing 3 builds on the auto bots 2013-04-27T12:05:49 and the interface doesn't know 2013-04-27T12:05:55 just find out if there is a regularity, and skip that refresh 2013-04-27T12:06:10 http://buildbot.rust-lang.org/console?branch=auto&refresh=15 supposed to be yellow when doing a build 2013-04-27T12:06:15 http://buildbot.rust-lang.org/builders/auto-mac ongoing build 2013-04-27T12:06:19 http://buildbot.rust-lang.org/builders/auto-linux ongoing build 2013-04-27T12:06:24 http://buildbot.rust-lang.org/builders/auto-win ongoing build 2013-04-27T12:06:26 ;\ 2013-04-27T12:06:27 i see 2013-04-27T12:06:35 you are not interested in c++ anymore 2013-04-27T12:06:38 understandable 2013-04-27T12:06:42 oh well the windows one finished 2013-04-27T12:06:50 because windows doesn't run all the tests 2013-04-27T12:06:53 it's too slow 2013-04-27T12:07:32 an n-ary typelevel OR would be nice 2013-04-27T12:07:40 mcstar: enable_if 2013-04-27T12:07:42 oh 2013-04-27T12:07:44 n-ary 2013-04-27T12:07:46 ;p 2013-04-27T12:08:42 http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/types/conditional http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/types/enable_if http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/types/is_same 2013-04-27T12:08:58 thestinger: can you rewrite the pasted code to do the same thing without using 'using'? 2013-04-27T12:09:06 thats my question basically 2013-04-27T12:09:15 if not just say so, cause i g2g 2013-04-27T12:09:17 mcstar: can't the using just be a struct 2013-04-27T12:09:28 template bla 2013-04-27T12:09:55 i dont see how that would work 2013-04-27T12:10:03 constexpr :) 2013-04-27T12:10:18 * thestinger sighs 2013-04-27T12:10:20 constexpr doesnt operate with types 2013-04-27T12:10:24 afaik 2013-04-27T12:10:34 mcstar: but you can declare a constexpr constructor 2013-04-27T12:10:44 anyway that's C++11 2013-04-27T12:10:48 the aim is, to restrict minus's argument to certain types while keeping them parametric 2013-04-27T12:10:57 mcstar: static_assert then 2013-04-27T12:11:10 in the function body? 2013-04-27T12:11:12 yes 2013-04-27T12:11:20 i guess that could work 2013-04-27T12:11:34 but thats not too template-y 2013-04-27T12:11:34 mcstar: https://github.com/thestinger/util/blob/master/either.hh#L10 can put them basically anywhere 2013-04-27T12:11:41 but probably equally effective 2013-04-27T12:11:49 you get sane errors that way... 2013-04-27T12:12:11 ill look into static assert then 2013-04-27T12:12:23 it's C++11 but there are hacks if you really can't use it 2013-04-27T12:12:29 (not that i need it, i was just reading c++11's wiki) 2013-04-27T12:13:22 thestinger: thanks, good luck with CI 2013-04-27T12:13:36 confidential informant 2013-04-27T12:13:39 luck is definitely needed ;p 2013-04-27T12:32:15 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2013-04-27T12:51:05 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2013-04-27T12:53:05 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2013-04-27T13:03:26 mcstar: I fixed it 2013-04-27T13:03:33 "fixed" 2013-04-27T13:03:40 it's going to break again but I can manually fix it each time 2013-04-27T13:03:42 yay 2013-04-27T13:14:44 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0) 2013-04-27T13:15:01 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2013-04-27T13:26:08 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-04-27T13:26:16 *** thestinger1 has joined #aichallenge 2013-04-27T13:29:42 *** thestinger1 is now known as thestinger 2013-04-27T13:49:06 *** HornyReaper has joined #aichallenge 2013-04-27T14:18:18 *** HornyReaper has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2013-04-27T14:23:01 gr8 2013-04-27T14:25:24 must...resist...the internet 2013-04-27T14:26:16 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-04-27T14:27:20 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2013-04-27T14:31:35 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-04-27T14:31:50 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2013-04-27T14:33:53 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-04-27T14:37:44 mleise: today i remembered, that there is google glass in the matrix, a hud in front of the eye 2013-04-27T14:38:06 the guys who clear the way from sentinels when the APUs are reloaded 2013-04-27T14:38:11 they wear those 2013-04-27T14:38:24 what's a APU? 2013-04-27T14:38:32 oh sorry 2013-04-27T14:38:34 the armors 2013-04-27T14:38:42 the hydraulic things 2013-04-27T14:39:04 i feel stupid now, after watching matrix, avatar, alien, ... i still ask what an apu is 2013-04-27T14:39:06 armored personnel unit 2013-04-27T14:39:20 mleise: whats a hazmat suite? 2013-04-27T14:39:31 maybe it is because I watched Mayday where an APU is obviously the rear auxillary power unit 2013-04-27T14:39:32 dont google 2013-04-27T14:39:39 rolf 2013-04-27T14:39:42 hazardeous material suit 2013-04-27T14:39:43 rofl 2013-04-27T14:39:47 mleise: bingo 2013-04-27T14:39:53 hazardous 2013-04-27T14:41:10 mleise: i dont recall APU's being in Alien 2013-04-27T14:41:12 or Aliens 2013-04-27T14:41:20 of Aliens: Resurrection 2013-04-27T14:41:33 or, whats the 3rd movie 2013-04-27T14:41:38 well not armored but still a powered suit 2013-04-27T14:41:42 yeah 2013-04-27T14:41:49 thats just a powered suite 2013-04-27T14:42:24 ive only seen avatar once, in the movies 2013-04-27T14:42:39 it was my first and last 3d movie 2013-04-27T14:42:47 it was pretty good 2013-04-27T14:42:52 which is kind of the same thing 2013-04-27T14:42:52 like the ones in Matrix and Avatar are open as well 2013-04-27T14:42:55 the visuals... 2013-04-27T14:43:11 what's more different is the idea of a suit that's from elastic materials and not so bulky 2013-04-27T14:43:26 thats a bio suite 2013-04-27T14:43:37 in independence day, in which the aliens live 2013-04-27T14:43:38 hmm 2013-04-27T14:43:41 whats the name 2013-04-27T14:43:48 they call it something 2013-04-27T14:43:53 biomechanical suite 2013-04-27T14:43:57 or something similar 2013-04-27T14:44:04 no idea, i watched that 10 years ago or so 2013-04-27T14:44:13 oh, go and watch it 2013-04-27T14:44:15 great movie 2013-04-27T14:44:24 again? 2013-04-27T14:44:27 bill pullman as the president? 2013-04-27T14:44:29 he rocks 2013-04-27T14:44:39 also will smith is pretty kick ass with the jew 2013-04-27T14:44:50 some movies have strange choice of actors for president 2013-04-27T14:45:16 lol, yeah, like Point Break 2013-04-27T14:46:01 ^ that was a joke 2013-04-27T14:46:16 patrick swayze robs banks in dead presidents' masks 2013-04-27T14:46:20 with his buddies 2013-04-27T14:46:32 I've seen some sub marine hijacking movie recently where the president was ... oh well then again not worse than george w. bush 2013-04-27T14:46:49 ...? 2013-04-27T14:47:14 mleise: was it a sub marine hijacking movie, hijacking a whale for example 2013-04-27T14:47:22 or was it a submarine hijackiong movie? 2013-04-27T14:47:24 -o 2013-04-27T14:48:01 hey, don't correct me by making mistakes yourself 2013-04-27T14:48:17 ;) 2013-04-27T14:49:01 the commander had brain cancer and tried to launch nukes at major cities in the world 2013-04-27T14:49:27 I think it was a cheap remake of another movie with the exact same plot 2013-04-27T14:49:53 which until then I've only seen from Faith Films 2013-04-27T14:50:24 who remade some volcano drama to add some bible references 2013-04-27T14:50:32 o.O 2013-04-27T14:50:42 youve got some weird taste 2013-04-27T14:50:57 i read a scific story 2013-04-27T14:51:00 -c 2013-04-27T14:51:08 Behold the Man 2013-04-27T14:51:12 actually when I see the Faith Film logo I switch the channel :D 2013-04-27T14:51:13 from Moorcock 2013-04-27T14:51:41 never heard of the book or author 2013-04-27T14:51:53 hey I just watched Blade Runner 2013-04-27T14:51:55 it was a time travel story 2013-04-27T14:52:16 guy goes back in time and becomes jesus 2013-04-27T14:52:30 he was a young psychiatrist 2013-04-27T14:52:48 bad writing, really 2013-04-27T14:52:58 i wonder why was it in the 'best scifi stories' pack 2013-04-27T14:53:06 uhm reminds me of that movie with ... what's his name again? he played the mask 2013-04-27T14:53:14 jim carrey 2013-04-27T14:53:20 which movie? 2013-04-27T14:53:31 yes where he travels back in time and becomes the savior 2013-04-27T14:53:37 oh 2013-04-27T14:53:38 for a medieval culture 2013-04-27T14:53:43 is there such a movie? 2013-04-27T14:53:49 is this parody or scifi? 2013-04-27T14:53:56 with a chainsaw on his arm 2013-04-27T14:54:06 mleise: do you mean The Passion of the Christ from mel gibson? 2013-04-27T14:54:26 lol, no. that was not with jim carrey 2013-04-27T14:54:30 no :) 2013-04-27T14:54:36 i havent seen either 2013-04-27T14:54:43 It was a really weird horror movie 2013-04-27T14:54:57 I have it somewhere on my disk, I think from the 70s 2013-04-27T14:55:33 who, must have been a really short movie 2013-04-27T14:55:39 to fit on a disk from the 70s 2013-04-27T14:56:00 wait... he didn't even act back then 2013-04-27T14:56:05 lol 2013-04-27T14:56:13 must have been some other actor or the movie was from the 80s 2013-04-27T14:56:31 i have to finish eternal sunshine of a spotless mind 2013-04-27T14:56:35 i started it years ago 2013-04-27T14:57:31 oh the actor was Ash Williams 2013-04-27T14:57:50 no wait 2013-04-27T14:57:58 that was the finctional character in the movie 2013-04-27T14:58:47 Evil Dead was the movie. Go watch it when you have seen all other movies in the present dimension and universe 2013-04-27T14:58:55 sure 2013-04-27T14:59:04 i think i can safely promise that ill do that 2013-04-27T14:59:53 you know it's so bad... it gives you nightmares of the crazy people that came up with such a horrible horror movie 2013-04-27T15:00:21 Horror - 5 April 2013 (USA) 2013-04-27T15:00:28 thats evil dead? 2013-04-27T15:00:53 or 24 April 1983 (USA) 2013-04-27T15:01:26 bruce campbell does look like a. j. williams 2013-04-27T15:03:06 obviously the 1983 movie, not the 2013 one 2013-04-27T15:03:31 wait, they gave it a remake a few days ago? 2013-04-27T15:03:43 yeah 2013-04-27T15:03:44 and there were 4 video game adaptions? 2013-04-27T15:03:49 yeah 2013-04-27T15:03:55 i think its a cult movie 2013-04-27T15:03:57 I just lost all hope in humanity 2013-04-27T15:04:49 there is even a musical, probably just for the sake of giving makeup artists something to do 2013-04-27T15:05:03 lol 2013-04-27T15:05:08 what? 2013-04-27T15:05:22 you mean those arent real zombies? 2013-04-27T15:05:37 everything is soo phony in hollywood 2013-04-27T15:08:17 * mleise looks up phony 2013-04-27T15:09:33 I prefer movies that feel more real. 2013-04-27T15:09:35 the opposite of real and sincere 2013-04-27T15:10:08 When I keep thinking stuff like "there is no sound in vacuum -.-" it's a bad movie 2013-04-27T15:10:36 pfff 2013-04-27T15:10:49 or sometimes people pick locks in 2 seconds with a Büroklammer 2013-04-27T15:10:55 pfff 2013-04-27T15:11:03 paper clip 2013-04-27T15:11:03 unimportant details 2013-04-27T15:11:28 no, picking locks so fast can mean that the characters can enter before they are detected 2013-04-27T15:11:35 that's a bad solution 2013-04-27T15:11:47 nitpicker 2013-04-27T15:12:05 you could as well make people invulnerable to bullets then 2013-04-27T15:12:10 matrix 2013-04-27T15:12:16 *doh* 2013-04-27T15:12:21 XD 2013-04-27T15:12:39 these are virtual bullets, but yeah matrix is a good example 2013-04-27T15:12:53 but I already told you that you cannot use humans as power plants 2013-04-27T15:13:09 pfff 2013-04-27T15:13:16 doesnt matter 2013-04-27T15:13:33 and that you are blind if you never see light for 20+ years 2013-04-27T15:13:56 and that you cannot move 2013-04-27T15:13:57 i see the lines, but i dont comprehend anything you say 2013-04-27T15:13:59 sry 2013-04-27T15:14:01 blah blah blah 2013-04-27T15:14:04 blah 2013-04-27T15:14:09 more blah 2013-04-27T15:14:11 ignorant -.- 2013-04-27T15:14:15 bitch 2013-04-27T15:14:19 XD 2013-04-27T15:14:29 * mcstar rolfs 2013-04-27T15:14:31 rofls 2013-04-27T15:14:33 lol, reminds me of that star treck voyager episode 2013-04-27T15:14:40 with a little puppy dog 2013-04-27T15:14:59 and the word bitch 2013-04-27T15:15:02 ooh i really hated voyager and jane wayne 2013-04-27T15:15:18 yeah she was called bitch by a Q 2013-04-27T15:15:18 track 2013-04-27T15:15:23 or trek 2013-04-27T15:15:26 fuck 2013-04-27T15:15:26 and everyone looked at the puppy :D 2013-04-27T15:15:46 a Q or Q? 2013-04-27T15:16:01 was there a different Q in voyager? 2013-04-27T15:16:04 I don't know how it's written. maybe even Q 2013-04-27T15:16:09 i dont recall seeing any of them 2013-04-27T15:16:33 Well there was the male Q who wanted to mate with Voyager's captain Janeway 2013-04-27T15:16:40 o.O 2013-04-27T15:16:42 and then his wife appeared 2013-04-27T15:16:47 in which season? 2013-04-27T15:16:48 which makes two Qs 2013-04-27T15:17:05 I thought you don't like the series? 2013-04-27T15:17:15 i must have seen a couple seasons, like 3-4 at least, and i dont remember that 2013-04-27T15:17:36 mleise: i dont like it, havent liked it back then, but i had to watch it 2013-04-27T15:18:08 mleise: i like the series 2013-04-27T15:18:19 TNG, and even Enterprise is ok 2013-04-27T15:18:24 well, TNG is GREAT 2013-04-27T15:18:46 im not sure im gonna watch deep space nine 2013-04-27T15:18:51 no time 2013-04-27T15:19:25 well anyway I don't know which season that was 2013-04-27T15:19:47 it ended in the battle between the north and south states 2013-04-27T15:19:47 i only remember her hair, and the cook 2013-04-27T15:20:01 and that they reached the delta quandrant 2013-04-27T15:20:05 and they stuck there? 2013-04-27T15:20:19 oh 2013-04-27T15:20:22 and chakotee 2013-04-27T15:20:30 or something, the indian number one 2013-04-27T15:20:31 I think they weren't stuck per say, just with no wormhole back 2013-04-27T15:20:43 so they had to travel for another 70 years or so ^^ 2013-04-27T15:20:51 i mean, the travel would have lasted too long to get back 2013-04-27T15:22:00 i imagine, american indians must be really angry when someone calls them indians 2013-04-27T15:22:20 it's like the number one misnomer in the world 2013-04-27T15:22:44 oh you meant THAT type of indian 2013-04-27T15:22:48 i was puzzled 2013-04-27T15:23:04 in the recent video game Turok they said native american 2013-04-27T15:23:15 i think that's the PC naming today 2013-04-27T15:23:25 *** djr_ has joined #aichallenge 2013-04-27T15:23:28 An attempt to mislead people. Greenland, which is not green, was so named for the purpose of attracting settlers there. 2013-04-27T15:23:39 lol, great story 2013-04-27T15:24:28 When a computer program is electronically transferred from disk to memory, this is referred to as loading the program. "Load" is a holdover term from the mid-20th century, when programs were created on punched cards and then loaded into a hopper for automated processing. 2013-04-27T15:24:37 hm 2013-04-27T15:25:22 Arabic numerals originated in India, though they came to be associated with the Arab world. 2013-04-27T15:25:24 and the width of railway tracks stems from the width of roman chariots 2013-04-27T15:26:14 and numbers looked different at that time, contrary to how they looked so modern in an episode of "Relic Hunter" 2013-04-27T15:26:59 I guess the story behind debugging is commonly known here? ok. 2013-04-27T15:27:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JohnBHarrington.jpg 2013-04-27T15:27:49 thats a native american? wtf 2013-04-27T15:29:15 don't forget that in star trek chakotee was about to see his son for the first time, which was not a love child 2013-04-27T15:29:15 i feel it is very sad that so many indigenous ppl have gone extinct 2013-04-27T15:29:55 mleise: i bet he was sent back in the past and had sex with his mother and so he was born 2013-04-27T15:29:57 his father told him in a dream that when the european conquerors came, the took their women and when they bore their children they were accepted by the tribe 2013-04-27T15:30:32 no she said she stole his sperm, but later it turned out it was a child of her and her ex 2013-04-27T15:31:09 why would the conquerors have sex with the indigenous ppl 2013-04-27T15:31:12 thats so weird 2013-04-27T15:31:22 but what I was trying to say is that a proper member of a native american tribe could well be half european or more 2013-04-27T15:32:20 also, real hard core indigenous americans look really weird 2013-04-27T15:32:48 just look at real photographs, not paintings 2013-04-27T15:33:15 actually even europeans from past centuries look weird to me 2013-04-27T15:33:46 physically? 2013-04-27T15:33:52 thats what i meant 2013-04-27T15:34:10 yes, physically and their expressions 2013-04-27T15:34:43 anyway I think many of the people who came into contact with natives back then were soldiers 2013-04-27T15:35:23 and when you look at WW2, Vietnam, ... it's all the same. they are far from home and take what they can get. 2013-04-27T15:35:43 not all of them, but quite a few. 2013-04-27T15:37:11 i know what i would have done... 2013-04-27T15:37:28 you would have asked kindly 2013-04-27T15:39:24 I think it requires that you look down on that nation, ethnic group or women in general. 2013-04-27T15:41:31 And even then, there is empathy. E.g. "I don't want to be abused, so I don't abuse either." 2013-04-27T15:42:02 But for a soldier it might me "The war is abusing me already" 2013-04-27T15:42:04 i find it repelling 2013-04-27T15:42:43 it is not like the soldier could not have done the necessary stuff themselves 2013-04-27T15:42:55 they wanted to abuse and use those women 2013-04-27T15:43:41 american settlers considered native americans animals for a long time as far as i know 2013-04-27T15:44:13 humans consider animals animals 2013-04-27T15:44:30 but there are more and more evidence that animals are smarter than we thought 2013-04-27T15:46:10 good change of topic 2013-04-27T15:46:28 :) 2013-04-27T15:47:14 When you see two populations of the same species use different tools and tactics, you know it's culture. 2013-04-27T15:49:06 from different bird songs, to manufacturing tools 2013-04-27T15:50:54 Oh well... and they learn from us: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ginz/5330519250/ 2013-04-27T15:53:39 heh 2013-04-27T15:53:43 stupid monkey 2013-04-27T15:53:51 thinks he's a human 2013-04-27T15:54:29 fuck, i cant save it 2013-04-27T15:55:32 http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=cultural-copying-and-learning-observed-in-monkey-and-whale-species 2013-04-27T15:56:00 that's a nice article with a video of a newcomer ape eating only from the pot that the others eat from 2013-04-27T15:56:08 looks like peer pressure to me ^^ 2013-04-27T15:57:53 the only difference between us and them is that they dont talk in a sophisticated way enough 2013-04-27T15:57:57 Anyway from the comments it looks like culture in animal species was discovered in the 60s already 2013-04-27T15:58:31 Yeah I wonder what some animals would do if they could talk about those pesky humans 2013-04-27T15:59:38 well there was one gorilla(?) that was taught to communicate by using a panel with symbols 2013-04-27T16:00:02 scientists could ask it what it would do if it rained 2013-04-27T16:00:26 it got a bad IQ for clikcing the dense tree instead of the umbrella :D 2013-04-27T16:02:51 lol 2013-04-27T16:03:00 see, thats the problem 2013-04-27T16:03:17 we measure intelligence by asking would they or would they not do what we would do in a situation 2013-04-27T16:03:23 but that is clearly wrong 2013-04-27T16:03:42 (not it is clear, it wasnt back then, when they did stupid cognitive tests with animals) 2013-04-27T16:03:44 now* 2013-04-27T16:04:31 also, dogs are stupid 2013-04-27T16:04:48 and i'd really love to suffocate them all with my bare hands 2013-04-27T16:04:53 after i punched them in the nose 2013-04-27T16:05:14 lastly, id throw them high in the air, and watch them fall on concrete 2013-04-27T16:06:02 though, i could settle with doing the same with their owners 2013-04-27T16:06:42 the back story is that i cant sleep cause they are barking, and i wake up to their barkings too 2013-04-27T16:06:57 with medical grade noise supressors in my ears 2013-04-27T16:07:30 "A dog, after all, may understand that bringing his leash to his owner is a sign that he wants to go out, but nobody sees that as evidence of language use." 2013-04-27T16:07:46 stupid dog 2013-04-27T16:07:58 just bite the human 2013-04-27T16:08:01 Well, it sheds a new light on tests with apes. 2013-04-27T16:08:16 that way they'd put them to eternal sleep 2013-04-27T16:08:22 good bye doggie 2013-04-27T16:08:30 If apes use symbols but don't grasp syntax... are they any smarter in terms of communicating than this dog? 2013-04-27T16:08:49