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2013-05-04T07:12:22  <antimatroid> sigh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAyDi1aa40E check that
2013-05-04T07:13:01  <sigh> antimatroid: haha, yeah... I saw that earlier today
2013-05-04T07:13:14  <antimatroid> pretty sweet
2013-05-04T07:14:27  <sigh> yeah, it is... quite well known already, but his demonstration is particularly nice
2013-05-04T07:14:38  <antimatroid> i've not done any physics :P
2013-05-04T07:15:50  <sigh> ah, most of physics can be recast as minimising some objective function
2013-05-04T07:16:12  <sigh> whether it is energy in hamiltonian mechanics or the path action in lagrangian mechanics
2013-05-04T07:17:36  <sigh> if you haven't looked at Lagrangian mechanics, I'd encourage you to... it's pretty cool and a nice demonstration of calculus of variations
2013-05-04T07:18:25  <sigh> and makes some deep and non-obvious connections such as the fact that conservation of energy is a result of the time symmetry of the laws of physics
2013-05-04T07:18:55  <sigh> in fact every continuous symmetry has a corresponding conservation law
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2013-05-04T07:49:36  <antimatroid> sigh: i'm in the purple shirt :P
2013-05-04T07:49:50  <antimatroid> from about 0:50
2013-05-04T07:50:58  <sigh> where?
2013-05-04T07:53:05  <antimatroid> http://vimeo.com/65448816
2013-05-04T07:53:06  <antimatroid> woops :P
2013-05-04T07:54:33  <sigh> haha, cool :)
2013-05-04T07:54:55  <sigh> i was trying to find you in the math video for a bit :P
2013-05-04T07:55:24  <antimatroid> lol :P
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2013-05-04T09:27:40  <mcstar> sigh: extremisation, not minimization
2013-05-04T09:27:56  <mcstar> also the action is the same in lagrangian and hamiltonian mechanics
2013-05-04T09:27:58  <sigh> mcstar: right, sorry
2013-05-04T09:28:10  <mcstar> you just have different coordinates
2013-05-04T09:28:17  <mcstar> so hamiltonian mechanics does not minimize energy
2013-05-04T09:28:23  <mcstar> most of the time energy is constant
2013-05-04T09:28:32  <sigh> mcstar, is it? been a while since I've looked at it
2013-05-04T09:28:38  <mcstar> but that does not tell you the path the particle will take
2013-05-04T09:29:18  <mcstar> and energy is only conserved in closed systems, but then infionitesimal time translation symmjtry does lead to energy conservation
2013-05-04T09:29:29  <mcstar> sry my typos
2013-05-04T09:30:43  <mcstar> anyway, variational principles are nice
2013-05-04T09:31:06  <sigh> hmm.. I'll need to look at hamiltonian mechanics again sometime
2013-05-04T09:31:06  <mcstar> since in a sense they are the opposite of local differential equations
2013-05-04T09:31:20  <sigh> yeah
2013-05-04T09:31:31  <mcstar> but then, when you actually want to solve a variational problem, you end up with a differential equation :)
2013-05-04T09:34:15  <mcstar> sigh: also, the theory of variations, at least the introductory kind that they teach physicists is not very rigorous, you are required to believe
2013-05-04T09:35:07  <sigh> mcstar: yeah I can believe that... mathematicians are always complaining about the lack of mathematical rigor in physics
2013-05-04T09:35:26  <mcstar> kind of like the theory of green functions, or feynman path integrals
2013-05-04T09:36:48  <mcstar> or generalized functions
2013-05-04T09:37:09  <mcstar> g2g now
2013-05-04T10:10:38  <mcstar> oh, i only noticed now that amstan did change the topic
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2013-05-04T10:20:50  <mcstar> i have thought of the double diagonal
2013-05-04T10:21:10  <mcstar> but idk so far what can be shorter than that
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2013-05-04T10:24:10  <mcstar> maybe an H with curved sides
2013-05-04T10:24:59  <mcstar> or something like 2 parabolas touching
2013-05-04T10:28:36  <mcstar> let me integrate the curve length
2013-05-04T10:30:42  <mcstar> 2.95
2013-05-04T10:30:59  <mcstar> thats more than the crossing diagonals
2013-05-04T10:31:47  <mcstar> i guess the exponent needs to be a variable
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2013-05-04T10:38:23  <mcstar> ~2.43
2013-05-04T10:38:33  <mcstar> the exponent is 1/e
2013-05-04T10:41:30  <mcstar> well, it doesnt really matter, e is alright too, since that only rotates the problem
2013-05-04T10:46:49  <mcstar> well, it is still moew
2013-05-04T10:46:51  <mcstar> more
2013-05-04T10:47:10  <mcstar> but that is clear if i graph the curves
2013-05-04T10:47:16  <mcstar> idk what could be shorter
2013-05-04T10:49:29  <mcstar> back to H
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2013-05-04T10:57:24  <mcstar> if i identify each edge of the square with the opposite one, the distance between its vertices becomes 0
2013-05-04T10:57:43  <mcstar> antimatroid: is that the solution?
2013-05-04T10:57:47  <mcstar> XD
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2013-05-04T11:55:00  <mcstar> i cant come up with a shorter path
2013-05-04T11:57:11  <mcstar> i would hate to find out that the solution is simple
2013-05-04T11:57:32  <mcstar> but it must be simple...
2013-05-04T12:03:32  <mcstar> mleise: have you watched the video?
2013-05-04T12:07:56  <mcstar> well, i even drew a swastika, it didnt help
2013-05-04T12:09:11  <mleise> the video about the development of aircraft? no.
2013-05-04T12:09:29  <mcstar> aircraft?
2013-05-04T12:09:40  <mcstar> antimatroid linked a mathy video
2013-05-04T12:09:44  <mleise> which video?
2013-05-04T12:09:52  <mcstar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAyDi1aa40E
2013-05-04T12:10:01  <mcstar> but dont watch the solution
2013-05-04T12:10:06  <mcstar> try to figure it out
2013-05-04T12:12:50  <mleise> "and I'm gonna dip _this_ in this bowl of soapy water"
2013-05-04T12:13:01  <mcstar> nooooo
2013-05-04T12:13:10  <mcstar> mleise: dont tell my anything
2013-05-04T12:13:17  <mcstar> me
2013-05-04T12:13:41  <mleise> oh you didn't watch the solution?
2013-05-04T12:13:44  <mcstar> no
2013-05-04T12:16:27  <mcstar> mleise: also i suspected that the solution will have to do with soap films
2013-05-04T12:16:48  <mcstar> since sigh mentioned physics when antimatroid linked him the video
2013-05-04T12:16:55  <mleise> "if i take this local minimal solution and blow on it, i now get our minimum solution"
2013-05-04T12:17:08  <mleise> awesome
2013-05-04T12:17:14  <mcstar> ill watch the rest of the video
2013-05-04T12:17:45  <mleise> i mean, this shit looks like living soap films that rearrange themselves
2013-05-04T12:19:28  <mcstar> wtf
2013-05-04T12:19:34  <mcstar> this cant be right
2013-05-04T12:19:38  <mcstar> i ruled out the H
2013-05-04T12:19:48  <mcstar> or the H with triangle sides
2013-05-04T12:19:56  <mcstar> it stilll looks like an H
2013-05-04T12:20:31  <mleise> >-< ?
2013-05-04T12:20:35  <mcstar> yeah
2013-05-04T12:20:44  <mleise> that was the correct solution, mcstar
2013-05-04T12:20:44  <mcstar> i wonder where did i go wrong
2013-05-04T12:20:51  <mcstar> but i ruled it out
2013-05-04T12:20:55  <mleise> how?
2013-05-04T12:21:07  <mleise> I mean why were you sure there is a better solution?
2013-05-04T12:21:21  <mcstar> i theorized that its length would be between 3 and 2*sqrt(2)
2013-05-04T12:22:51  <mleise> 3 is the U shape, so that's correct
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2013-05-04T12:23:34  <mcstar> oh shit
2013-05-04T12:23:36  <mleise> and 2*√2 is the X
2013-05-04T12:23:44  <mleise> so you need to get lower
2013-05-04T12:24:15  <mleise> looks a bit like a voronoi diagram
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2013-05-04T12:24:58  <mcstar> the problem is, that i postulated, that the length is a linear function of the 'x' where x is the height of the triangle BC? or AD?
2013-05-04T12:25:30  <mcstar> where ? is one of the unnamed points in the video
2013-05-04T12:26:09  <mleise> oh ok, but you should have noticed that the X shape is 2*√2 and thus a known upper bound
2013-05-04T12:26:19  <mleise> ;)
2013-05-04T12:27:03  <mleise> then again I didn't even understand that the roads may contain crossings
2013-05-04T12:27:27  <mcstar> x=1/2/sqrt(3)
2013-05-04T12:27:33  <mleise> or that they may not be only straight lines, but any shape
2013-05-04T12:27:56  <mcstar> mleise: i know the X shape is 2sqrt2
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2013-05-04T12:28:10  <mcstar> that was my lower bound, 3 is the upper
2013-05-04T12:28:23  <mcstar> no linear function of this 'x' can have lower values than that
2013-05-04T12:28:33  <mcstar> but L is not a linear function of x
2013-05-04T12:28:55  <mleise> but since x isn't the correct solution, why did you set 2√2 as a lower bound?
2013-05-04T12:29:21  <mleise> logically it should be your upper bound, no?
2013-05-04T12:29:29  <mcstar> look, if x=0, L=3, if x=1/2, L=2sqrt2
2013-05-04T12:29:53  <mcstar> so, if L(x)=a + b * x, then it cant be lower in x \in [0,1/2]
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2013-05-04T12:30:20  <mleise> uhm... I've got to vacuum clean my room
2013-05-04T12:30:31  <mcstar> ok
2013-05-04T12:30:53  <mcstar> in the meantime ill feel stupid
2013-05-04T12:31:19  <mleise> thanks for doing that for me
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2013-05-04T12:31:52  <mcstar> mleise: im not kidding, this was a big mistake on my part
2013-05-04T12:32:01  <thestinger> mcstar: \o
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2013-05-04T12:32:10  <mcstar> wth was that ^
2013-05-04T12:32:48  <mcstar> oh, it was the virus i installed on thestinger's computer, if he hails me, it crashed his machine
2013-05-04T12:32:54  <mcstar> i just totally forgot about it
2013-05-04T12:33:07  <mcstar> d->s
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2013-05-04T12:33:59  <mcstar> thestinger: hi
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2013-05-04T12:38:19  <mcstar> thestinger: what happened?
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2013-05-04T12:40:29  <amstan> thestinger: you should check your pacman signature settings: "[12:24] <mcstar> oh, it was the virus i installed on thestinger's computer, if he hails me, it crashed his machine"
2013-05-04T12:41:04  <mcstar> o.O
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2013-05-04T12:41:30  <mcstar> amstan: you know i was kidding, right?
2013-05-04T12:41:34  <amstan> mcstar: he's a tu, he can't afford to have that problem man
2013-05-04T12:41:44  <amstan> mcstar: you don't want the entire arch userbase to suffer do you?
2013-05-04T12:41:52  <mcstar> also, by that logic you are affected too
2013-05-04T12:41:59  <amstan> mcstar: yes
2013-05-04T12:42:10  <amstan> mcstar: o/
2013-05-04T12:42:14  <amstan> seems i'm not affected yet
2013-05-04T12:42:16  <amstan> lol
2013-05-04T12:42:18  <mcstar> mcstar: \o
2013-05-04T12:42:24  <mcstar> amstan: wrong arm
2013-05-04T12:42:27  <amstan> ah
2013-05-04T12:42:29  <amstan> mcstar: \o
2013-05-04T12:42:34  <mcstar> nothing...
2013-05-04T12:42:40  <mcstar> i have to improve that virus
2013-05-04T12:42:42  <amstan> still nope
2013-05-04T12:46:38  <mcstar> mleise: what worse is, that for any value of x between 0 and 1/2 it gives a lower solution
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2013-05-04T12:48:51  <mcstar> thestinger1: is everything alright?
2013-05-04T12:49:08  <thestinger1> my internet sucks ;p
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2013-05-04T12:49:54  <mcstar> that reminds me to check my torrents
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2013-05-04T12:53:15  <mcstar> antimatroid: you are a crazy bastard
2013-05-04T12:54:55  <mcstar> the other kids too
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2013-05-04T13:04:38  <mcstar> first time ever im watching doctor who
2013-05-04T13:04:50  <amstan> mcstar: the new episode?
2013-05-04T13:05:27  <mcstar> no it isnt new
2013-05-04T13:05:30  <mcstar> 2005
2013-05-04T13:05:34  <amstan> mcstar: which one?
2013-05-04T13:05:43  <mcstar> the new series
2013-05-04T13:05:49  <mcstar> first eipsode
2013-05-04T13:05:53  <amstan> ah, rose
2013-05-04T13:06:00  <mcstar> yes
2013-05-04T13:06:09  <mcstar> i didnt expect this
2013-05-04T13:06:17  <mcstar> i dont like it so far
2013-05-04T13:06:30  <amstan> mcstar: if you want to get hooked i suggest blink first
2013-05-04T13:06:51  <amstan> first season is kinda slow
2013-05-04T13:06:56  <mcstar> i used to listen to blink when i was a kid
2013-05-04T13:07:04  <amstan> listen?
2013-05-04T13:07:10  <mcstar> blink 182
2013-05-04T13:07:37  <mcstar> amstan: what blink do you mean?
2013-05-04T13:07:49  <amstan> mcstar: episode from season 3
2013-05-04T13:08:11  <mcstar> amstan: it is not a good idea to throw episode titles at doctor wo newbies
2013-05-04T13:08:12  <mcstar> :)
2013-05-04T13:08:39  <mcstar> amstan: are these episodes unrelated?
2013-05-04T13:09:21  <mcstar> i downloaded a couple episodes of Star Trek DS9
2013-05-04T13:09:26  <amstan> mcstar: blink is fairly easy to get into, no dependency on previous episodes
2013-05-04T13:09:38  <mcstar> cause it was presented quite high on a scifi list
2013-05-04T13:09:44  <Zannick> it's still the only episode i've seen
2013-05-04T13:09:44  <mcstar> but it turned out it is solid crap
2013-05-04T13:10:04  <amstan> mcstar: same thing with ds9, first season kinda sucks
2013-05-04T13:10:37  <mcstar> Zannick: blink or rose?
2013-05-04T13:10:40  <amstan> mcstar: just hang on.. you'll like both
2013-05-04T13:10:45  <Zannick> blink
2013-05-04T13:10:53  <mcstar> amstan: how do you know?? XD
2013-05-04T13:11:10  <amstan> mcstar: because they're both good, don't be dissapointed by the first episodes
2013-05-04T13:12:01  <mcstar> i cant stand ferengis, but DS9 has quark, and i think he is a permanent member of the stuff
2013-05-04T13:12:04  <mcstar> staff
2013-05-04T13:13:05  <mcstar> amstan: the commander has a very unusual voice+articulation/character
2013-05-04T13:13:16  <mcstar> i cant recall his name
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2013-05-04T13:13:43  <amstan> mcstar: sisko
2013-05-04T13:13:51  <mcstar> that was the only good thing so far
2013-05-04T13:13:55  <mcstar> yeh, Ben Cisco
2013-05-04T13:14:00  <amstan> lol
2013-05-04T13:14:03  <mcstar> :)
2013-05-04T13:14:19  <amstan> mcstar: have you watched any star trek before?
2013-05-04T13:14:26  <amstan> mcstar: what about babylon 5?
2013-05-04T13:14:33  <mcstar> yeah, im a big TNG fan
2013-05-04T13:14:42  <mcstar> seen babylong 5 twice too
2013-05-04T13:14:46  <mcstar> babylong
2013-05-04T13:14:48  <mcstar> babylon
2013-05-04T13:14:52  <amstan> you'll be fine..
2013-05-04T13:16:45  <mcstar> i was happy to see transporter chief obrien
2013-05-04T13:17:00  <mcstar> oh, and i dont like bejorans
2013-05-04T13:17:11  <mcstar> i have to look up the spelling
2013-05-04T13:17:45  <mcstar> bajoran
2013-05-04T13:18:10  <mcstar> amstan: i didnt like Voyager either
2013-05-04T13:18:15  <mcstar> but i liked Enterprise
2013-05-04T13:18:40  <mcstar> scott bakula cant act, but he is so handsome i have to forgive him
2013-05-04T13:19:45  <mcstar> i hope DS9 will have that hot borg chick
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2013-05-04T13:20:38  <mcstar> oh, and the shape shifter is a joke
2013-05-04T13:20:44  <mcstar> i hate shape shifters
2013-05-04T13:23:22  <mcstar> hm, that girl i was talking about is from Voyager
2013-05-04T13:23:40  <mcstar> seven of nine
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2013-05-04T13:24:18  <mcstar> i think she wasnt part of the cast from the beginning
2013-05-04T13:24:34  <mcstar> otherwise i cant explain why i dont recall her from Voyager
2013-05-04T13:26:03  <mcstar> she first appeared at the end of season 3
2013-05-04T13:27:00  <mcstar> amstan: i also watched farscape, dont know if you did too, but that show is hilarious, and ofc my #1 is still and always will be SG1
2013-05-04T13:28:11  <amstan> mcstar: if you like sg1 you must know how slow season 1 was
2013-05-04T13:28:21  <mcstar> slow?
2013-05-04T13:28:25  <mcstar> i didnt notice
2013-05-04T13:28:30  <amstan> mcstar: ds9 doesn't have seven of nine, it has dax though
2013-05-04T13:28:35  <amstan> oh.. and leeta
2013-05-04T13:28:38  <mcstar> every time i watch it i never notice
2013-05-04T13:28:47  <mcstar> dax is ok
2013-05-04T13:29:00  <mcstar> but i cant put the image of that old men out of my head
2013-05-04T13:29:04  <mcstar> man
2013-05-04T13:29:11  <mcstar> you know, the previous host of the trill
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2013-05-04T13:29:15  <amstan> yes
2013-05-04T13:29:21  <amstan> that's fine..
2013-05-04T13:29:31  <mcstar> i very much miss an android
2013-05-04T13:29:48  <mcstar> data really carried TNG on his shoulders
2013-05-04T13:29:58  <mcstar> and picard too
2013-05-04T13:33:27  <Zannick> data carried picard on his shoulders, too?
2013-05-04T13:33:52  <mcstar> yes, season 4 episode 12
2013-05-04T13:34:01  <Zannick> heh
2013-05-04T13:34:07  <mcstar> j/k
2013-05-04T13:35:01  <mcstar> now i have to check what is in s4e12
2013-05-04T13:36:02  <thestinger> I used to watch star trek with my dad, but I absolutely hate it now ;p
2013-05-04T13:37:04  <mcstar> dont worry it hates you back
2013-05-04T13:37:07  <thestinger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHahHpbBQ6c sums up TNG completely
2013-05-04T13:37:18  <mcstar> i dont even want to watch it
2013-05-04T13:37:37  <mcstar> if it says bad things about TNG i would be angry with yout
2013-05-04T13:37:56  <amstan> thestinger: lol
2013-05-04T13:38:14  <mcstar> amstan: another thing that is wrong with DS9 is that it has a horrible intro
2013-05-04T13:38:23  <amstan> mcstar: that song is awesome
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2013-05-04T13:39:07  <mcstar> amstan: there is no monologue in it
2013-05-04T13:39:17  <amstan> mcstar: voyager doesn't have one either
2013-05-04T13:39:33  <mcstar> ok, but i dont like voyager
2013-05-04T13:39:59  <mcstar> amstan: is that video linked by thestinger worth watching?
2013-05-04T13:40:25  <thestinger1> yes
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2013-05-04T13:40:38  <amstan> mcstar: it's part of the episode where wesley has a crush on that girl that's actually a monster alien
2013-05-04T13:40:38  <mcstar> im seeking an independent oppinion
2013-05-04T13:40:50  <mcstar> ah that one is great
2013-05-04T13:41:01  <amstan> if you say so.... that alien looks so fake, lol
2013-05-04T13:41:16  <mcstar> the episode is great, one of wesley's best
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2013-05-04T13:42:08  <thestinger1> mcstar: wesley's best? so, absolutely terrible ;p
2013-05-04T13:42:20  <thestinger1> amstan: all the stuff in season 1/2 looks so fake
2013-05-04T13:42:35  <amstan> thestinger1: that's because riker doesn't have a beard man..
2013-05-04T13:42:37  <mcstar> i was afraid that this would happen
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2013-05-04T13:42:49  <amstan> mcstar: oh.. same with ds9, it gets better when sisko gets a beard
2013-05-04T13:42:49  <mcstar> thestinger1: i want to cease diplomatic relations with you
2013-05-04T13:43:34  <mcstar> which season is season 0.5?
2013-05-04T13:43:38  <mcstar> whatever
2013-05-04T13:43:55  <amstan> mcstar: i think he means 1,2
2013-05-04T13:44:00  <mcstar> 1.2?
2013-05-04T13:44:10  <mcstar> lol
2013-05-04T13:44:14  <mcstar> i know what he means
2013-05-04T13:44:23  <mcstar> but i dont like thestinger
2013-05-04T13:44:52  <thestinger> :(
2013-05-04T13:45:05  <amstan> thestinger: so what do you do as a tu?
2013-05-04T13:45:20  <thestinger> put things in boxes
2013-05-04T13:45:27  <amstan> huh?
2013-05-04T13:45:36  <thestinger> packages* ;p
2013-05-04T13:45:45  <thestinger> also waste build server resources for daily builds of rust :)
2013-05-04T13:45:47  <amstan> alright
2013-05-04T13:45:55  <thestinger> http://pkgbuild.com/~thestinger/repo/x86_64/
2013-05-04T13:46:04  <amstan> i was doing that with alarm kernels
2013-05-04T13:46:16  <amstan> well.. bugging other ppl to do it because it takes 6 hours on mine
2013-05-04T13:46:23  <mleise> BSG is the most awesome sci-fi series ever btw ;)
2013-05-04T13:46:45  <mcstar> yeah, the original is awesome
2013-05-04T13:46:46  <amstan> mcstar: yes, and if you want hot girls watch Andromeda
2013-05-04T13:47:08  <mcstar> i was eyeing with andromeda
2013-05-04T13:47:15  <mcstar> i think it has hercules in it
2013-05-04T13:47:17  <mleise> mcstar: nooo not that horrible original
2013-05-04T13:47:19  <amstan> yes
2013-05-04T13:47:36  <mcstar> mleise: have you seen the end of the original one?
2013-05-04T13:47:49  <mcstar> when apollo is stranded on a rock with a cylon?
2013-05-04T13:47:55  <mcstar> great couple of episodes
2013-05-04T13:47:55  <mleise> no i've never seen a whole episode of the original
2013-05-04T13:48:12  <mcstar> the new battlestar is just too cheap for me
2013-05-04T13:48:14  <mleise> i think they make friends there and leave in peace
2013-05-04T13:48:29  <mleise> too cheap? it was way more expensive in production costs
2013-05-04T13:48:31  <mcstar> but yeah, tricia helfer looks hot
2013-05-04T13:48:49  <mleise> lol, they had all kinds of women in there. kind of every type
2013-05-04T13:48:52  <mcstar> mleise: i mean, it a knock off
2013-05-04T13:49:00  <mcstar> the actual episodes might have been expensive
2013-05-04T13:49:10  <mcstar> it is*
2013-05-04T13:49:31  <mleise> oh well, you've been spoiled by the original ^^
2013-05-04T13:49:46  <mleise> also why is everyone like "yeah tricia helfer"
2013-05-04T13:49:59  <mleise> someone even didn't like it because it shows tricia helfer so often
2013-05-04T13:50:09  <mleise> I actually didn't notice that, hey
2013-05-04T13:50:17  <mcstar> you are a girl then
2013-05-04T13:50:20  <mcstar> or not
2013-05-04T13:50:31  <mcstar> might be the case that girls find her hot too
2013-05-04T13:50:35  <mleise> Well I liked Grace Park more I guess
2013-05-04T13:51:04  <mcstar> mleise: BSG had great acting most of the time
2013-05-04T13:51:07  <mcstar> the new one
2013-05-04T13:51:24  <mcstar> but the story all in all was too long and sometimes too made up
2013-05-04T13:51:37  <mcstar> yeah, it beat the original in every way ofc, im not saying it didnt
2013-05-04T13:51:57  <mleise> Yeah, great casting. It almost seems like the actors' backgrounds matche the characters' backgrounds
2013-05-04T13:51:57  <mcstar> but BSG was too much of a space drama
2013-05-04T13:53:01  <thestinger> amstan: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?maintainer=thestinger all these haskell packages I end up maintaining for pandoc >.<
2013-05-04T13:53:05  <mleise> I liked the drama. It made the characters more life like.
2013-05-04T13:53:34  <thestinger> mcstar: so what's star trek? ;p
2013-05-04T13:53:37  <thestinger> it's not scifi
2013-05-04T13:53:41  <mcstar> it is
2013-05-04T13:53:43  <amstan> thestinger: so whenever i want to download youtube-dl from the aur it wants pandoc which installs like 50MB of haskell packages
2013-05-04T13:53:53  <thestinger> mcstar: they wrote the episodes entirely without space/science stuff
2013-05-04T13:53:55  <mleise> There are only a couple sci-fi series that try to be believable.
2013-05-04T13:53:55  <mcstar> 500
2013-05-04T13:53:56  <thestinger> it was added in later
2013-05-04T13:54:19  <mcstar> thestinger: idk about, but that doesnt matter
2013-05-04T13:54:26  <mcstar> about that*
2013-05-04T13:54:28  <thestinger> it's hardly scifi like stargate/bsg/firefly/farscape where that's actually part of the development process
2013-05-04T13:54:31  <mcstar> SG1 had drama too
2013-05-04T13:54:34  <mcstar> all shows have drama
2013-05-04T13:54:35  <thestinger> it's just a crappy sitcom in space
2013-05-04T13:54:42  <mcstar> but BSG pushed that to the extreme
2013-05-04T13:54:58  <thestinger> mcstar: and sg:u ;p
2013-05-04T13:55:04  <mcstar> yeah
2013-05-04T13:55:05  <mleise> agreed on the story though. especially on second see through some bits look cheesy. i blame some of the story authors. :D
2013-05-04T13:55:16  <amstan> pls don't remind me of sgu :(
2013-05-04T13:55:19  <thestinger> sg:u would have been so much better without the teeenagers
2013-05-04T13:55:19  <mleise> there have probably been a dozen
2013-05-04T13:55:56  <mcstar> i am still not sure where sgu failed
2013-05-04T13:56:00  <mleise> lol teeny drama is the worst
2013-05-04T13:56:09  <thestinger> mcstar: chloe
2013-05-04T13:56:13  <mcstar> no
2013-05-04T13:56:17  <thestinger> yeah.
2013-05-04T13:56:24  <thestinger> and also stereotypical fat nerdy kid
2013-05-04T13:56:26  <mcstar> what are yo saying?
2013-05-04T13:56:33  <mcstar> the show sucked because of 1 character?
2013-05-04T13:56:36  <thestinger> mcstar: they were annoying as hell and it made it painful to watch
2013-05-04T13:56:38  <mcstar> david blue
2013-05-04T13:56:48  <mcstar> robert carlyle was great
2013-05-04T13:56:50  <thestinger> yes
2013-05-04T13:56:50  <mcstar> GREAT
2013-05-04T13:56:54  <thestinger> I agree
2013-05-04T13:57:03  <amstan> i hated that pr person
2013-05-04T13:57:05  <thestinger> he should have had all the screen time
2013-05-04T13:57:10  <thestinger> amstan: yeah, she was annoying as hell too
2013-05-04T13:57:11  <amstan> the civilian
2013-05-04T13:57:19  <mcstar> thestinger: that wouldnt have made a good show either
2013-05-04T13:57:19  <amstan> i don't remember her name
2013-05-04T13:57:21  <thestinger> and the military commander guy was annoying too
2013-05-04T13:57:25  <amstan> also.. why the hell did they kill gin?
2013-05-04T13:57:29  <mcstar> Young
2013-05-04T13:57:35  <mcstar> Colonel
2013-05-04T13:57:36  <thestinger> yeah, young was annoying
2013-05-04T13:57:44  <mcstar> what about Matt?
2013-05-04T13:57:52  <mcstar> girlfriend of Chloe
2013-05-04T13:57:53  <thestinger> annoying because of chloe
2013-05-04T13:58:01  <mcstar> (not typo)
2013-05-04T13:58:03  <mleise> man I cried so often watching BSG :'(
2013-05-04T13:58:28  <thestinger> mcstar: anyway needed a lot more nicolas rush, and a lot less desperate housewives
2013-05-04T13:58:42  <mleise> all those suicides, the president's cancer, the executions *sigh*
2013-05-04T13:58:53  <thestinger> they tried to pander to a new audience they wanted
2013-05-04T13:58:54  <thestinger> and failed
2013-05-04T13:59:23  <thestinger> they succeeding in *not* appealing to a mainstream audience and also alienating the old fanbase
2013-05-04T13:59:28  <mcstar> i think the kino's failed
2013-05-04T13:59:36  <mcstar> they over used them
2013-05-04T13:59:48  <mcstar> there was that story with the time loop
2013-05-04T13:59:54  <mcstar> that was good imo
2013-05-04T14:00:07  <mcstar> but the kid used the kinos to much
2013-05-04T14:00:11  <mcstar> what was his name?
2013-05-04T14:00:31  <mcstar> i only know the actor's name
2013-05-04T14:00:33  <thestinger> eli
2013-05-04T14:00:36  <mcstar> that one
2013-05-04T14:00:40  <mcstar> eli stone
2013-05-04T14:00:42  <mcstar> :)
2013-05-04T14:01:05  <thestinger> tbh I pretty much hated all of them that weren't rush....
2013-05-04T14:01:13  <mcstar> i didnt hate them
2013-05-04T14:01:15  <thestinger> they were all incredibly whiny, annoying characters
2013-05-04T14:01:26  <mcstar> but the show needed more character thats true
2013-05-04T14:01:42  <mcstar> there was the other colonel, who was pretty good
2013-05-04T14:02:02  <mcstar> whatshisname
2013-05-04T14:02:03  <mleise> they need a family, that's the receipe for a good show
2013-05-04T14:02:10  <amstan> mleise: telford?
2013-05-04T14:02:17  <mleise> whut?
2013-05-04T14:02:17  <mcstar> himn
2013-05-04T14:02:25  <mcstar> col telford, he was good
2013-05-04T14:02:28  <mcstar> better than young
2013-05-04T14:02:47  <amstan> family you say? you don't want to get terra nova though
2013-05-04T14:02:56  <mleise> terra nova the game?
2013-05-04T14:03:04  <amstan> the 1-season show
2013-05-04T14:03:04  <thestinger> mcstar: they succeeded at making them seem like a bunch of unprepared, annoying people who didn't want to be there ;p
2013-05-04T14:03:24  <mcstar> thestinger: that is essentially true
2013-05-04T14:03:46  <thestinger> I don't think I liked the premise at all
2013-05-04T14:04:00  <thestinger> for a long-running series? maybe, if the characters developed a lot
2013-05-04T14:04:09  <mleise> well, characters that you can map to a father and a mother
2013-05-04T14:04:16  <amstan> it was getting good near the end
2013-05-04T14:04:16  <thestinger> it ended up being too cliche, even if it was believable
2013-05-04T14:04:25  <mcstar> thestinger: well, i think they should have more freedom in stopping by planets
2013-05-04T14:04:27  <amstan> i really liked them going back in time and starting a civilization
2013-05-04T14:04:28  <thestinger> amstan: yeah near the end it felt more like stargate
2013-05-04T14:04:36  <thestinger> and then bam cancelled
2013-05-04T14:04:39  <mcstar> they should have found a way earlier to stop the jumps
2013-05-04T14:04:41  <thestinger> just as I went from hating it to enjoying it ;p
2013-05-04T14:05:05  <mcstar> the end was ok
2013-05-04T14:05:14  <mcstar> the writers managed to pull off a good ending
2013-05-04T14:05:24  <mleise> I tell you what I liked most about BSG: They didn't give you a happy ending and pre-made morale every time.
2013-05-04T14:05:28  <mcstar> time travel is always a good solution in stargate
2013-05-04T14:05:46  <mcstar> mleise: are you still talking about BSG?
2013-05-04T14:06:11  <mleise> Well, I find other shows lacking in some parts
2013-05-04T14:06:33  <mcstar> babylon 5 was another show big on diplomacy
2013-05-04T14:06:38  <mcstar> also, not the same way as BSG
2013-05-04T14:06:40  <thestinger> mcstar: if they wanted to do an interesting take on stargate they wouldn't have yet another one with the US/canadian army
2013-05-04T14:06:51  <mleise> yeah babylon 5 was good, too
2013-05-04T14:07:07  <mcstar> thestinger: what are you saying?
2013-05-04T14:07:21  <mcstar> what army then? iraqi?
2013-05-04T14:07:30  <mleise> Stargate was kind of slapstick, it didn't pretend to be serious like Star Trek :D
2013-05-04T14:07:30  <thestinger> mcstar: that if they wanted to keep the series going they should do it from another perspective, since that's obviously what they want
2013-05-04T14:07:32  <thestinger> mcstar: no
2013-05-04T14:07:46  <mcstar> military presence is a must have
2013-05-04T14:07:52  <thestinger> mcstar: ofc
2013-05-04T14:08:14  <thestinger> SG:A and SG:U were based on the premise of not being in close contact with earth...
2013-05-04T14:08:20  <thestinger> but they end up wearing away at that
2013-05-04T14:08:22  <mcstar> mleise: SG1 was meant to be contemporarily serious with a lot of humor
2013-05-04T14:08:47  <mcstar> thestinger: did the stones bother you?
2013-05-04T14:08:52  <amstan> mcstar: related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R1ALMgIFWM&feature=share
2013-05-04T14:09:12  <mcstar> (i would have bothered me, but they were used quite good in the end of SG1 when they met the ori)
2013-05-04T14:09:19  <mcstar> it*
2013-05-04T14:09:28  <thestinger> mcstar: I would rather they rip off firefly than redo SG:A with more drama
2013-05-04T14:09:32  <mleise> lol
2013-05-04T14:09:35  <thestinger> they *already did* the "separated from earth" thing
2013-05-04T14:09:51  <amstan> thestinger: yes, but SGA expedition was prepared for that
2013-05-04T14:10:00  <thestinger> amstan: not prepared for what they found
2013-05-04T14:10:29  <thestinger> and ofc SG:A killed itself by ending up in close contact with earth, ending the reason for the series to exist
2013-05-04T14:10:42  <mcstar> SGA didnt kill itself
2013-05-04T14:10:42  <mleise> I loved that "Surrender or die!" - "What?" scene back then
2013-05-04T14:10:46  <mcstar> the writers killed it
2013-05-04T14:10:54  <thestinger> mcstar: yeah, because they wrote themselves into a whole
2013-05-04T14:10:56  <mcstar> the thing with the replicators got out of hand
2013-05-04T14:11:10  <mcstar> still, rodney was great
2013-05-04T14:11:15  <thestinger> yes
2013-05-04T14:11:20  <mcstar> the doc also, but should have stayed dead
2013-05-04T14:11:23  <thestinger> the other characters were okay too
2013-05-04T14:11:36  <mcstar> elizabeth sucked from day 1
2013-05-04T14:11:40  <thestinger> at least they didn't make me want to strangle them like SG:U
2013-05-04T14:11:51  <mleise> yeah what is that with characters dying and returning in so many shows?
2013-05-04T14:11:53  <mcstar> i really liked cavanagh
2013-05-04T14:12:04  <mleise> that ruins the whole drama
2013-05-04T14:12:10  <mcstar> the pony tailed scientist
2013-05-04T14:12:33  <mcstar> ronon was a joke mostly
2013-05-04T14:12:49  <mcstar> tayle was hot but...hot
2013-05-04T14:13:03  <mcstar> teyla
2013-05-04T14:13:09  <mleise> ronon? ronan?
2013-05-04T14:13:12  <thestinger> mcstar: anyway the series needs a perspective that's morally ambiguous
2013-05-04T14:13:18  <thestinger> mcstar: it's too good vs evil
2013-05-04T14:13:44  <thestinger> but because they portray the US army in a positive light, they're allowed to use facilities, expertise, etc.
2013-05-04T14:13:47  <thestinger> that's how it works
2013-05-04T14:13:49  <thestinger> ;\
2013-05-04T14:13:59  <thestinger> they are pretty tied to the whole us/canadian army thing
2013-05-04T14:14:07  <thestinger> they can't just write something up with another faction
2013-05-04T14:14:07  <mcstar> it was greyer than that
2013-05-04T14:14:12  <thestinger> it was hardly grey
2013-05-04T14:14:34  <mcstar> remember the part when sg1 encounters the human form replicators?
2013-05-04T14:14:45  <thestinger> that was just a terrible plot
2013-05-04T14:14:59  <mcstar> it was good
2013-05-04T14:15:19  <mcstar> anyway, in SGA there are more dilemmas between them and the replicators
2013-05-04T14:15:22  <amstan> mcstar: you doing the stargate reddit rewatch?
2013-05-04T14:15:49  <mcstar> even if those replicators arent related to the previou7s ones
2013-05-04T14:15:55  <mcstar> amstan: i dont reddit at all
2013-05-04T14:16:07  <thestinger> I don't want to rewatch it :P
2013-05-04T14:16:18  <thestinger> I know it won't be as good as I originally thought it was
2013-05-04T14:16:28  <mcstar> it gets better
2013-05-04T14:16:31  <amstan> yeah, it does
2013-05-04T14:16:37  <mcstar> you can skip the bad episodes
2013-05-04T14:16:48  <mcstar> (i dont skip SG1 episodes)
2013-05-04T14:16:49  <amstan> thestinger: window of opportunity!
2013-05-04T14:16:54  <mcstar> ah that one is great
2013-05-04T14:16:57  <mcstar> maaan
2013-05-04T14:17:07  <mcstar> when teal finally pushed the door back at the yound private
2013-05-04T14:17:11  <mcstar> teal'c
2013-05-04T14:17:34  <mcstar> oneill kisses carter...
2013-05-04T14:17:48  <amstan> "in the middle of my backswing?!?!?!"
2013-05-04T14:17:56  <mcstar> and the scene with oneill golfing
2013-05-04T14:18:04  <mcstar> hammd asks wtf are you doing:
2013-05-04T14:18:07  <mcstar> oneill:
2013-05-04T14:18:10  <mleise> i preferred the fishing scene ^^
2013-05-04T14:18:13  <mcstar> in the middle of my backswing???
2013-05-04T14:18:27  <mcstar> amstan: oh
2013-05-04T14:18:38  <mcstar> i came to that independently\
2013-05-04T14:19:12  <mcstar> one of my favorites is 'a matter of time'
2013-05-04T14:19:16  <mcstar> watched it countless
2013-05-04T14:19:21  <mcstar> times
2013-05-04T14:19:46  <mcstar> another fav is the fifth race
2013-05-04T14:19:57  <mcstar> that one is so great
2013-05-04T14:20:16  <mcstar> 'bend you cozars teal'c'
2013-05-04T14:20:27  <mleise> Hey, who knows Space Patrol Orion ?
2013-05-04T14:21:04  <mcstar> im trying to remember the text that oneill could finally read
2013-05-04T14:21:11  <mcstar> the one that daniel was trying to translate
2013-05-04T14:21:54  <mcstar> we are the ancients the roadbuilders
2013-05-04T14:21:56  <mcstar> or similar
2013-05-04T14:22:10  <mcstar> ani anquitas
2013-05-04T14:22:17  <mleise> mcstar: why do I get no updates on the feed from your blog?
2013-05-04T14:22:33  <mcstar> mleise: github moved to .io
2013-05-04T14:22:44  <mcstar> now the page is liquid-phynix.github.io
2013-05-04T14:22:48  <mleise> so you actually blogged stuff?
2013-05-04T14:22:51  <mcstar> also, i never wrote another post
2013-05-04T14:22:57  <mleise> lol
2013-05-04T14:23:00  <mcstar> mleise: there is one post
2013-05-04T14:23:15  <mleise> you could write endlessly about the matrix and sci-fi shows
2013-05-04T14:23:18  <mcstar> i tried to boycott al zimmermann's contest with it
2013-05-04T14:23:25  <mcstar> but google never ranked my page high enough
2013-05-04T14:24:47  <mleise> have you ever thought about joining #stargate?
2013-05-04T14:25:02  <mcstar> mleise: unfortunately no one can be told what a show is, you have to see it for yourself
2013-05-04T14:25:20  <mcstar> mleise: remember, all im offering is the truth, nothing more
2013-05-04T14:25:39  <mcstar> mleise: nope
2013-05-04T14:25:51  <mcstar> i dont want to be among scifi retards
2013-05-04T14:25:56  <mcstar> present company excluded ofc
2013-05-04T14:26:24  <mleise> yeah, don't be amongst yourself then.
2013-05-04T14:26:33  <mcstar> :)
2013-05-04T14:27:10  <mcstar> mleise: i dont like to be on linux channels or programming language channels or politics channels
2013-05-04T14:27:15  <mcstar> or scifi channels
2013-05-04T14:27:35  <mcstar> #haskell is an exception, it is quite high quality most of the time
2013-05-04T14:27:36  <mleise> wait... does that mean you are not on #haskell ??
2013-05-04T14:27:50  * thestinger is in #rust on irc.mozilla.org ofc ;p
2013-05-04T14:27:56  <mcstar> i dont hang out in there, only when i want something
2013-05-04T14:27:57  <mleise> oh, D is endless listings from the channel bot most of the time
2013-05-04T14:28:11  <thestinger> I don't go in #archlinux anymore but I'm in 3 other arch channels (2 private ones)
2013-05-04T14:28:28  <mleise> like "[GitHub] IgorStepanov commented on pull request D-Programming-Language/druntime#477"
2013-05-04T14:28:33  <thestinger> lol
2013-05-04T14:28:38  <thestinger> it shows all the comments?
2013-05-04T14:28:42  <mleise> YES
2013-05-04T14:28:52  <thestinger> I watch the rust repo and get ~100 emails an hour on weekdays from it
2013-05-04T14:28:53  <mcstar> mleise: do you repond often?
2013-05-04T14:28:56  <mcstar> respond*
2013-05-04T14:29:09  <mleise> not to the bot, no
2013-05-04T14:29:14  <mcstar> :)
2013-05-04T14:29:59  <mleise> it shows comments, pulls, bug reports, new news group topics, reddit and stackoverflow posts mentioning D
2013-05-04T14:30:48  <mleise> well, it gives you all the news all the time I guess ;)
2013-05-04T14:31:45  <mcstar> amstan: that vid of yours reminds me, ronny cox is a great actor, and i very much liked him playing senator kinsey
2013-05-04T14:32:20  <mleise> that slapstick video? i like it. SG in a nutshell
2013-05-04T14:32:34  <mcstar> but he is jaffa! no, but he plays one on tv
2013-05-04T14:32:43  <mcstar> that was spontanious
2013-05-04T14:32:52  <mcstar> jack said it as a joke, and they kept it
2013-05-04T14:33:15  <mleise> you know such details?
2013-05-04T14:33:20  <mcstar> yes
2013-05-04T14:33:36  <mcstar> that reminds me
2013-05-04T14:33:38  <mleise> sci-fi retards...
2013-05-04T14:33:54  <mcstar> when oneill comes back, and calls the stargate 'the old orifice'
2013-05-04T14:34:01  <mcstar> and everyone looks at him with a blank look
2013-05-04T14:34:04  <mcstar> priceless
2013-05-04T14:35:15  <mleise> is the joke that an orifice is usually a body hole in a living being?
2013-05-04T14:35:31  <mcstar> orifice, slit
2013-05-04T14:35:42  <mcstar> not necessarily a body hole
2013-05-04T14:35:50  <mcstar> so no, i dont think thats the joke
2013-05-04T14:36:20  <mleise> so the word is just unusual for a ring of naquada?
2013-05-04T14:36:32  <mcstar> very, to call the stargate that
2013-05-04T14:36:52  <mleise> where did you learn english so well?
2013-05-04T14:36:52  <mcstar> mleise: hey never called it that
2013-05-04T14:37:07  <mcstar> but jack acts as if they were always calling it that
2013-05-04T14:37:11  <mcstar> hey->they
2013-05-04T14:37:12  <mleise> what that ol' ring of naquada?
2013-05-04T14:37:27  <mleise> oh ok
2013-05-04T14:38:05  <mleise> do you remember "We have Space Shuttles!" - "And are those mighty war ships?"
2013-05-04T14:38:35  <mcstar> when they are telling bratac about their ships
2013-05-04T14:38:45  <mcstar> the serpents lair
2013-05-04T14:38:46  <mleise> correct. was that the first or the second time they saved the earth?
2013-05-04T14:39:02  <mcstar> let me think
2013-05-04T14:39:23  <mleise> you keep count?
2013-05-04T14:39:30  <mcstar> no
2013-05-04T14:39:33  <mcstar> teal;c does
2013-05-04T14:39:54  <mcstar> it depends, on how do you cout 'saving the earth'
2013-05-04T14:39:55  <mleise> lol, you even recognize hidden quotes
2013-05-04T14:40:33  <mleise> at ~8 they asked themselves the how maniest(?) time it was
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2013-05-04T14:41:01  <mcstar> thats a nice way to ask it
2013-05-04T14:41:20  <mcstar> i dont think you can say that in english
2013-05-04T14:41:46  <mleise> well saving the world in the way Teal'C would count them
2013-05-04T14:42:15  <mleise> then how do english speakers say that?
2013-05-04T14:42:36  <mleise> ... how often they did that
2013-05-04T14:43:00  <mleise> the english language needs more features
2013-05-04T14:43:20  <mleise> the current syntax is clumsy
2013-05-04T14:44:10  <mcstar> they saved the world in 'fire and water' and in 'hathor' and in 'singularity' before the end of the season
2013-05-04T14:44:16  <mcstar> at least, in some sense
2013-05-04T14:44:55  <mleise> Sometimes they created the threat in the first place.
2013-05-04T14:46:00  <mleise> I would call that cutting one's losses, rather than saving the world
2013-05-04T14:46:02  <mcstar> mleise: i have a hard time with a direct translation, in hungarian it is also straighforward
2013-05-04T14:46:15  <mcstar> 'hanyadik alkalommal ....'
2013-05-04T14:46:40  <mleise> english is like C I guess
2013-05-04T14:46:53  <mleise> that must be why the default LOCALE on Unix is "C"
2013-05-04T14:46:58  <mcstar> i think 'which time was that ....' might be appropriate
2013-05-04T14:47:10  <mcstar> 'the 8th time'
2013-05-04T14:47:33  <mleise> which time was that we saved the world?
2013-05-04T14:47:41  <mcstar> yeah
2013-05-04T14:47:48  <mleise> or "which time was that that we saved the world?"
2013-05-04T14:47:53  <mleise> lol
2013-05-04T14:47:54  <mcstar> which time was when we saved the world from apophis' ship?
2013-05-04T14:48:25  <mcstar> strictly, that was the first time
2013-05-04T14:48:43  <mcstar> but the alien in fire and water threatened to destroy the earth
2013-05-04T14:49:13  <mcstar> and hather has gained control over the base, so she could destroy/enslave the world
2013-05-04T14:49:41  <mcstar> and in singularity cassandra almost exploded destroying the base
2013-05-04T14:50:06  <mcstar> they are not that sever threats as motherships..
2013-05-04T14:50:26  <mcstar> but even for motherships it would have taken some time to destroy earth in a reasonable way
2013-05-04T14:50:47  <mcstar> the threat from the naquadah rich asteroid is much greater
2013-05-04T14:51:13  <mleise> yeah, must be arrogancy. as if SG-1 was the only smart group of humans on earth that could defeat a system lord, ha!
2013-05-04T14:51:28  <mcstar> arrogance
2013-05-04T14:51:49  <mleise> right, thanx
2013-05-04T14:52:14  <mleise> I must learn that stuff if I fly to Las Vegas.
2013-05-04T14:52:29  <mcstar> oooh you are going to las vegas?
2013-05-04T14:54:44  <mleise> It looks like my sister is going, and she's taking her friend with her and my mother wants to do some travels before she's too old and wants me to join.
2013-05-04T14:55:11  <mcstar> why is your sister going?
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2013-05-04T14:55:16  <mcstar> business or pleasure?
2013-05-04T14:56:00  <mleise> As a soon too be physicist she wants to take a look at a country where she might be working one day
2013-05-04T14:56:15  <mcstar> whats in las vegas?
2013-05-04T14:56:24  <mleise> the airport ;)
2013-05-04T14:56:26  <mcstar> idk of any physics projects
2013-05-04T14:56:47  <mleise> she wants to play in a casino there
2013-05-04T14:56:50  <mcstar> i guess there are test sites in the nevada desert
2013-05-04T14:57:01  <mcstar> like, for rocket science and stuff
2013-05-04T14:57:07  <mcstar> but not research institutes
2013-05-04T14:57:19  <mleise> i think she's into solid matter
2013-05-04T14:57:34  <mcstar> mleise: i would recommend her to watch ocean's trilogy
2013-05-04T14:57:43  <mleise> wants to do some useful projects for the future of mankind or so
2013-05-04T14:58:13  <mcstar> mleise: well, soft matter is what would actually help more
2013-05-04T14:58:28  <mcstar> if she is concerned with humanity
2013-05-04T14:58:30  <mleise> yeah brains help
2013-05-04T14:58:37  <mcstar> no, i mean soft matter
2013-05-04T14:58:48  <mleise> water?
2013-05-04T14:58:57  <mcstar> like biological matter, or long chained molecules
2013-05-04T14:59:01  <mcstar> like proteins
2013-05-04T14:59:13  <mcstar> no not water
2013-05-04T14:59:23  <mcstar> it is the opposite of solid state physics
2013-05-04T14:59:33  <mcstar> basically, you dont have a solid matrix
2013-05-04T14:59:42  <mcstar> you use statistical physics
2013-05-04T14:59:49  <mcstar> and less quantum mechanics
2013-05-04T14:59:49  <mleise> yeah I think she's writing something up on OLEDs right now
2013-05-04T14:59:56  <mcstar> great
2013-05-04T15:00:14  <mcstar> i know only that my oled in my samsung player ceased to work
2013-05-04T15:01:00  <mleise> hmm I have some in my MP3 player as well
2013-05-04T15:01:26  <mleise> 128x64 to be exact
2013-05-04T15:01:37  <mcstar> yeah, mine had similar dimensions
2013-05-04T15:01:48  <mcstar> but one day it went black
2013-05-04T15:01:56  <mcstar> i still use the player
2013-05-04T15:02:02  <mcstar> i know what button to press
2013-05-04T15:02:42  <mleise> mine always suffers from display distortion after a while until I flash the firmware again on Windows 2000 or XP
2013-05-04T15:02:43  <mcstar> today, i set the macgyver score as my alarm tune
2013-05-04T15:02:50  <mcstar> on my phone
2013-05-04T15:03:23  <mcstar> and watched the 3rd episode of macgyver
2013-05-04T15:03:53  <mcstar> it was supposedly happen in budapest
2013-05-04T15:04:01  <mleise> I bought coffee capsules today and drove circles around the lake
2013-05-04T15:04:02  <mcstar> and some ppl do talk hungarian
2013-05-04T15:04:14  <mcstar> but a lot of the scene are actually filmed in italy
2013-05-04T15:04:14  <mleise> oh that's special
2013-05-04T15:04:42  <mcstar> mleise: coffein pills?
2013-05-04T15:04:51  <mcstar> why would you buy those?
2013-05-04T15:05:01  <mleise> :-(
2013-05-04T15:05:16  <mcstar> i guess that was a joke
2013-05-04T15:05:34  <mcstar> which i dont get
2013-05-04T15:05:48  <mleise> did you know that receiving coka tea from south america makes you violate the law in germany?
2013-05-04T15:06:13  <mcstar> tea or the leaves?
2013-05-04T15:06:13  <mleise> no I really bought coffee capsules for my coffe capsule machine which brews coffee with them
2013-05-04T15:06:23  <mleise> tea from the supermarket
2013-05-04T15:06:40  <mleise> it's like a strong coffee
2013-05-04T15:07:06  <mcstar> lets try ayahuska
2013-05-04T15:07:54  <mcstar> mleise: just do a google images seach on ayahuasca, it somes up with beautiful paintings
2013-05-04T15:08:16  <mcstar> comes*
2013-05-04T15:08:30  <mleise> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca#Rechtsstatus_in_Deutschland
2013-05-04T15:08:42  <mleise> so exact same story :p
2013-05-04T15:09:28  <mcstar> there is a documentary DMT the spirit molecule
2013-05-04T15:09:39  <mcstar> i think i can recommend it
2013-05-04T15:10:09  <mleise> da fuk?! all images on a plant's name are psychedelic paintings
2013-05-04T15:10:51  <mcstar> yeah
2013-05-04T15:10:59  <mcstar> and they look pretty nice most of the time
2013-05-04T15:11:16  <mleise> looks like the drug makes everyone a painter
2013-05-04T15:12:04  <mleise> would be awesome to just drink that stuff and see what images appear in your head :D
2013-05-04T15:12:18  <mcstar> that is exactly how it works
2013-05-04T15:14:51  <mcstar> thestinger: what do you know about the status of a windows guest having 3d accel on a linux host in any virtualization suite?
2013-05-04T15:15:03  <mleise> hey have you seen that sheep 2.0 ? it glows in the dark.
2013-05-04T15:15:11  <thestinger> mcstar: xen has pci passthrough
2013-05-04T15:15:19  <thestinger> vmware has 3d accel through gallium3d translation
2013-05-04T15:15:27  <thestinger> good enough for old games
2013-05-04T15:15:35  <thestinger> xen works fine for any if you use passthrough
2013-05-04T15:15:44  <mcstar> vmware-workstation fails to build
2013-05-04T15:15:51  <mcstar> PKGBUILD has problems
2013-05-04T15:16:09  <mleise> VirtualBox ?
2013-05-04T15:16:13  <mcstar> not working
2013-05-04T15:16:27  <mleise> oh ok, but they claim to have 3D support
2013-05-04T15:22:36  <mcstar> they do have
2013-05-04T15:22:47  <mcstar> but the whole vm crashed with my xp guest
2013-05-04T15:23:08  <mleise> lol Shark Attack is a cheap movie
2013-05-04T15:23:58  <mleise> this stiff plastic shark attacking the safety cage just doesn't cut it in any meaning of the word
2013-05-04T15:25:09  <mleise> correction: it can in fact close it's mouth
2013-05-04T15:27:21  <mleise> the story is a deep blue sea rip-off. mutant sharks to cure cancer.
2013-05-04T15:29:29  <mcstar> oh
2013-05-04T15:29:35  <mcstar> that makes sense
2013-05-04T15:32:26  <mleise> wait, both movies are from 1999. maybe they just read the same issue of Science Today.
2013-05-04T15:32:47  <mcstar> both?
2013-05-04T15:32:58  <mleise> Shark Attack and Deep Blue Sea
2013-05-04T15:33:13  <mcstar> oh i didnt know that was a movie title
2013-05-04T15:33:14  <mleise> so neither could be a rip-off, right?
2013-05-04T15:33:29  <mcstar> i guess
2013-05-04T15:33:34  <mleise> you don't know Deep Blue Sea?
2013-05-04T15:33:38  <mcstar> no
2013-05-04T15:33:52  <mcstar> correction i do
2013-05-04T15:34:11  <mcstar> in which morgan freeman is eaten by the shark wo warnings
2013-05-04T15:34:15  <mleise> It's awesome. A bit like Aliens, but sometimes so stupid that you want to laught
2013-05-04T15:34:16  <mcstar> ?
2013-05-04T15:34:17  <mleise> *laugh
2013-05-04T15:34:24  <mleise> yes that one
2013-05-04T15:34:33  <mcstar> not my fav. movie
2013-05-04T15:34:54  <mcstar> my favorite is The Matrix, if you were wondering
2013-05-04T15:35:02  <mleise> where he hold a speech about closing that damn hatch for minutes until the shark jumps out of said hatch and eats him, lol
2013-05-04T15:35:09  <mleise> *held
2013-05-04T15:35:13  <mcstar> the chick is hot
2013-05-04T15:35:45  <mcstar> i should watch the incredible hulk sometime
2013-05-04T15:35:48  <mleise> it is featured here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhzNP83GiEs
2013-05-04T15:35:50  <mcstar> it has ed norton
2013-05-04T15:36:15  <mleise> hilarious
2013-05-04T15:36:27  <mcstar> mleise: didnt we see that clip before?
2013-05-04T15:36:30  <mcstar> we did
2013-05-04T15:36:41  <mcstar> or a very similar one with better quality
2013-05-04T15:37:07  <mleise> oh ok, I forgot
2013-05-04T15:37:13  <mcstar> eh. the departed is great
2013-05-04T15:37:51  <mcstar> mleise: have you seen macgruber?
2013-05-04T15:38:04  <mcstar> there is a death scene that is incredibly funny
2013-05-04T15:38:10  <mcstar> and it should be in those clips
2013-05-04T15:38:22  <mcstar> maybe in the 'funniest movie death scenes'
2013-05-04T15:38:31  <mcstar> also, if you havent seen it, watch macgruber
2013-05-04T15:38:37  <mleise> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E_120w5Ms8
2013-05-04T15:38:48  <mleise> i can watch that scene again and again
2013-05-04T15:39:07  <mleise> what's macgruber
2013-05-04T15:39:15  <mcstar> thats the title
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2013-05-04T15:40:13  <mcstar> dont watch scene from it
2013-05-04T15:40:17  <mcstar> just watch the movie
2013-05-04T15:40:20  <mcstar> s
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2013-05-04T15:43:57  <mleise> but I don't own it
2013-05-04T15:44:34  <mcstar> you can rent it from me
2013-05-04T15:47:45  <mleise> haha, that's fucking funny
2013-05-04T15:49:15  <mleise> You gotta keep em on the line long enough to get a location!
2013-05-04T15:49:15  <mleise> Don't worry I've done this before. ... LISTEN TO ME YOU PIECE ... damn, did you get it?
2013-05-04T15:49:45  <mcstar> hehe
2013-05-04T15:49:57  <mcstar> yeah, when they try to call ass bender
2013-05-04T15:50:06  <mcstar> but macgruber has the phone
2013-05-04T15:50:59  <mcstar> mleise: but that movie is worth watching, it wont be the same after you watch the clips
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2013-05-04T15:53:34  <mleise> ok cinebank24 has it. i could go there now and get the DVD :D
2013-05-04T15:54:05  <mleise> 1€ for 4 hrs
2013-05-04T15:54:35  <mcstar> mleise: you have a problem with pieces?
2013-05-04T15:54:56  <mleise> pieces? no
2013-05-04T15:55:12  <mcstar> doesnt torrent mean pieces?
2013-05-04T15:55:33  <mleise> usually not
2013-05-04T15:55:59  <mleise> free file hosting means pieces and queues
2013-05-04T15:56:44  <mleise> but there is no reason to split files referenced by a torrent
2013-05-04T15:56:56  <mcstar> ok, it means stream or creek
2013-05-04T15:57:19  <mcstar> for some reason i remembered it meant small pieces
2013-05-04T15:57:44  <mcstar> but i remember this 'fact' sine i first used torrent
2013-05-04T15:57:58  <mcstar> it is funny when something you thought you knew turns out you dont
2013-05-04T15:58:12  <mleise> when you said torrent I had to think file downloads
2013-05-04T15:58:15  <mcstar> mleise: so, my question is, cant you just download that damn movie?
2013-05-04T15:58:57  <mleise> yes, I could. but I could also walk 2 km to the cinebank
2013-05-04T15:59:17  <mleise> but im to lazy for that now
2013-05-04T15:59:21  <mcstar> lol
2013-05-04T15:59:27  <mcstar> so you will download it
2013-05-04T15:59:32  <mcstar> or rent it online
2013-05-04T16:00:06  <mcstar> i dont like multiplexes
2013-05-04T16:00:22  <mcstar> the screen way too big
2013-05-04T16:00:28  <mcstar> and the sound is waay too load
2013-05-04T16:00:30  <mcstar> loud
2013-05-04T16:00:46  <mcstar> and i cant pause them
2013-05-04T16:01:23  <mleise> what's a multiplex?
2013-05-04T16:01:44  <mcstar> the big ass movies in plazas
2013-05-04T16:04:23  <mleise> if plaza is a cimena i get it
2013-05-04T16:04:26  <mleise> otherwise not
2013-05-04T16:04:35  <mcstar> no
2013-05-04T16:04:38  <mcstar> plaza is a mall
2013-05-04T16:04:48  <mcstar> with stores and many floors
2013-05-04T16:04:55  <mleise> i think i go watch more b-movies on tv
2013-05-04T16:04:58  <mcstar> big ass pile of junk for todays spoiled society
2013-05-04T16:05:08  <mcstar> and it has movies also
2013-05-04T16:05:12  <mcstar> cinemas
2013-05-04T16:05:29  <mleise> ok, we don't have that in germany i hope
2013-05-04T16:05:34  <mleise> sounds horrible
2013-05-04T16:05:42  <mcstar> sure you do
2013-05-04T16:08:43  <mcstar> mleise: great little story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o31pmwWNUww
2013-05-04T16:11:56  <mleise> :P
2013-05-04T16:13:42  <mleise> hey he didn't pay for the tumor
2013-05-04T16:13:51  <mcstar> plain weird
2013-05-04T16:14:15  <mcstar> this david firth guy is mental
2013-05-04T16:16:26  <mleise> he's probably going to end as a side note in some news paper
2013-05-04T16:16:59  <mleise> after trying to switch hands with his dog
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2013-05-04T16:42:32  <mcstar> mleise: have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV832rfjcas
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2013-05-04T17:19:01  <mcstar> mleise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKvLJmI3Qr4
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2013-05-04T20:34:25  <antimatroid> @later tell mcstar I'm not that crazy
2013-05-04T20:34:25  <contestbot> antimatroid: As you wish.
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