2013-06-06T00:25:42 *** Quix0te has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T02:24:59 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: sleep) 2013-06-06T02:54:36 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2013-06-06T03:02:41 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T03:13:06 *** amstan has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2013-06-06T03:34:46 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T03:39:08 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T03:55:02 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-06-06T03:57:43 *** mviel has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T04:17:03 *** coeus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2013-06-06T05:06:09 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T06:06:35 *** floWenoL_ has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2013-06-06T07:49:18 *** bqf_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-06-06T07:49:47 *** bqf has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T08:03:08 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T08:03:21 mleise: have you been updating arch lately? 2013-06-06T08:03:41 mcstar: I'm using Gentoo, remember? :) 2013-06-06T08:03:48 since when??? 2013-06-06T08:04:01 i thought you were an arch convert 2013-06-06T08:04:02 since... very long, should I look for the oldest file? :p 2013-06-06T08:04:17 didnt you say some time ago that you used arch? 2013-06-06T08:04:47 I never used it. Maybe I said it is a good distribution comparable to Gentoo. 2013-06-06T08:04:53 oh 2013-06-06T08:05:17 im sorry 2013-06-06T08:06:25 No problem. Linux is a big family :D 2013-06-06T08:06:28 mleise: you are a different mleise probably, the imaginary one, im used to, is using arch 2013-06-06T08:06:44 j/k, i misremembered 2013-06-06T08:06:51 i hope you are not offended XD 2013-06-06T08:07:09 stop it already, he :p 2013-06-06T08:07:18 or i tell you about my latest data structure 2013-06-06T08:07:28 * mcstar quits 2013-06-06T08:08:39 it is full of system level virtual memory hacks and atomic operations 2013-06-06T08:08:50 yay! i'm in my element 2013-06-06T08:08:59 do that Haskell! 2013-06-06T08:09:42 * mleise looks for the few remaining fields where a systems programming language has a use 2013-06-06T08:13:18 afk sry 2013-06-06T08:13:40 i see 2013-06-06T08:14:20 system level vm hacks, what kinds? 2013-06-06T08:14:38 is there a posix api for vm? 2013-06-06T08:14:46 or is it linux dependent? 2013-06-06T08:15:36 "do that Haskell!" is not really appropriate, since haskell can comfortably call C 2013-06-06T08:15:55 but if you were writing asm, then i take it back 2013-06-06T08:16:04 let me ping you mleise 2013-06-06T08:17:33 ill just postpone this update... 2013-06-06T08:17:39 theres too much trouble 2013-06-06T08:18:17 I do that sometimes and wait for very boring times to do the update 2013-06-06T08:18:37 VM hacks: I map the same physical memory twice into virtual memory 2013-06-06T08:19:09 so you can avoid the friction at the end of a circular buffer 2013-06-06T08:19:36 that's a pretty awesome technique, but not portable 2013-06-06T08:20:12 i dont get it 2013-06-06T08:20:22 what do you gain? 2013-06-06T08:20:27 I'm using a function for files on memory that doesn't belong to a file and such... 2013-06-06T08:21:08 I gain that I can had out a pointer into the circular buffer and have no buffer overflows writing to it or reading from it 2013-06-06T08:21:48 usually when you are 2 bytes from the end of the circular buffer and give that pointer to a file read function to read 100 bytes, your program crashes 2013-06-06T08:22:28 now there is a "mirror" of the start of the circular buffer right after the end, and the read() can continue to write there 2013-06-06T08:22:58 i get that, i just dont see why could the virtual pointer increase indefinitely 2013-06-06T08:23:15 why would it stay always modulo the physical buffer 2013-06-06T08:23:34 you are right, you have to reset it once it runs off 2013-06-06T08:23:51 thats my 'what do you gain' question 2013-06-06T08:24:07 you gain that there is no friction at the end of the buffer 2013-06-06T08:24:30 you can write over its end and get back in at the beginning automatically 2013-06-06T08:24:45 i thought you might wanted to use this trick to eliminate buffer overflow security issues on the vm level or something 2013-06-06T08:24:53 virtually every API expects contiguous memory which a typical circular buffer cannot offer 2013-06-06T08:25:55 no it has nothing to do with security, it's just a more natural way to work with circular buffers than always making a stop at the end and starting again from the beginning. 2013-06-06T08:26:05 i see 2013-06-06T08:26:25 or worse moving and copying memory around just to get your required 1000 bytes in one sequence 2013-06-06T08:27:21 I was really worried about that stuff when I started implementing the buffer :p 2013-06-06T08:27:51 i imagine you were disgusted by inefficiencies 2013-06-06T08:27:51 Then I found this hack and it just solves it. 2013-06-06T08:28:11 yes, ... aw those inefficiencies 2013-06-06T08:28:13 copies, conversions, arrrr 2013-06-06T08:28:20 vm... 2013-06-06T08:28:23 O.o 2013-06-06T08:28:27 XD 2013-06-06T08:28:39 go back to real mode 2013-06-06T08:28:41 that's fair. the CPU helps you with that. 2013-06-06T08:28:46 and use a proper os like DOS 2013-06-06T08:28:50 lol 2013-06-06T08:29:47 Really I want to see the day that I can use this stuff to show off on the D news group with some algorithm working 5 times faster than with the standard library functions. 2013-06-06T08:30:21 I already have a 13 times faster UTF conversion routine -.- 2013-06-06T08:30:37 but it is only 95% correct 2013-06-06T08:30:44 that's right 2013-06-06T08:30:58 or rather it doesn't check correctness 2013-06-06T08:31:03 :) 2013-06-06T08:31:22 correctness checks are so inefficient. they don't get the JOB done 2013-06-06T08:31:23 well, im sure they would really appreciate if you had rewritten the whole stdlib 2013-06-06T08:31:43 just like the ocaml folks are happy to distribute ocaml with the 2 new standard libraries 2013-06-06T08:32:06 sure if I had written the stdlib we would have a proper hierarchy and efficiency. 2013-06-06T08:32:07 (they arent and they dont, if you were wondering) 2013-06-06T08:32:52 how could they dare rely on a garbage collector in the stdlib is beyond me. Rust got it right 2013-06-06T08:33:38 What should the hard working people at Intel and AMD think if you waste all the efforts they put into efficiency of their processors? 2013-06-06T08:33:42 im still wondering 2013-06-06T08:34:06 If I'm serious? :) 2013-06-06T08:34:09 how do you guys make a living 2013-06-06T08:34:12 you and stinger 2013-06-06T08:34:26 we don't know either 2013-06-06T08:34:30 its rhetorical, dont answer 2013-06-06T08:35:28 mleise: wrt. cpu manufacturers, they are probably holding back the pace 2013-06-06T08:36:08 you may be right. no need to waste all the marketing potential in one big puff 2013-06-06T08:36:08 the fact that moore's law is so perfect is because they are artificially develop technology slower than it could 2013-06-06T08:37:04 I don't think that it is easy at the moment. If it was we wouldn't see quad core processors become mainstream 2013-06-06T08:37:20 if it were* 2013-06-06T08:37:21 They cannot make CPUs faster any more 2013-06-06T08:37:37 right, were are my grammars 2013-06-06T08:37:44 where* 2013-06-06T08:38:02 also, grammars is probably wrong too 2013-06-06T08:38:03 gods damnit you can be nit-picky XD 2013-06-06T08:38:23 -s 2013-06-06T08:38:24 I think I got damnit right 2013-06-06T08:38:42 well, are you a polytheist? 2013-06-06T08:39:01 http://www.ugo.com/tv/what-we-will-miss-about-battlestar-gods-dammit 2013-06-06T08:39:11 oh 2013-06-06T08:39:15 the 13 gods? 2013-06-06T08:39:31 frack 2013-06-06T08:39:41 Defiance has a new word for shit 2013-06-06T08:39:46 stacko 2013-06-06T08:39:53 Yeah, I like to say "Gods damnit", "So say we all" and "What the frak" 2013-06-06T08:40:06 stacko? meh 2013-06-06T08:40:31 not stake, but stockholm 2013-06-06T08:40:51 its not bad 2013-06-06T08:40:56 You put our lives at stockholm ? 2013-06-06T08:41:09 several full artifical languages were developed for the show 2013-06-06T08:41:15 mleise: what? 2013-06-06T08:41:27 they don't say stake but stockholm? 2013-06-06T08:41:38 nooooo the S 2013-06-06T08:41:44 the S in stacko 2013-06-06T08:42:00 it is pronounced like in stockholm, not like in stake 2013-06-06T08:42:06 sounds the same to me 2013-06-06T08:42:09 ? 2013-06-06T08:42:17 say the 2 words out loud 2013-06-06T08:42:24 oh 2013-06-06T08:42:28 unless you mean a hissing sound 2013-06-06T08:42:35 but that's not english 2013-06-06T08:42:42 mleise: sry, i used the hungarian pronounciation of stockholm 2013-06-06T08:42:55 ok then I use the german one 2013-06-06T08:43:08 wait ill find a good example that actually works 2013-06-06T08:43:08 sh....tackoooo 2013-06-06T08:43:11 sh 2013-06-06T08:43:13 thats it 2013-06-06T08:43:16 shtacko 2013-06-06T08:43:49 so in hungarian every letter has a distinct sound, right? 2013-06-06T08:43:53 actually i dont know what the english pronunciation of Stockholm 2013-06-06T08:43:57 does that mean 's' is always 'sh' ? 2013-06-06T08:44:01 yes 2013-06-06T08:44:10 sz is english s 2013-06-06T08:44:40 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Sv-Stockholm.ogg :( 2013-06-06T08:45:17 'szí' is english 'see' or 'c' 2013-06-06T08:45:19 sounds more like sztockholm in sweden 2013-06-06T08:46:07 scí ? that doesn't match the one-letter one phoneme rule 2013-06-06T08:46:13 yeah that sounds like stock-holm 2013-06-06T08:46:14 szí 2013-06-06T08:46:27 mleise: sz is one letter 2013-06-06T08:46:36 ß is one letter 2013-06-06T08:46:41 s and z are different letters too 2013-06-06T08:47:12 so when s and z are together it is always pronounced sz ? 2013-06-06T08:47:21 we have cs, ny, dzs, zs, ty, sz, ly gy too 2013-06-06T08:47:32 mleise: yes 2013-06-06T08:47:40 fair enough 2013-06-06T08:47:53 what does gy sound like? 2013-06-06T08:48:00 for example mz name is Frigyes 2013-06-06T08:48:06 my* 2013-06-06T08:48:14 F r i gy e s 2013-06-06T08:48:36 thats Frederick 2013-06-06T08:48:45 O.o 2013-06-06T08:48:48 or what else is the german equivalent 2013-06-06T08:49:08 Friedrich maybe 2013-06-06T08:49:12 yeah 2013-06-06T08:49:20 i never know 2013-06-06T08:49:32 ill have to learn this obscure german 2013-06-06T08:49:38 :) 2013-06-06T08:49:47 gy sounds like 'J' 2013-06-06T08:50:05 well, not really 2013-06-06T08:50:10 english J ? 2013-06-06T08:50:31 yes 2013-06-06T08:50:41 or maybe im confusing it with german 2013-06-06T08:51:03 no english is good 2013-06-06T08:51:07 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Hu-magyar_nyelv.ogg 2013-06-06T08:51:35 i cant find an english word with a 'gy' sound 2013-06-06T08:51:44 do you use opera and get this tiny media player, too? 2013-06-06T08:51:59 chromium 2013-06-06T08:52:09 and thats the html5 player 2013-06-06T08:52:30 i mean the built in one 2013-06-06T08:53:11 by the way: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4887806_700b.jpg 2013-06-06T08:53:45 n1 2013-06-06T08:53:46 ...no it isn't a fox 2013-06-06T08:54:20 looks like the one in the logo 2013-06-06T08:54:29 it doesnt matter really, the joke is good 2013-06-06T08:54:33 yeah 2013-06-06T08:54:47 and the expression of the animal, too 2013-06-06T08:54:55 like "I don't get it" 2013-06-06T08:55:22 yesterday i watched 2 hours of 'just for laughs' gags 2013-06-06T08:55:26 it's when dogs begin to wig their tail 2013-06-06T08:55:36 i broke my funny bone 2013-06-06T08:55:39 hehe 2013-06-06T08:56:07 I'm trying to keep my doses of failblog and co low 2013-06-06T08:57:02 http://www.snotr.com/video/1688/Peace_dove_fail 2013-06-06T08:57:41 ive seen that one 2013-06-06T08:57:48 it isnt really funny 2013-06-06T08:57:59 i hate that grown ups can be very stupid 2013-06-06T08:58:02 I thought so and yes, it is black humor 2013-06-06T08:58:31 lol 2013-06-06T08:58:42 i cliked tge ogg link and terminology just played it for me 2013-06-06T08:58:58 lol 2013-06-06T08:59:00 this is nice 2013-06-06T08:59:07 i can see the pics too 2013-06-06T08:59:38 the dove opened firefox on the other hand 2013-06-06T08:59:44 Ok ok, but do you know this? And if not, will you survive it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5im0Ssyyus 2013-06-06T09:00:34 never seen it 2013-06-06T09:00:47 do you know the Bronies? 2013-06-06T09:01:48 mleise: tell me when should i start laughing 2013-06-06T09:01:50 only heard of it 2013-06-06T09:01:58 i will miss it 2013-06-06T09:02:02 mcstar: you didn't laugh yet? 2013-06-06T09:02:07 no 2013-06-06T09:02:10 damn you are not sensitive to the insanity 2013-06-06T09:03:07 i hoped that thing would eat the horses 2013-06-06T09:03:35 the contrast of one character who is in a bad mood and annoyed by everything and another that is happy, naive and motivated beyond measure is what is funny there. 2013-06-06T09:03:51 I think the candy mountain eats them 2013-06-06T09:04:09 not sure though, haven't seen it in a while 2013-06-06T09:04:53 i think they eventually fucked charlie over 2013-06-06T09:05:12 heh 2013-06-06T09:05:21 organ thieves?\ 2013-06-06T09:05:31 heh 2013-06-06T09:05:38 as I said I don't remember the details :p 2013-06-06T09:05:40 that was funny 2013-06-06T09:06:36 this is a cautionary tale 2013-06-06T09:06:54 if you have idiot friends they might try to fuck you over 2013-06-06T09:07:10 best is to refrain form friendship 2013-06-06T09:07:14 from* 2013-06-06T09:07:41 well, it fortunately only pertains to unicorns 2013-06-06T09:08:03 so for us humans there is not much to learn from that tale 2013-06-06T09:09:04 good byyyyeee charlieeeee 2013-06-06T09:09:04 jesus 2013-06-06T09:09:48 sy just wrote Nabla_a in place of Nabla_\boldsymbol{R} v_a(\boldsymbol{r}-\boldsymbol{R}) 2013-06-06T09:10:10 ah wonderful times were that 2013-06-06T09:10:48 ahh the heresy! 2013-06-06T09:10:55 is that latex? 2013-06-06T09:11:07 yes ofc 2013-06-06T09:11:18 im paraphrasing handwritten text 2013-06-06T09:11:51 i mean, i could tell you that in english, but a formula is more succint in latex than in plain english 2013-06-06T09:12:16 well, with this supplementary material, it might not be, in the end 2013-06-06T09:12:38 the guy just missed the field variable v_a and indexed the grad operator 2013-06-06T09:12:41 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Read error: No buffer space available) 2013-06-06T09:13:14 i just hope he didnt copy it straight from the blackboard 2013-06-06T09:17:27 ive got to review second quantization 2013-06-06T09:17:52 but first let me watch this episode with charlie 2013-06-06T09:18:51 *** Quix0te has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 325 seconds) 2013-06-06T09:19:32 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T09:21:06 mleise: if you want the truth, i have laughed now 2013-06-06T09:21:13 but this is idiotic 2013-06-06T09:21:37 chu-chu shoe 2013-06-06T09:23:25 ok, gotta hack a little more 2013-06-06T09:28:23 im going to punch this guy in the nose 2013-06-06T09:28:36 effing chimney sweeper 2013-06-06T09:29:07 comes every years, i think twice, and wants me to pay for his services for NO EFFING WORK 2013-06-06T09:29:09 in return 2013-06-06T09:29:20 he just fucking loooks into the chimney says ok 2013-06-06T09:29:29 and* 2013-06-06T09:29:51 the only problem is that he is probably a body builder 2013-06-06T09:30:00 cause the looks ripped and wide 2013-06-06T09:30:05 he* 2013-06-06T09:30:11 im already starting to feel the anger 2013-06-06T09:30:52 i hope he is not a civil servant, cause i dont want jail time 2013-06-06T09:35:09 lol, hey may have a work accident one day you know? 2013-06-06T09:35:18 chimneys are high 2013-06-06T09:35:54 mleise: he looks into the chimney from below! 2013-06-06T09:36:46 he's got a little mirror that he puts into the cleaning exit 2013-06-06T09:37:48 wow, massive work 2013-06-06T09:37:55 pulling that mirror out and all 2013-06-06T09:38:54 I don't know how much money the chimney sweeper wants, it's in the rent for the flat as far as I can tell. 2013-06-06T09:41:16 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-06-06T09:41:18 mleise: i think ive figured it out 2013-06-06T09:41:32 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T09:41:52 Charlie is a lonely guy who takes drugs to get up his mood but he ends up badly 2013-06-06T09:42:09 well, worse than he was before 2013-06-06T09:42:28 ooooh he found his kidney in the snowman 2013-06-06T09:42:42 this was an unexpected turn 2013-06-06T09:45:33 drugs are definitely in the mix 2013-06-06T10:03:37 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T10:03:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2013-06-06T10:04:54 *** amstan has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2013-06-06T10:05:49 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T10:05:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2013-06-06T10:08:33 mleise: "Independent animator Jason Steele initially conceived Charlie the Unicorn in 2005 as a flash animation test for his mother, who enjoyed unicorn-related conversation." 2013-06-06T10:11:55 "unicorn-related conversation" - hey everyone can enjoy that 2013-06-06T10:13:34 it has been a while since i enjoyed a unicorn related conversation 2013-06-06T10:13:39 especially with my mom 2013-06-06T11:43:49 *** btiberi has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T11:59:56 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2013-06-06T12:14:50 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T13:04:19 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T13:12:30 thestinger: arch f'ed me over again 2013-06-06T13:12:35 lol 2013-06-06T13:12:41 so what you mean is you broke stuff 2013-06-06T13:12:46 not yet 2013-06-06T13:12:51 mcstar: what then? ;p 2013-06-06T13:12:53 but i cant upgrade wo manual interaction 2013-06-06T13:13:06 and grub is gone! 2013-06-06T13:13:18 'gone'? 2013-06-06T13:13:20 ;\ 2013-06-06T13:13:24 yeah, the old one 2013-06-06T13:13:31 well it hasn't been in the repos for like a year 2013-06-06T13:13:34 mcstar: use syslinux 2013-06-06T13:13:48 what? 2013-06-06T13:14:01 ill upgrade to grub aka grub2 2013-06-06T13:14:08 but i dont have time now 2013-06-06T13:14:14 why syslinux? 2013-06-06T13:14:59 are there any more major changes coming up with arch? 2013-06-06T13:15:08 like, they plan to change the kernel to hurd 2013-06-06T13:15:31 or, purge /usr/share/doc, because there is the wiki already 2013-06-06T13:15:46 mcstar: because grub2 is a huge mess 2013-06-06T13:15:48 or use a case insensitive filesystem, cause who needs cases 2013-06-06T13:15:55 mcstar: grub1 isn't maintained 2013-06-06T13:15:57 it was dropped 2013-06-06T13:15:59 grub == grub2 2013-06-06T13:16:02 i know 2013-06-06T13:16:18 mcstar: anyway syslinux is better than grub2. it's simpler/faster and easier to deal with 2013-06-06T13:16:18 i used grub2 before with GPT 2013-06-06T13:16:33 super simple configuration file, and it's modular 2013-06-06T13:16:55 can it haz cheez... i mean is it themeable? 2013-06-06T13:17:02 mcstar: colors, yes 2013-06-06T13:17:07 just that? 2013-06-06T13:17:12 and you can use a png splash if you really want 2013-06-06T13:17:31 maybe ill pimp my system in the summer 2013-06-06T13:17:37 or you can turn off the menu entirely and it prints a single line to the console 2013-06-06T13:17:44 boring 2013-06-06T13:17:47 i need animations 2013-06-06T13:17:54 and 3d effects 2013-06-06T13:17:58 the animations can be from plymouth ;p 2013-06-06T13:18:23 for real, are there any severe changes coming up in the near future? 2013-06-06T13:18:36 mcstar: 'severe', no 2013-06-06T13:18:40 *** cyphase has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded) 2013-06-06T13:18:56 we merged /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin into /usr/bin much like fedora (they aren't entirely finished) 2013-06-06T13:19:10 yeah, thats the thing im talking about 2013-06-06T13:19:13 but besides that 2013-06-06T13:19:22 are there going to be any? 2013-06-06T13:19:28 well that's just a 'pacman -Syu --ignore filesystem && pacman -S filesystem' ;p 2013-06-06T13:19:31 mcstar: no 2013-06-06T13:19:32 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-06T13:19:33 yay 2013-06-06T13:19:41 mcstar: well, we dropped all the legacy rc.d scripts too 2013-06-06T13:19:43 no more 2013-06-06T13:19:54 yeah, ill have to get rid of initscripts 2013-06-06T13:19:57 one day 2013-06-06T13:20:13 well initscripts isn't in the repos and there are no more rc.d scripts ;p 2013-06-06T13:20:21 i can share mine! 2013-06-06T13:20:24 for those who need it 2013-06-06T13:20:28 lol 2013-06-06T13:20:31 XD 2013-06-06T13:20:40 mcstar: well 2013-06-06T13:20:48 if falconindy decides to stop splitting out systemd-sysvcompat 2013-06-06T13:21:00 there will be no alternate init systems, even in the aur 2013-06-06T13:21:13 and I'm going to convince him to do it, no worries 2013-06-06T13:21:42 what distro would you recommend which is like arch but it isnt? 2013-06-06T13:21:47 exherbo! 2013-06-06T13:21:50 the only other good distro 2013-06-06T13:21:56 rolling release? 2013-06-06T13:22:03 rolling release, source-based 2013-06-06T13:22:07 no then 2013-06-06T13:22:09 gentoo without incompetent devs :D 2013-06-06T13:22:24 ill need a system for a multi user workstation 2013-06-06T13:22:30 mcstar: http://www.exherbo.org/ ;p 2013-06-06T13:22:38 but for stability i dont want a rolling release based 2013-06-06T13:22:53 i want an up to date distro but that machine could run for a year wo shutdown 2013-06-06T13:23:11 that's not secure! ;p 2013-06-06T13:23:23 mcstar: I packaged playpen in the aur btw. 2013-06-06T13:23:24 it is on a closed network 2013-06-06T13:23:36 mcstar: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/playpen-git ! 2013-06-06T13:23:59 it will end up being ubuntu i suspect 2013-06-06T13:24:13 thats the distro my coworkers are most familiar with 2013-06-06T13:24:14 ubuntu? stable? lol. 2013-06-06T13:24:19 but thats very superficial 2013-06-06T13:24:29 thestinger: well, it has 6 months release cycle 2013-06-06T13:24:30 ubuntu is way less stable than arch from all their patches 2013-06-06T13:24:31 so thats stable 2013-06-06T13:24:36 mcstar: yeah, but for the entire cycle it's less stable 2013-06-06T13:24:40 lots of crashes, lots of bugs 2013-06-06T13:24:41 i dont mean actual program stability 2013-06-06T13:24:46 mcstar: kernel stability then 2013-06-06T13:25:14 mcstar: use linux mint debian edition. a mostly rolling release without manual intervention 2013-06-06T13:25:29 debian is way behind everything 2013-06-06T13:25:33 isnt it? 2013-06-06T13:25:48 mcstar: debian has branches 2013-06-06T13:25:58 debian stable is ancient software 2013-06-06T13:25:58 i see 2013-06-06T13:26:09 years old, without even backported bug fixes (mostly only security fixes) 2013-06-06T13:26:29 mcstar: debian unstable is comparable-ish to arch 2013-06-06T13:27:11 mcstar: but less stable. 2013-06-06T13:27:24 'stable' as in breakage 2013-06-06T13:27:31 it gets updates slower 2013-06-06T13:27:46 mcstar: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ LMDE is based on that. 2013-06-06T13:28:00 mcstar: it has freezes, but is sometimes delayed-semi-rolling 2013-06-06T13:28:06 s/sometimes/mostly/ 2013-06-06T13:28:17 is this the same linuxmint.com? 2013-06-06T13:28:37 mcstar: yes 2013-06-06T13:28:53 mcstar: but use lmde, not the crappy ubuntu based one ;p 2013-06-06T13:29:16 thestinger: how long would you estimate arch could be used without powerdown, but keeping being able to install software anytime? 2013-06-06T13:29:32 mcstar: until a kernel update? ;p 2013-06-06T13:29:38 assuming you ignore the kernel update 2013-06-06T13:29:43 yeah, but i could delay that 2013-06-06T13:30:09 mcstar: well, until something like systemd depends on a new kernel I guess 2013-06-06T13:30:16 6 months? 2013-06-06T13:30:57 we'll see, this system is not ready yet 2013-06-06T13:31:01 I mean, assuming you're doing -Syu --ignore linux 2013-06-06T13:31:06