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2013-06-08T14:34:38  <mcstar> thestinger: i talked to michael today
2013-06-08T14:34:45  <thestinger> who?
2013-06-08T14:34:50  <thestinger> oh
2013-06-08T14:34:52  <thestinger> i3
2013-06-08T14:34:55  <mcstar> yep
2013-06-08T14:35:05  <thestinger> mcstar: about workspaces?
2013-06-08T14:35:08  <mcstar> yep
2013-06-08T14:35:13  <thestinger> what did he say?
2013-06-08T14:35:23  <mcstar> well,to follow what i3-wsbar does
2013-06-08T14:35:54  <mcstar> now i just need to find a panel that has lots of applets, and has python binding for writing them
2013-06-08T14:36:03  <mcstar> i just talked to the xfce guys
2013-06-08T14:36:08  <mcstar> they dont support python
2013-06-08T14:36:12  <thestinger> ha
2013-06-08T14:36:20  <thestinger> mcstar: what *do* they support?
2013-06-08T14:36:25  <mcstar> c?
2013-06-08T14:36:43  <thestinger> the horrible dynamically typed gobject C, I guess
2013-06-08T14:36:49  <mcstar> yeah
2013-06-08T14:36:50  <mcstar> vala
2013-06-08T14:37:03  <mcstar> i think xfce builds on vala
2013-06-08T14:37:07  <mcstar> doesnt matter
2013-06-08T14:37:11  <thestinger> the nicest C I have seen is systemd because they use the good gcc extensions like cleanup
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2013-06-08T14:37:21  <thestinger> they might as well be writing in a subset of C++ though.
2013-06-08T14:37:32  <mcstar> i REALLY dont understand why are ppl afraid of c++
2013-06-08T14:37:37  <mcstar> yeah
2013-06-08T14:37:54  <thestinger> __attribute__((cleanup(function))) int foo; // they use sugar though for cleanup(function)
2013-06-08T14:38:04  <thestinger> it's a scope guard
2013-06-08T14:38:07  <mcstar> c++ can be hard, but it is stupid to reimplement c++ as 'conventions' in c
2013-06-08T14:38:09  <thestinger> just passes &foo to the function
2013-06-08T14:38:17  <thestinger> and it even supports stack unwinding (C++ exceptions) ;p
2013-06-08T14:38:33  <thestinger> but... you could use standard C++
2013-06-08T14:38:38  <mcstar> ...
2013-06-08T14:38:43  <mcstar> let them die
2013-06-08T14:38:57  <thestinger> mcstar: gcc also has destructors for C
2013-06-08T14:39:00  <thestinger> for structs
2013-06-08T14:39:02  <thestinger> :D
2013-06-08T14:39:04  <mcstar> how great
2013-06-08T14:39:09  <mcstar> im sure i wont need that
2013-06-08T14:39:29  <thestinger> mcstar: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Variable-Attributes.html#Variable-Attributes
2013-06-08T14:39:31  <mcstar> there is this pypanel
2013-06-08T14:39:31  <thestinger> cleanup is there
2013-06-08T14:39:35  <mcstar> im sure it is great
2013-06-08T14:39:48  <mcstar> the problem is, it doesnt even run under i3
2013-06-08T14:40:05  <mcstar> it doesnt work, if you dont have any workspaces or whatnot
2013-06-08T14:40:14  <mcstar> a None condition is not handled
2013-06-08T14:40:44  <thestinger> yay
2013-06-08T14:41:03  <thestinger> None is not iterable, is my nemesis
2013-06-08T14:41:04  <mcstar> _DESKTOP_COUNT
2013-06-08T14:41:07  <thestinger> stupid dynamic typing
2013-06-08T14:42:05  <mcstar> the internet is saying bad things about gnome-panel
2013-06-08T14:42:15  <mcstar> like, it is based on outdated technology
2013-06-08T14:42:19  <thestinger> it's a dead project
2013-06-08T14:42:23  <thestinger> and uses a dead protocol
2013-06-08T14:42:28  <thestinger> corba/bonobo crap
2013-06-08T14:42:46  <mcstar> and nowadays, only MATE is taking care of gnome2
2013-06-08T14:42:49  <thestinger> mcstar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo_(component_model)
2013-06-08T14:42:53  <mcstar> i dont want bonobo
2013-06-08T14:43:00  <mcstar> thats a kind of monkney
2013-06-08T14:43:03  <thestinger> it's awful
2013-06-08T14:43:21  <mcstar> so there remains lxpanel
2013-06-08T14:45:03  <mcstar> thestinger: http://lxde.org/irc
2013-06-08T14:45:16  <mcstar> wtf
2013-06-08T14:45:33  <mcstar> whats the name of the channel? and where is it?
2013-06-08T14:45:55  <mcstar> oftc
2013-06-08T14:46:53  <thestinger> oftc is a better freenode
2013-06-08T14:47:08  <mcstar> but they dont list the channel name/server on the irc.html page
2013-06-08T14:47:21  <mcstar> only in /contact
2013-06-08T14:47:30  <mcstar> </rant>
2013-06-08T14:47:48  <mcstar> 41 ppl
2013-06-08T14:47:51  <mcstar> doesnt look good
2013-06-08T14:48:16  <mcstar> ive seen some haskell folks on i3 though :)
2013-06-08T14:48:20  <mcstar> #i3
2013-06-08T14:48:39  <mcstar> why isnt #i3 hosted on freenode is another mistery
2013-06-08T14:49:13  <thestinger> mcstar: greg kh and esr use i3 ;p
2013-06-08T14:49:41  <mcstar> dont know them
2013-06-08T14:49:46  <thestinger> mcstar: it's not hosted on freenode because michael wants his own german irc server ;p
2013-06-08T14:49:56  <thestinger> stupid german nickserv
2013-06-08T14:50:14  <thestinger> mcstar: eric s raymond?
2013-06-08T14:50:21  <thestinger> mcstar: greg kh is one of the main linux kernel devs
2013-06-08T14:50:36  <mcstar> kh?
2013-06-08T14:50:40  <mcstar> what kind of name is that?
2013-06-08T14:50:51  <mcstar> is that the korean guy?
2013-06-08T14:51:04  <mcstar> ive seen some kernel dev guy that works with linus
2013-06-08T14:51:06  <thestinger> mcstar: initials, silly
2013-06-08T14:51:07  <mcstar> is that him?
2013-06-08T14:51:14  <thestinger> mcstar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Kroah-Hartman
2013-06-08T14:51:20  <mcstar> no then
2013-06-08T14:51:25  <thestinger> mcstar: he made udev
2013-06-08T14:51:35  <thestinger> kay is the current maintainer now (as part of systemd)
2013-06-08T14:52:16  <mcstar> this eric is familiar from the pics
2013-06-08T14:52:30  <mcstar> he looks like a complete retard
2013-06-08T14:52:36  <mcstar> but not like stallman
2013-06-08T14:53:45  <mcstar> Alma mater: University of Pennsylvania (dropped out)[
2013-06-08T14:53:55  <mcstar> wth? why is it an alma mater if he is dropped out?
2013-06-08T14:54:00  <mcstar> thats stupid
2013-06-08T14:54:06  <mcstar> he has*
2013-06-08T14:54:44  <thestinger> rms has a degree in biology or something
2013-06-08T14:55:17  <mcstar> thestinger: http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/user-experience/window-ui do you think these layouts can be activated?
2013-06-08T14:55:38  <thestinger> mcstar: doubt it
2013-06-08T14:55:52  <thestinger> I use firefox anyway
2013-06-08T14:56:00  <mcstar> ive seen firefox has sidetabs
2013-06-08T14:56:12  <thestinger> yes firefox can have side tabs or tree based tabs
2013-06-08T14:56:17  <thestinger> and it has tab groups
2013-06-08T14:56:29  <thestinger> chromium's UI can't be melded much by extensions even
2013-06-08T14:59:58  <mcstar> hm
2013-06-08T15:00:03  <mcstar> whats cinnamon?
2013-06-08T15:00:07  <thestinger> gnome3 fork
2013-06-08T15:00:49  <mcstar> it has applets
2013-06-08T15:00:58  <thestinger> modern ones.
2013-06-08T15:01:01  <thestinger> without hacks
2013-06-08T15:01:13  <mcstar> why didnt you mention it?
2013-06-08T15:02:17  <thestinger> mcstar: because I doubt they are independent of it ;p
2013-06-08T15:05:06  <mcstar> maybe kde is the solution, that MUST be scriptable
2013-06-08T15:05:14  <mcstar> if in nothing else, then js
2013-06-08T15:05:47  <thestinger> mcstar: I don't know why you don't just use python + the high-level i3 bindings + gtk/qt
2013-06-08T15:05:58  <thestinger> it will be 100 lines of code
2013-06-08T15:06:06  <thestinger> you could be done 10 times over ;p
2013-06-08T15:06:22  <mcstar> i dont follow
2013-06-08T15:06:25  <thestinger> set window hint to be a panel, set size, add buttons/text
2013-06-08T15:06:29  <mcstar> i have to use an existing panel
2013-06-08T15:06:32  <thestinger> why
2013-06-08T15:06:41  <mcstar> becuase i dont want to reimplement applets
2013-06-08T15:07:02  <mcstar> those little graphical shitty things that provide information
2013-06-08T15:07:19  <mcstar> if i didnt needed those, i could stay with the text based one
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2013-06-08T15:27:05  <mcstar> thestinger: i just crashed i3 <3
2013-06-08T15:34:35  <mcstar> i have found a 'bug' in i3
2013-06-08T15:34:58  <mcstar> after a crash, the workspaces are not restored on the i3bar, only the current one
2013-06-08T15:35:05  <mcstar> while it is possible to switch to them
2013-06-08T15:35:18  <mcstar> (and the windows are intact that were there originally)
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