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2013-06-13T06:35:20  * mleise has a deadlock and one of the threads is stuck in the garbage collector implementation
2013-06-13T06:40:28  <mcstar> o.O
2013-06-13T06:40:43  <mcstar> would we please stop fucking programming?
2013-06-13T06:41:07  <mcstar> sry, i didnt mean to write that
2013-06-13T06:43:00  <mcstar> i didnt know you used the GC btw, i thought you think it was evil
2013-06-13T06:49:38  <mcstar> hey, google now provides 15GB storage?
2013-06-13T06:50:41  <mcstar> i need to desperately upload something, im using only 2% of that
2013-06-13T06:53:14  <mleise> mcstar: you are right... I shouldn't use the GC there. I can allocate that array on the stack or with malloc() without freaking dead-locks -.-
2013-06-13T06:56:14  <mcstar> mleise: i was fucking around yesterday with plasmoids, which means qt event loop, python multiprocessing and python threads.... it was a clusterfuck
2013-06-13T06:56:38  <mcstar> i got crashes all the time, they didnt work together well
2013-06-13T06:56:54  <mcstar> ill just have to stay in Qt
2013-06-13T06:57:05  <mcstar> but that means i cant use the python binding to i3
2013-06-13T06:57:19  <mcstar> => have to handle the i3 socket myself
2013-06-13T06:57:47  <mcstar> but, with that, i managed to break i3.. while running
2013-06-13T06:58:14  <mcstar> i think ill write this pager when i dont have to concentrate on something else..
2013-06-13T06:58:30  <mcstar> it is not that piece of cake as i previously thought it would be
2013-06-13T06:58:47  <mleise> clusterfuck was the word that was translated worst in BSG
2013-06-13T06:59:07  <mcstar> ty, for picking out the most relevant part of my whine
2013-06-13T07:00:02  <mleise> "Star cluster? Sounds more like clusterfrak!" -> "Sternenhaufen? Hört sich mehr nach einem Haufen Sex an." -> "Star heap? Sounds more like a heap of sex."
2013-06-13T07:00:14  <mcstar> mleise: i just got a reply from a friend that i didnt talk to in a long time, and he asks me what do i think of the aspiring technology of 3d printing
2013-06-13T07:00:20  <mcstar> wtf is wrong with ppl
2013-06-13T07:00:36  <mleise> did he ask you how you are?
2013-06-13T07:00:40  <mcstar> no
2013-06-13T07:01:02  <mleise> well the bar tenders tend to always ask me how I am. It's annoying :p
2013-06-13T07:01:11  <mcstar> :)
2013-06-13T07:01:25  <mcstar> you must be looking sad
2013-06-13T07:01:52  <mleise> damn, *looks in the mirror*
2013-06-13T07:02:01  <mcstar>  /bartender maan, i hope he is not going to commit suicide while he is in my bar, i better ask him he is he!
2013-06-13T07:02:11  <mleise> haha
2013-06-13T07:02:17  <mcstar> he->how
2013-06-13T07:02:35  <mleise> no last time was in the super market
2013-06-13T07:03:11  <mleise> "how are you?" - I ignore him. - "hey! how are you" - "I'm fine"
2013-06-13T07:03:41  <mcstar> lol
2013-06-13T07:03:46  <mcstar> very agressive
2013-06-13T07:03:50  <mleise> I just wanted to buy a frozen pizza, you know.
2013-06-13T07:04:31  <mcstar> i wonder if you get it cheaper if you talk to the cashier
2013-06-13T07:05:15  <mcstar> 'say how are you, and save 10%'
2013-06-13T07:05:38  <mleise> cashier: "How are you?" - "I really don't feel so well, but if I got this pizza for 10% less, that'd really make me happy now."
2013-06-13T07:05:59  <mcstar> 'talk to our drones, and we give you a bonus, buy 1 take home 2!'
2013-06-13T07:06:12  <mcstar> :)
2013-06-13T07:06:24  <mcstar> mleise: then he would look at you like you were crazy
2013-06-13T07:06:38  <mleise> drones... well you know they are a big topic in politics here at the moment
2013-06-13T07:06:46  <mcstar> military drones?
2013-06-13T07:06:49  <mleise> yes
2013-06-13T07:06:58  <mcstar> i meant it as 'workers'
2013-06-13T07:07:06  <mcstar> meanial job workers
2013-06-13T07:07:10  <mleise> I know
2013-06-13T07:07:20  <mcstar> -a
2013-06-13T07:07:35  <mleise> we bought some, but they aren't allowed to fly in europe
2013-06-13T07:07:54  <mcstar> hehe
2013-06-13T07:07:55  <mleise> that's a rather stupid situation
2013-06-13T07:08:17  <mcstar> yeah, i told the secretary of defense, during brunch, hey buddy, woudlnt it be nice to own some drones?
2013-06-13T07:08:18  <mleise> because they don't include collision prevention systems
2013-06-13T07:08:23  <mcstar> yeah yeah, would be great for my little biy
2013-06-13T07:08:25  <mcstar> boy
2013-06-13T07:08:37  <mleise> lol, I think something like that must have happened
2013-06-13T07:08:39  <mcstar> ok, well, you know they cant fly over european airspace
2013-06-13T07:08:49  <mcstar> not a problem, i just want them on display
2013-06-13T07:09:37  <mcstar> mleise: you should have bought zeppelins
2013-06-13T07:09:41  <mcstar> it has cushion
2013-06-13T07:10:13  <mcstar> i mean, collision is not a problem with them, right?
2013-06-13T07:10:25  <mleise> no, as long as they don't use hydrogen
2013-06-13T07:10:51  <mcstar> even if they do, it is just a flash in the sky
2013-06-13T07:10:56  <mcstar> no real damage
2013-06-13T07:11:22  <mleise> do you think so? I'd be worried about the air pressures.
2013-06-13T07:11:44  <mcstar> the zeppelin would be unmanned
2013-06-13T07:11:54  <mcstar> if it explodes, nobody would care
2013-06-13T07:11:55  <mleise> It could rip off a wing of an airplaine
2013-06-13T07:11:59  <mcstar> oh
2013-06-13T07:12:02  <mcstar> no, i dont think so
2013-06-13T07:12:43  <mleise> and about taliban shooting it down
2013-06-13T07:12:59  <mcstar> they are easy targets, thats true
2013-06-13T07:13:00  <mleise> i mean ... it's easy to spot and slow
2013-06-13T07:13:15  <mcstar> but i was just kidding, to begin with
2013-06-13T07:13:41  <mleise> and I was bored and took you serious
2013-06-13T07:14:53  <mleise> this garbage collector deadlock stuff is so... unnecessary. it ruins my trust in the language. it can probably happen any time there is more than one thread. although there are some D programs running as web servers. I bet those have dozens of threads.
2013-06-13T07:15:45  <mleise> By the way how are you?
2013-06-13T07:16:19  <mleise> And what do you think about this Rust language?
2013-06-13T07:18:20  <mcstar> mleise: really? "By the way how are you?"
2013-06-13T07:18:25  <mleise> Hey there is a newbie who tried to calculate 2 to the power of x like this: foreach (count; 1 .. 16) { writeln("Result : ", (2)^(count), " from : ", count); }
2013-06-13T07:18:46  <mcstar> mleise: lol, weird parens
2013-06-13T07:18:47  <mleise> mcstar: You don't have to answer, I won't insist.
2013-06-13T07:19:00  <mleise> and he uses the XOR operator
2013-06-13T07:19:07  <mcstar> yeah, but that is understandable
2013-06-13T07:19:25  <mleise> next thing he posts: So I found this using 2 to the power of  >= 31...
2013-06-13T07:19:39  <mcstar> troll?
2013-06-13T07:19:46  <mleise> yes... integers overflow above 2^31
2013-06-13T07:20:00  <mleise> no he was serious, probably using python before
2013-06-13T07:20:03  <mcstar> it is not me, btw
2013-06-13T07:20:09  <mcstar> if you were suggesting that
2013-06-13T07:20:19  <mleise> which switches to big ints
2013-06-13T07:20:25  <mcstar> i dont think python exponentiates with ^
2013-06-13T07:20:30  <mleise> nono, not you. the name doesn't match
2013-06-13T07:20:45  <mleise> math student then :p
2013-06-13T07:21:18  <mcstar> btw im alright
2013-06-13T07:21:38  <mcstar> i dont exercise since im studying
2013-06-13T07:21:45  <mcstar> its not good...
2013-06-13T07:21:49  <mleise> to little time?
2013-06-13T07:22:03  <mcstar> i guess i could make time.. but im too tired for that
2013-06-13T07:22:51  <mleise> studying seems to be killing you :p
2013-06-13T07:23:05  <mcstar> how so?
2013-06-13T07:23:09  <mcstar> in what way?
2013-06-13T07:23:14  <mcstar> not more than anything else...
2013-06-13T07:23:16  <mleise> it drains you completely
2013-06-13T07:23:25  <mcstar> well, it trains me too
2013-06-13T07:23:35  <mcstar> the problem is that i havent been studying this hard in a long time
2013-06-13T07:23:51  <mcstar> and i got through uni wo studying, mostly
2013-06-13T07:24:27  <mcstar> this stuff, im reviewing, i basically should know, since this is from subjects, i already had an exam
2013-06-13T07:24:39  <mleise> if professors tried they could make stuff easy to understand by using simple comparisons and real world examples
2013-06-13T07:24:54  <mcstar> this is just the final wrap up exam, and it spans several classses
2013-06-13T07:25:10  <mcstar> and i havent been using this knowledge at all, since i learned them, which was years ago
2013-06-13T07:25:35  <mcstar> mleise: this is mostly quantum mechanis, and a little statistical physics
2013-06-13T07:25:45  <mcstar> what real world examples do you have in mind?
2013-06-13T07:25:57  <mleise> quantum mechanics sounds interesting... uhm... cats?
2013-06-13T07:26:05  <mcstar> theoretical solid state physics
2013-06-13T07:26:25  <mcstar> it has LOTS of applications, but the theory has no alternatives/analogies
2013-06-13T07:26:45  <mleise> my sister has to write something about physics in the kitchen. i wonder if it is because she is a girl.
2013-06-13T07:27:02  <mcstar> you live with your sister?
2013-06-13T07:27:17  <mleise> no she is in another city
2013-06-13T07:27:21  <mcstar> oh
2013-06-13T07:27:38  <mcstar> then i dont understand, why the kitchen
2013-06-13T07:27:42  <mcstar> or how do you know
2013-06-13T07:27:43  <mcstar> or whatever
2013-06-13T07:28:01  <mcstar> did she call you that she had to write something in the kitchen?
2013-06-13T07:28:02  <mleise> she told me and asked me for prices on thermo paper
2013-06-13T07:28:20  <mcstar> mleise: oh i get it
2013-06-13T07:28:27  <mcstar> 'kitchen physics'
2013-06-13T07:28:31  <mleise> she wants to tape it inside her micro wave to measure the radiation
2013-06-13T07:28:38  <mleise> mcstar: +1
2013-06-13T07:28:54  <mcstar> microwaves heat water
2013-06-13T07:28:59  <mleise> oh you thought she was in the kitchen, writing
2013-06-13T07:29:07  <mcstar> they wont interact with thermo paper
2013-06-13T07:29:11  <mcstar> mleise: exactly
2013-06-13T07:29:27  <mleise> oh they will interact with that paper... I don'T know how, but it will turn black
2013-06-13T07:29:32  <mcstar> you cant measure the temperature of the radiation
2013-06-13T07:29:47  <mcstar> it is much mmuch less than the environmental temperatyre
2013-06-13T07:30:10  <mleise> maybe she just measures the heat development
2013-06-13T07:30:10  <mcstar> what kind of paper is that?
2013-06-13T07:30:31  <mcstar> does she put something else in the oven besides that paper?
2013-06-13T07:30:37  <mleise> the paper you put into a bill printer
2013-06-13T07:30:41  <mleise> or a fax
2013-06-13T07:31:11  <mleise> She is hesitant to run the oven with nothing inside because of the reflections that might damage it.
2013-06-13T07:31:14  <mcstar> i guess the paper has some water in it, because of humidity
2013-06-13T07:31:26  <mcstar> just turn it on
2013-06-13T07:31:30  <mcstar> wont be a problem
2013-06-13T07:31:50  <mleise> That's what I said, too. But it's not my oven :p
2013-06-13T07:32:03  <mcstar> the radiation would just leak out
2013-06-13T07:32:05  <mleise> You can even heat plates in the micro wave
2013-06-13T07:32:09  <mcstar> but it does that nnevertheless
2013-06-13T07:32:12  <mleise> I wonder how much water is in them
2013-06-13T07:32:29  <mcstar> ceramic plates?
2013-06-13T07:32:35  <mleise> yes
2013-06-13T07:32:46  <mcstar> how hot do they get?
2013-06-13T07:32:53  <mcstar> with absolutely no food on them
2013-06-13T07:32:58  <mleise> very
2013-06-13T07:33:15  <mleise> you cannot hold them in your hands after 10 minutes
2013-06-13T07:33:41  <mcstar> welll does the air get hot in the oven?
2013-06-13T07:34:21  <mcstar> also, i dont know the absoprtion spectrum of the plates...
2013-06-13T07:34:44  <mcstar> but as a first guess i would have said they dont really interact with the microwaves
2013-06-13T07:34:52  <mcstar> but then, they contain a lot of metal
2013-06-13T07:35:32  <mleise> someone on the internet says that its the washing water that got soaked into the ceramic
2013-06-13T07:35:53  <mleise> wither through small frictions or through the bottom ring that is usually not covered
2013-06-13T07:36:18  <mcstar> im reluctant to think that
2013-06-13T07:38:56  <mleise> yeah sounds too esoteric
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2013-06-13T07:52:51  <mcstar> mleise: pure ceramics have high electric permittivity, they are used in capacitors for example, so i could imagine that they have a large polarization response to microwaves... but this depends on the spectrum of the radiation
2013-06-13T07:53:25  <mcstar> and i dont know, the dissipation of energy from the periodic polarization
2013-06-13T07:53:29  <mleise> O.O ...ok if you say so
2013-06-13T07:54:05  <mcstar> but the other problem is, that something like a 'plate' can be reall y made out of lots of materials
2013-06-13T07:54:17  <mcstar> and the circumstrances of its creation could matter too
2013-06-13T07:54:38  <mcstar> how pure, how homogeneous it is, what si the microstructure..
2013-06-13T07:54:55  <mcstar> but i should look into the question of energy dissipation
2013-06-13T07:55:10  <mcstar> thats something i could get asked about
2013-06-13T07:55:16  <mleise> thats when theory and praxis give different results
2013-06-13T07:55:40  <mcstar> no, you just have to use the right theory
2013-06-13T07:55:46  <mcstar> and fit the theory to the data
2013-06-13T07:56:31  <mleise> yes I meant theories with no verification
2013-06-13T07:56:41  <mcstar> nobody expects you to solve the problem: give the dissipation of a perfect microwave waveguide in the presence of a `plate`
2013-06-13T07:56:53  <mleise> hehe
2013-06-13T07:57:06  <mcstar> it is as hard as the basic questions about the universe
2013-06-13T07:57:10  <mcstar> or, does god exist?
2013-06-13T07:57:17  <mleise> the physical phenomenon called a plate
2013-06-13T07:57:28  <mcstar> to be precise: any plate
2013-06-13T07:57:45  <mcstar> this could be a famouse unsolved physics problem
2013-06-13T07:57:48  <mleise> could be a silver plate
2013-06-13T07:57:54  <mcstar> the Mleise-Mcstar problem
2013-06-13T07:58:17  <mleise> the m&m problem
2013-06-13T07:58:22  <mleise> *nom*nom*
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2013-06-13T13:12:54  <mcstar> mleise: you will love this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4tYudQdhCE
2013-06-13T13:13:03  <mcstar> the facial expressions are priceless
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2013-06-13T13:17:20  <mleise> indeed :D
2013-06-13T13:17:31  <mleise> so...articulated
2013-06-13T13:17:59  <mleise> hey at 4:20 they copy&pasted
2013-06-13T13:19:20  <mleise> one more reason to watch easy rider
2013-06-13T13:20:09  <mcstar> i havent seen it yet
2013-06-13T13:20:53  <mcstar> thats the famous movie with dennis hopper right?
2013-06-13T13:21:05  <mcstar> it is probably too weird for me
2013-06-13T13:22:35  <mleise> hey, it's a cult movie. and as a movie fan you gotta watch all cult movies
2013-06-13T13:23:20  <mleise> even silly zombie movies and weird road movies
2013-06-13T13:23:59  <mcstar> mleise: there is no such thing as a 'movie fan'
2013-06-13T13:24:22  <mcstar> that would be pretty shallow
2013-06-13T13:24:30  <mcstar> liking movies just because they are movies
2013-06-13T13:24:36  <mcstar> it is like saying, i am a car fan
2013-06-13T13:24:58  <mcstar> i eat cars, i sleep with cars, ....
2013-06-13T13:25:02  <mcstar> no i dont
2013-06-13T13:25:10  <mcstar> but i might like sport cars
2013-06-13T13:25:14  <mcstar> or suv's
2013-06-13T13:25:23  <mcstar> or family cars
2013-06-13T13:25:24  <mcstar> whatever
2013-06-13T13:26:06  <mcstar> liking a movie just because it represents a subcult is a bad reason too
2013-06-13T13:26:47  <mcstar> also, i have no idea what kind of subcult Easy Rider represents
2013-06-13T13:26:54  <mcstar> bikers on drug?
2013-06-13T13:27:23  <mcstar> i know it has bikes, thats why the 'rider' and hopper was pretty high on drugs when they filmed that movie
2013-06-13T13:27:28  <mleise> I don't say "like it", just know it to be able to talk about why it was bad.
2013-06-13T13:27:28  <mcstar> whats in it?
2013-06-13T13:27:55  <mleise> I don't know, sounds interesting
2013-06-13T13:28:06  <mcstar> i dont want to watch road movies or zombie movies just to be able to talk about them
2013-06-13T13:28:09  <mcstar> sry
2013-06-13T13:28:15  <mleise> I have only peeked into that movie on my harddisk to see what the quality was
2013-06-13T13:28:48  <mcstar> songs are better in this respect
2013-06-13T13:28:50  <mleise> so.. you don't know Dawn of the Dead?
2013-06-13T13:29:03  <mcstar> they are much shorter, and i can decide for sure very fast if i like them or not
2013-06-13T13:29:13  <mcstar> mleise: Shawn of the Dead, yes
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2013-06-13T13:29:22  <mleise> http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holtak_hajnala
2013-06-13T13:29:22  <mcstar> didnt like it
2013-06-13T13:29:36  <mcstar> but the main actor, is good in another film
2013-06-13T13:29:41  <mcstar> in one or two
2013-06-13T13:29:49  <mleise> I mean its a ROMERO movie! hey!
2013-06-13T13:30:21  <mcstar> mleise: dont link hungarian wiki pages, pls
2013-06-13T13:30:32  <mcstar> i only watch movies in english
2013-06-13T13:30:33  <mleise> wtf? why not?
2013-06-13T13:30:40  <mcstar> and hungarian wiki pages tend to be shorter
2013-06-13T13:30:50  <mleise> oh that's true for most non-english content
2013-06-13T13:31:20  <mcstar> mleise: i dont think ive seen it
2013-06-13T13:31:24  <mcstar> who is this romero?
2013-06-13T13:31:58  <mcstar> anyway, zombie movies are massively boring
2013-06-13T13:32:49  <mcstar> though, ive seen Planet Terror
2013-06-13T13:33:05  <mcstar> but only because my roommate liked it very much
2013-06-13T13:33:29  <mcstar> and Death Proof
2013-06-13T13:33:53  <mcstar> i understand that it is funny that they are a grindhouse release together
2013-06-13T13:34:07  <mcstar> but they werent worth the time to watch them
2013-06-13T13:35:03  <mleise> I don't think they are boring unless you watch shit like Resident Evil 2-x
2013-06-13T13:35:09  <mleise> ;D
2013-06-13T13:35:34  <mleise> For example REC was pretty awesome.
2013-06-13T14:00:24  <mcstar> mleise: LOL im listening to something from Pointer Sisters
2013-06-13T14:01:08  <mcstar> in fact i have 5 songs from them
2013-06-13T14:01:23  <mcstar> 1000 greatest hits of the 80's
2013-06-13T14:01:45  <mcstar> i forgot to mention last time
2013-06-13T14:01:55  <mleise> Lol, "Yes, we can can!" ?
2013-06-13T14:02:25  <mcstar> 'no way to control it, its totally automatic.. whenever youre arond'
2013-06-13T14:03:00  <mcstar> mleise: is that the title?
2013-06-13T14:03:22  <mleise> yes a song title listed by google.
2013-06-13T14:03:32  <mcstar> ive got: Automatic, He's so shy, I's so excited, Jump for my love, Slow hand
2013-06-13T14:03:38  <mleise> I know most of their hits, but I wouldn't recall the band's name
2013-06-13T14:03:52  <mcstar> oh
2013-06-13T14:04:00  <mcstar> you want me to find it?
2013-06-13T14:04:25  <mleise> No, I just thought... well that's where Obama got his idea.
2013-06-13T14:05:24  <mcstar> i dont have such a song
2013-06-13T14:05:29  <mcstar> Obama?
2013-06-13T14:05:36  <mcstar> is that a composer or musician?
2013-06-13T14:05:39  <mcstar> or a band name?
2013-06-13T14:07:16  <mcstar> omg, they were actually called Pointer
2013-06-13T14:07:42  <mcstar> hm, that makes me think if the CS term pointer is named after a person
2013-06-13T14:09:45  <mleise> Obama, "Yes we can!" ?
2013-06-13T14:10:05  <mleise> their family name was pointer?
2013-06-13T14:10:34  <mcstar> yes
2013-06-13T14:11:11  <mcstar> mleise: i imagined a tin can with meat in it, obama holds it to the sky: Yes, we Can!
2013-06-13T14:14:07  <mleise> :P
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2013-06-13T14:32:35  <mcstar> mleise: http://i.imgur.com/PfnYwFr.jpg
2013-06-13T14:33:13  <mcstar> my skills are definitely improving with gimp
2013-06-13T14:34:49  <mleise> very nice
2013-06-13T14:35:18  <mcstar> i didnt put his head there...
2013-06-13T14:35:34  <mcstar> the can and the tongue are mine
2013-06-13T14:36:18  <mcstar> mleise: why 'melker project'?
2013-06-13T14:36:46  <mcstar> maybe it has nothing to do with angela merkel, idk
2013-06-13T14:37:03  <mleise> melker != merkel
2013-06-13T14:37:36  <mcstar> indeed
2013-06-13T14:37:40  <mcstar> :)
2013-06-13T14:37:55  <mleise> if it is german it is the person who milks the cow
2013-06-13T14:38:04  <mcstar> oh
2013-06-13T14:38:10  <mcstar> you have a word for it?
2013-06-13T14:38:30  <mleise> well, it is the verb turned into a noun
2013-06-13T14:38:40  <mleise> i don't think it is official
2013-06-13T14:38:57  <mcstar> so it is like, milk-er
2013-06-13T14:39:08  <mcstar> wait
2013-06-13T14:39:15  <mcstar> which one are we talking about?
2013-06-13T14:39:18  <mcstar> melker or merkel?
2013-06-13T14:39:26  <mcstar> melker, ok
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2013-06-13T17:34:12  <mcstar> mleise: i forgot to answer your question
2013-06-13T17:34:23  <thestinger> \o
2013-06-13T17:34:27  <mcstar> o/
2013-06-13T17:34:58  <mcstar> "And what do you think about this Rust language?"
2013-06-13T17:35:15  <mcstar> absolutely nothing, not my thing
2013-06-13T17:35:55  <mcstar> i was washing the dishes when i realized...
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