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2013-06-16T14:22:46  <mcstar> what should i do to relax a little?
2013-06-16T14:27:54  <mcstar> i was thinking of watching 48 hours
2013-06-16T14:28:48  <mcstar> ive seen nick nolte in Parker, and it made me remember how good he was in 48 hours
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2013-06-16T14:39:20  <mcstar> oh i almost forgot, 48 hours has james remar too
2013-06-16T14:50:23  <mleise> who are you talking to?
2013-06-16T14:56:49  <mcstar> to my audience, of course
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2013-06-16T15:26:26  <mcstar> mleise: im giving you the heads up, ants might swarm your house too, thats what happened here today
2013-06-16T15:26:49  <mcstar> i had to set a trap for them
2013-06-16T15:27:08  <mcstar> syrup on the floor, not very sophisticated, but it worked
2013-06-16T15:27:16  <mcstar> but i had to vacuum multiples times
2013-06-16T15:27:20  <mcstar> i got a shitload of them
2013-06-16T15:28:16  <mcstar> i suspect this is a kind of revenge on their part, because we killed so many of their kind during the contest
2013-06-16T15:31:39  <mleise> haha, no I'm living on the second floor
2013-06-16T15:32:06  <mleise> I get daddy long legs here and sometimes moths
2013-06-16T15:32:08  <mcstar> they came in through the bathroom window
2013-06-16T15:32:28  <mcstar> whats that? daddy long legs?
2013-06-16T15:32:32  <mleise> O.o ants? through the window?
2013-06-16T15:32:35  <mcstar> yes
2013-06-16T15:32:39  <mleise> spiders with long legs
2013-06-16T15:32:43  <mcstar> i see
2013-06-16T15:32:53  <mcstar> we dont have those in the house
2013-06-16T15:32:53  <mleise> or maybe they are cellar spiders
2013-06-16T15:33:05  <mleise> they all look the same to me
2013-06-16T15:33:17  <mcstar> i had to remove 2 little frogs from the basement yesterday
2013-06-16T15:34:17  <mcstar> mleise: why were you surprised that i were talking to nobody in particular?
2013-06-16T15:34:23  <mcstar> i think i do that sometimes
2013-06-16T15:34:28  <mleise> frogs even, are you close to a lake of sorts?
2013-06-16T15:34:30  <mleise> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/1/13/Zitterspinnenbabys.jpg
2013-06-16T15:34:34  <mcstar> nope
2013-06-16T15:34:49  <mcstar> these were little frogs, they dont live in water
2013-06-16T15:34:57  <mcstar> but they like humid places
2013-06-16T15:35:07  <mleise> I feared that you are going masochistic, since you don't like when people don't answer you.
2013-06-16T15:35:46  <mleise> I like that picture of the spider swarm
2013-06-16T15:35:47  <mcstar> mleise: do you remember when we talked about zitterbewegung?
2013-06-16T15:35:53  <mleise> yes
2013-06-16T15:36:05  <mcstar> you mentioned this kind of spider then i believe
2013-06-16T15:36:19  <mcstar> or something similar with zitter in its name
2013-06-16T15:36:28  <mleise> it was that spider
2013-06-16T15:36:57  <mleise> I have some other spider, but it looks like Zitterspinnen
2013-06-16T15:37:07  <mleise> when you aren't close
2013-06-16T15:37:17  <mleise> except they don't zitter
2013-06-16T15:37:32  <mleise> when startled
2013-06-16T15:37:54  <mcstar> ouch
2013-06-16T15:38:04  <mcstar> ive been killing a protected kind of spider
2013-06-16T15:38:08  <mcstar> i didnt know that
2013-06-16T15:38:22  <mcstar> but theres 2 for every square mater in out garden
2013-06-16T15:38:32  <mcstar> http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:LycosaSingoriensisAndChildren.jpg
2013-06-16T15:38:49  <mcstar> i sometimes trick them into coming out
2013-06-16T15:38:50  <mleise> yeah they are everywhere
2013-06-16T15:39:03  <mcstar> they are like 3-4cm long
2013-06-16T15:39:22  <mleise> in our garden they hide in the gooseberry bush
2013-06-16T15:40:21  <mleise> or maybe I mix them up as they all look the same to me. there's only spiders with thin long legs, spiders with hair and compact spiders for me
2013-06-16T15:40:44  <mleise> you know, those that look more like bugs
2013-06-16T15:40:59  <mcstar> mleise: this kind lives in vertical holes in the ground
2013-06-16T15:41:08  <mcstar> long long holes
2013-06-16T15:41:22  <mleise> oh ok
2013-06-16T15:41:23  <mcstar> the diameter of the holes in 2-3 cm
2013-06-16T15:41:40  <mcstar> at least for the bigger ones
2013-06-16T15:43:56  <mcstar> mleise: i wonder how big this one is http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Wolf_spider_attack_position.jpg
2013-06-16T15:43:57  <mleise> and they don't live here
2013-06-16T15:44:12  <mcstar> probably it is much smaller than my first guess
2013-06-16T15:44:15  <mleise> just in russia and from hungary to the balkan
2013-06-16T15:44:16  <mcstar> which is like 30cm
2013-06-16T15:45:35  <mleise> lol, looks like they are in the range of millimeters
2013-06-16T15:47:37  <mcstar> but it is hard to tell from that picture
2013-06-16T15:47:41  <mcstar> and it looks scary
2013-06-16T15:48:14  <mleise> thank god it is small :)
2013-06-16T15:48:24  <mleise> look your garden spider is hunting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF9nXomSCD0
2013-06-16T15:50:46  <mcstar> poor cricket
2013-06-16T15:51:18  <mcstar> i used to hybernate ants, when i was little
2013-06-16T15:51:36  <mcstar> at one point, i thought im going to research that when i grow up
2013-06-16T15:52:01  <mleise> damn I just fried them with a magnifying glass :-/
2013-06-16T15:52:15  <mcstar> that too :)
2013-06-16T15:52:52  <mleise> once I studied the effects of the surface tension of lemon juice
2013-06-16T15:53:04  <mleise> ...on an ant caught in a drop of it
2013-06-16T15:54:48  <mcstar> conclusion?
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2013-06-16T15:57:15  <mleise> it is impossible for an ant to escape a drop of lemon juice on a low friction kitchen surface
2013-06-16T15:58:17  <mleise> but precise doppings of lemon juice on ants is not an effective weapon against them
2013-06-16T15:59:27  <mcstar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euscorpion_exuvia_2.jpg
2013-06-16T16:00:22  <mleise> awesome color
2013-06-16T16:00:48  <mcstar> it is the outer cast of a scorpion
2013-06-16T16:00:56  <mcstar> i have no idea how could it remain so intact
2013-06-16T16:02:54  <mleise> oh, silly me
2013-06-16T16:03:05  <mleise> Yes, that amazes me even with spiders.
2013-06-16T16:03:16  <mleise> how and when do they peel
2013-06-16T16:03:35  <mleise> peel out of their old skin
2013-06-16T16:04:16  <mleise> Great, now we have a spider talk on #D :p
2013-06-16T16:04:35  <mleise> "I had two spider bros when I was in Tanzania"
2013-06-16T16:06:06  <mcstar> ehem
2013-06-16T16:06:31  <mcstar> quality talk over there
2013-06-16T16:06:48  <mleise> "Occasionally I entertained them myself by tossing them mosquitos I killed myself"
2013-06-16T16:06:52  <mcstar> mleise: hey, lets join #rust and surprise thestinger
2013-06-16T16:07:07  <mleise> uhm, ok.
2013-06-16T16:07:18  <mleise> he isnt there
2013-06-16T16:07:24  <mcstar> i know
2013-06-16T16:07:35  <mcstar> but it will be a surprise when he joins
2013-06-16T16:08:02  <mleise> and then we do what? talk about that huge library we wrote for Rust? :p
2013-06-16T16:08:14  <mcstar> or the lack of a standar library
2013-06-16T16:08:20  <mcstar> if rust still lacks that
2013-06-16T16:08:21  <mcstar> idk
2013-06-16T16:08:33  <mleise> it's like D... piece by piece
2013-06-16T16:08:41  <mleise> it will look horrible in the end as well
2013-06-16T16:08:48  <mcstar> piece of shit, thats how i know that phrase
2013-06-16T16:08:58  <mcstar> XD
2013-06-16T16:09:07  <mleise> I almost yelled at one developer who implemented .iter() for strings, returning utf code points
2013-06-16T16:09:19  <mcstar> mleise: im sorry, but when i read "it's like D... piece"
2013-06-16T16:09:30  <mcstar> i immediately thought "of shit"
2013-06-16T16:09:38  <mleise> that's not funny. not funny. :(
2013-06-16T16:09:41  <mcstar> im still laughing
2013-06-16T16:09:50  <mcstar> sry
2013-06-16T16:10:14  <mleise> what I wanted to say is, Unicode support needs graphemes! anything else is fooling yourself
2013-06-16T16:10:35  <mleise> I almost got kicked for bashing and flaming
2013-06-16T16:10:36  <mcstar> hey, thats an ideal topic to be discussed with thestinger
2013-06-16T16:10:42  <mcstar> he is into unicode
2013-06-16T16:10:52  <mleise> oh rly? hmm ok.
2013-06-16T16:11:09  <mcstar> on the other hand, thats on my list of 'not to be discussed with me' topics
2013-06-16T16:11:28  <mleise> I talked with an arab recently and he said, utf-8 is ok, if they just switched ascii for arabic
2013-06-16T16:27:48  <mcstar> mleise: dnewbie has the spirit it takes to become a good programmer
2013-06-16T16:28:31  <mleise> and he with #D since over a year, but didn't change his nick
2013-06-16T16:28:54  <mcstar> he might still be a newbie knowledge wise
2013-06-16T16:29:16  <mleise> oh and the next one rages about D
2013-06-16T16:29:35  <mleise> 50% flamers over there -.-
2013-06-16T16:29:38  <mcstar> i thought he was a DMD developer
2013-06-16T16:30:03  <mleise> klickverbot? I think he works on one of the other compilers.
2013-06-16T16:30:24  <mcstar> then who did you mean 'rages about D'?
2013-06-16T16:30:33  <mleise> him
2013-06-16T16:30:35  <mcstar> oh
2013-06-16T16:30:38  <mcstar> i see
2013-06-16T16:30:42  <mcstar> compiler flame-wars?
2013-06-16T16:32:30  <mleise> well, anything related to D.
2013-06-16T16:32:44  <mcstar> mleise: how do these D developers make a living?
2013-06-16T16:32:47  <mleise> the documentation, the compiler-frontend, walter, andrei
2013-06-16T16:32:53  <mleise> the stdlib
2013-06-16T16:33:04  <mcstar> i dont think i want to ask that question on #D just yet
2013-06-16T16:33:13  <mleise> they are awesome, they contribute in their spare time and work elsewhere
2013-06-16T16:33:26  <mleise> or are students
2013-06-16T16:33:31  <mcstar> so no one pays to develop D?
2013-06-16T16:33:36  <mleise> like the developer of the most advanced IDE
2013-06-16T16:33:53  <mleise> no, there is no funding
2013-06-16T16:34:32  <mleise> walter wants said that he'd work on special requests by commercial users for money, but otherwise I haven't heard of fundings.
2013-06-16T16:34:37  <mcstar> the real #rust channel is over irc.mozilla.org
2013-06-16T16:34:49  <mcstar> once*
2013-06-16T16:34:49  <mleise> I know
2013-06-16T16:35:28  <dici> next contest spider wars: confirmed. scrolling through this history and clicking on links gave me serious chills :D
2013-06-16T16:36:26  <mcstar> the problem is that ants are smarter than spiders
2013-06-16T16:36:37  <mleise> kewl, I write the engine in D. don't want to mess with JavaScript game viewers again :p
2013-06-16T16:36:39  <mcstar> and they work much better when cooperate
2013-06-16T16:36:59  <dici> welp, i guess it will be about web building then
2013-06-16T16:37:00  <mleise> mcstar: don't underestimate spiders' pathfinding capabilities
2013-06-16T16:37:27  <mcstar> dici: lol, good one
2013-06-16T16:37:31  <mcstar> web developing
2013-06-16T16:37:35  <mcstar> XD
2013-06-16T16:38:09  <mleise> http://books.google.de/books?hl=de&lr=&id=uW9cOblnpEoC&oi=fnd&pg=PA5&dq=spider+path-finding&ots=-aO6_OtHpQ&sig=HCNXEfzo-NIP_0FzEfFWy3rzY0Y#v=onepage&q=spider%20path-finding&f=false
2013-06-16T16:38:29  <mleise> I like articles with some german words in them :p
2013-06-16T16:38:35  <mcstar> mleise: pathfinding? the spider built his web, the graph of nodes, he probably cached all the significant paths already, there is no challenge
2013-06-16T16:39:10  <mleise> they also find their way around complex man made wire constructions within seconds
2013-06-16T16:39:14  <mcstar> on the other hand, an ant has to walk scarcely mapped territory
2013-06-16T16:39:23  <mcstar> like what?
2013-06-16T16:39:25  <dici> mleise, I was thinking the same thing upon reading "Umwelt"
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2013-06-16T16:41:00  <mcstar> umwelt?
2013-06-16T16:41:06  <mcstar> die welt = world
2013-06-16T16:41:08  <mcstar> i think
2013-06-16T16:41:10  <mcstar> um?
2013-06-16T16:41:28  <mcstar> also, fuck google books
2013-06-16T16:41:29  <dici> it's kind of a synonym for environment
2013-06-16T16:41:51  <mcstar> i needed a proof from a book, and thats the EXACT part which google refused to show me
2013-06-16T16:42:55  <mleise> hehe
2013-06-16T16:43:51  <dici> maybe the proof was too complicated for the recaptcha armee to type in
2013-06-16T16:53:08  <mcstar> mleise: it worked :)
2013-06-16T16:53:48  <mleise> GC bashing :p ?
2013-06-16T16:54:07  <mcstar> yeah
2013-06-16T16:54:09  <mcstar> oops
2013-06-16T16:54:14  <mcstar> that was on #D
2013-06-16T16:54:28  <mcstar> i wanted that comment here, i though you were writing me from here
2013-06-16T16:54:36  <mcstar> too many channels, im confused :)
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2013-06-16T21:21:11  <mcstar> thestinger: o/
2013-06-16T21:21:16  <thestinger> heh
2013-06-16T21:21:21  <mcstar> i dont want to pollute #rust
2013-06-16T21:21:41  <mcstar> they gave me some links to a blog
2013-06-16T21:21:48  <mcstar> ocwalton's
2013-06-16T21:21:52  <mcstar> pcwalton's
2013-06-16T21:22:23  <mcstar> ill read about memory management in rust when ill have the time
2013-06-16T21:22:55  <mcstar> atm im very tired, it's past 3am, i had to help/proofread something my mother wrote
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