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Possible solutions: a) tell mcstar about it; expected outcome: he will laugh at you for such a stupid excuse :D b) go and buy DVD c) make bootable flash-drive instead. Option c) was chosen as a most interesting one (plus it didn't require a trip to shop) 2013-06-18T12:05:36 c! 2013-06-18T12:05:55 so? everything works? 2013-06-18T12:06:03 Day 1 ended with me found I can't boot from flash drive. 2013-06-18T12:06:30 thats odd 2013-06-18T12:06:45 Day2 started with me found BIOS option Use Legacy USB support so I could actually boot from my drive 2013-06-18T12:06:45 where do you fail when trying to boot from flash drive? 2013-06-18T12:07:03 ok 2013-06-18T12:08:21 Then in the middle of loading Linux kernel my laptop went to reboot and loaded WinXP :p 2013-06-18T12:09:03 you tried to boot into an installed linux system? 2013-06-18T12:09:48 In meantime I've decided to re-make flash drive (replaced 32-bit system with 64-bit) 2013-06-18T12:10:03 no, there was no linux system yet 2013-06-18T12:10:40 so, the intaller's system crashed? 2013-06-18T12:10:57 I tried few more times but Linux kernel failed to load. 2013-06-18T12:11:13 was there some diagnostical message> 2013-06-18T12:11:16 ? 2013-06-18T12:11:17 yep, but it wasn't yet installer. it was "Decompressing Linux..." 2013-06-18T12:11:46 did your architecture match the installer's? 2013-06-18T12:11:57 what distro, btw? 2013-06-18T12:12:15 There was a reboot so I could not detect last messages. It was like fast flow bla-bla-bla and restart to windows 2013-06-18T12:12:37 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2013-06-18T12:12:51 I've found with Google magic option acpi=off and this allowed me to launch installer 2013-06-18T12:13:26 then it was a usual installation 2013-06-18T12:14:08 Date 2 ended for me at morning of Day 3 (4 O'Clock) 2013-06-18T12:14:13 *Day 2 2013-06-18T12:14:48 and at this stage I had installed system 2013-06-18T12:16:43 Day 3 started with nVidia drivers installation and continued with unsuccesfull efforts to defeat Mouse bug: touchpad was working perfectly while mouse was toooo slow (couldn't even move from on side of screen to another). 2013-06-18T12:18:05 In the end of day 3 I tried to play with USB Legasy support in BIOS again. 2013-06-18T12:19:10 after changing this option my system was booting for about 9 minutes but after that mouse became to move as it should 2013-06-18T12:19:14 Day 3 ended 2013-06-18T12:19:30 Day 4 started with me found Mouse Bug again :D 2013-06-18T12:20:42 I went to BIOS and changed legacy option again. One more 9-mins boot and mouse working. Next boot with same settings is fast but mouse slow again. lol 2013-06-18T12:22:28 So when I change this option in BIOS (from On to Off or vice versa - no difference at all) I get long boot and working mouse. Next boot without changing always fast and with slow mouse. I found it funny. 2013-06-18T12:23:05 again, hours of googling for solution and I found a cure: 2013-06-18T12:24:02 I just need to inbind and bind again USB driver to the USB port: 2013-06-18T12:24:06 echo -n "0000:00:1a.0" | tee /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ehci_hcd/unbind echo -n "0000:00:1a.0" | tee /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ehci_hcd/bind 2013-06-18T12:24:24 Added this to rc.local 2013-06-18T12:24:33 Day 4 is today btw 2013-06-18T12:24:46 *unbind 2013-06-18T12:25:06 it's Slackware64 14.0 2013-06-18T12:25:12 ouch 2013-06-18T12:25:58 i've read a lot about arch/slackware and found latter is more suitable for me :) 2013-06-18T12:26:20 usb legacy support is that the bios translates a usb keyboard to a ps2 keyboard, so that you can use it wo usb input device support 2013-06-18T12:26:22 i think 2013-06-18T12:26:30 so that shouldnt be enabled 2013-06-18T12:27:13 i can disable it but it seems affect only my possibility to boot from flash drive 2013-06-18T12:28:01 whe was your laptop manufactured? 2013-06-18T12:28:03 so, plans for Day4 and Day5: get multilibs, get i3 2013-06-18T12:28:11 2011 2013-06-18T12:28:26 you shouldnt need legacy support to boot from flash drive 2013-06-18T12:28:32 doesnt make sense to me 2013-06-18T12:29:21 without turning it on my flash drive wasn't detected in BIOS boot device priority setting 2013-06-18T12:29:43 did you try the boot menu? 2013-06-18T12:30:11 I could set Flash HDD as a first drive but at the right of it was empty space 2013-06-18T12:30:41 there is a boot menu that lets you quick-select the boot device wo affecting boot priority 2013-06-18T12:31:07 i can make few photos if you are curios 2013-06-18T12:31:19 anyway, why did you choose slackware over arch? 2013-06-18T12:31:30 i think that was a bad decision 2013-06-18T12:32:23 I've read in several places that updates often break system 2013-06-18T12:32:29 *** yoden1 has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T12:33:23 also, I saw you were asking here about Arch live for 6 months and I decided it's someone unusual for arch to live for such a long time 2013-06-18T12:33:34 *something 2013-06-18T12:34:06 'Arch live for 6 months' ? 2013-06-18T12:34:12 i dont understand 2013-06-18T12:34:45 I understand that I could just ignore arch updates and have no argument for this :D 2013-06-18T12:36:09 i dont follow 2013-06-18T12:36:31 *** yoden has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-06-18T12:37:17 i asked, what is the longest period of time that i can still install software from arch repos, without rebooting the system 2013-06-18T12:37:36 by 'Slack is more suitable for me' I meant I'm okay with mostly outdated software (will update only those which I use actively). 2013-06-18T12:37:41 and, with regular updates, you dont break your system 2013-06-18T12:38:04 also i like the word Slackware :D 2013-06-18T12:38:22 ok, you know what you want 2013-06-18T12:38:35 but im sure that i cant help with anything slack related 2013-06-18T12:38:47 and i still dont see a reason for you to choose slack 2013-06-18T12:38:56 except the last one 2013-06-18T12:41:11 also I'm not familiar enough with linux to imagine what the possible difference can be between these distros after them installed (except pacman, this I can imagine) 2013-06-18T12:42:15 there can be quite a lot 2013-06-18T12:43:03 the most important is to use the same distro as your acquaintances so that they could help you 2013-06-18T12:43:36 as about config setup or similar - anyway now I have to google anything related to them 2013-06-18T12:43:49 arch has a wonderful wiki 2013-06-18T12:43:55 btw, today I registered my nickname on freenode :D 2013-06-18T12:44:06 you should have read that if you installed arch 2013-06-18T12:44:14 but now, as you said, you have to google everything 2013-06-18T12:44:36 im not sure if it comes through irc, but im very disappointed 2013-06-18T12:44:44 yes, this is a strong point. I often found myself there when lurking 2013-06-18T12:45:08 *find 2013-06-18T12:47:54 but still, now we closer to each other :P 2013-06-18T12:51:29 mcstar, what i'm trying to say is that in whole this disapointment there is a good side too 2013-06-18T12:51:51 or at least good corner :D 2013-06-18T12:52:43 hmm, turns out I don't like xchat. 2013-06-18T12:55:32 Guest54075: im glad that you finally installed linux, but i just cant get my head around why slack... for example, thats a distro that i stayed away from my whole life 2013-06-18T12:55:47 i havent installed it once 2013-06-18T12:56:06 there was absolutely nothing about slack that appealed to me 2013-06-18T12:57:54 *** Guest54075 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2013-06-18T13:05:08 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T13:11:21 ill be afk for a while 2013-06-18T13:14:03 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T13:16:05 gl 2013-06-18T13:34:58 *** Uvs has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T13:37:43 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2013-06-18T13:44:09 *** Uvs has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2013-06-18T13:45:27 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T13:46:44 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T14:22:13 *** KokaKiwi has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-06-18T14:22:13 *** dsch has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-06-18T14:22:43 *** KokaKiwi has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T14:22:54 *** dsch has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T14:23:52 thestinger: did you hear the news? 2013-06-18T14:23:57 news? 2013-06-18T14:24:07 yeah, UV installed slackware 2013-06-18T14:24:36 lol, slackware 2013-06-18T14:24:37 why? 2013-06-18T14:24:41 exactly 2013-06-18T14:24:43 that's like the worst distro to try out 2013-06-18T14:24:48 exactly 2013-06-18T14:25:02 no dependency management, ancient software, lack of repos to get stuff 2013-06-18T14:26:20 UncleVasya: it is not too late to change to a better distro... 2013-06-18T14:31:15 :D 2013-06-18T14:32:39 dont laugh, this is serious 2013-06-18T14:32:49 it is like choosing a wife for life 2013-06-18T14:33:06 you dont want to commit yourself, unless you are reasonably sure you chose well 2013-06-18T14:33:25 UncleVasya: I don't really understand why you'd want to have ancient software and lack of dependency handling ;p 2013-06-18T14:33:34 and fragile scripts holding everything together 2013-06-18T14:33:53 mcstar: some people have bad taste in women though 2013-06-18T14:34:08 he had to already tweak rc.local with some weird lines to use his mouse 2013-06-18T14:34:14 thestinger, are you suggesting arch too? 2013-06-18T14:34:28 i mean, why would anyone want to `tee` something in rc.local 2013-06-18T14:34:29 just not slackware 2013-06-18T14:34:50 thestinger: echo -n "0000:00:1a.0" | tee /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ehci_hcd/unbind 2013-06-18T14:34:59 that went into rc.local 2013-06-18T14:35:04 that's broken 2013-06-18T14:35:10 should be a udev rule 2013-06-18T14:35:15 or it's a race 2013-06-18T14:35:18 maybe slack doesnt have udev 2013-06-18T14:35:35 which kernel supported udev first? 2013-06-18T14:35:41 don't know 2013-06-18T14:35:58 anyway, im suggesting arch, yes 2013-06-18T14:35:58 it has udev (i think) 2013-06-18T14:36:23 frankly, i wouldnt mind ubuntu either 2013-06-18T14:36:31 it has a huge userbase 2013-06-18T14:36:32 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-06-18T14:36:43 ok, i'll look at arch after few months even if I'll be satisfied with slack 2013-06-18T14:36:50 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T14:37:19 you dont want to repeat the installation? 2013-06-18T14:37:43 or is there some other reason you want to stick with slack? 2013-06-18T14:45:04 because he likes crufty/broken things 2013-06-18T14:45:29 as soon as he needs stuff that doesn't ship with it, he'll start to regret not having a package manager and sane up-to-date repos 2013-06-18T14:47:14 because of my newbiness lack of dependency management doesn't scares me (maybe it should). also old software wasn't problem for me in Windows. in fact, I carry old versions (like from 2005, 2008) of software I use because often I like them more than newer versions (or just get used to them). When I need/want to update something I wasn't in trouble on Windows. And I hope I will not be in trouble of updating/finding software on S 2013-06-18T14:47:15 lack because I don't do it often. And in rare cases I do I hope I'll be able to handle it. 2013-06-18T14:48:13 you are trying to feed the dog by its ass 2013-06-18T14:48:29 what i mean is, you got it backwards/sideways, whateber 2013-06-18T14:48:33 v 2013-06-18T14:48:58 can I get an advocate? :D 2013-06-18T14:49:24 try #slackware 2013-06-18T14:50:05 no friends there yet :P 2013-06-18T14:50:56 UncleVasya: well, have fun manually updating 500+ pieces of software 2013-06-18T14:51:02 and dealing with the dependencies between them 2013-06-18T14:51:15 I'm sure you'll want something like an up-to-date browser 2013-06-18T14:51:24 so you'll have to deal with the fallout from wanting that 2013-06-18T14:51:36 i.e. files scattered around everywhere, broken libraries 2013-06-18T14:51:39 yes, browser is the stuff i update 2013-06-18T14:51:54 UncleVasya: and what about the libraries it uses? 2013-06-18T14:51:58 UncleVasya: really.... use a proper distro 2013-06-18T14:52:17 you really want to be managing all of these loose files and dealing with security updates for hundreds of libs yourself? so be it then, I guess 2013-06-18T14:52:23 i guess he will install every dep from tar.gz's from all over the internet 2013-06-18T14:52:36 you know the usual: 2013-06-18T14:52:39 ./configure 2013-06-18T14:52:42 make 2013-06-18T14:52:44 make install 2013-06-18T14:52:46 sry 2013-06-18T14:52:47 yay loose files everywhere 2013-06-18T14:52:48 sudo make install 2013-06-18T14:53:02 once you've done that 3-4 times your system is beyond saving 2013-06-18T14:53:03 ;p 2013-06-18T14:53:11 just checked Firefox. It says it's up-to-date. Guess it updatet on its own. 2013-06-18T14:53:12 i never did that 2013-06-18T14:53:15 at least systemwide 2013-06-18T14:53:43 heheh, there is a joke in Russian: 2013-06-18T14:53:45 UncleVasya: it's 21.0 and all the libs are up-to-date? 2013-06-18T14:53:53 i think UncleVasya has too much of a window mindset 2013-06-18T14:54:10 well he's certainly setting himself up for failure 2013-06-18T14:54:16 he's going to want software it doesn't ship with 2013-06-18T14:54:17 'By a simple motion of configure & make & make install you turn good system into Slackware' 2013-06-18T14:54:39 UncleVasya: when you decide you want something it doesn't ship with, you'll have it to install it + all the deps 2013-06-18T14:54:45 no 15.0.1 2013-06-18T14:54:53 I think it's a first gotcha 2013-06-18T14:55:00 UncleVasya: so no, it's out-of-date to the point where it has hundreds of known security holes... 2013-06-18T14:55:01 LOL 2013-06-18T14:55:07 "That's right, the long wait is finally over and a new stable release of Slackware has arrived! " 2013-06-18T14:55:31 UncleVasya: and the thing to realize is that when you need to update a lib, you'll need to manually clean the system of the old lib + manually clean away anything built against the old lib + rebuild it all 2013-06-18T14:55:46 firefox and gimp depend on libpng? libpng updated? rebuild both 2013-06-18T14:56:16 i think he just should do what we tell him 2013-06-18T14:56:35 UncleVasya: http://ix.io/6gl there's the dep tree you're responsible for keeping up-to-date for firefox 2013-06-18T14:56:37 :D 2013-06-18T14:57:09 ofc you'll have to learn all the deps yourself and remember what is built against them 2013-06-18T14:57:12 but thats for an arch system 2013-06-18T14:57:14 isnt it? 2013-06-18T14:57:22 mcstar: yeah but it's the same everywhere 2013-06-18T14:57:35 without statically linking everything but glibc and having 2GiB binaries 2013-06-18T14:57:42 i dont think slack has freetype2-infinality 2013-06-18T14:57:45 lol, that makes me think: 'why do I need browser update?' :D 2013-06-18T14:57:49 mcstar: freetype2* 2013-06-18T14:57:54 UncleVasya: hundreds of security holes 2013-06-18T14:58:02 not just in the browser, in the libs it uses 2013-06-18T14:58:16 systemd 2013-06-18T14:58:22 UncleVasya: https://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html 2013-06-18T14:58:22 i dont think slack uses systemd 2013-06-18T14:58:33 what is the downside these holes? 2013-06-18T14:58:39 lol 2013-06-18T14:58:55 UncleVasya: that if you've been browsing around the web a bit already, your computer is controlled by botnets via exploits served in adverts 2013-06-18T14:58:59 holes are dangerous, cause you can break your legs if you fall into them 2013-06-18T14:59:37 linux is not invincible.... 2013-06-18T14:59:47 you might have thought that, idk 2013-06-18T14:59:49 While on windows didn't care about them. And updated browser when some web-pages stuff stoped working 2013-06-18T15:00:02 *I didn't 2013-06-18T15:00:28 wait, why did you want to use linux in the first place? 2013-06-18T15:00:38 you told me so :P 2013-06-18T15:00:42 cause it starts to seem to me, you dont want to its benefits 2013-06-18T15:00:54 -to 2013-06-18T15:01:22 well, some of the stuff for development easier to find for linux 2013-06-18T15:03:16 also I started to get a feeling that my system is outdated and instead of going for newer Win version I decided Linux to be better choice. 2013-06-18T15:03:21 thestinger: 2013-06-18T15:03:23 AsgardBSD | Im about to install slackware on my macbook pro 5.5 2013-06-18T15:03:35 im on #slackware 2013-06-18T15:03:42 we should tell that guy to stop, too 2013-06-18T15:03:46 outdated not by software, but for th possibilitiees to handle new software 2013-06-18T15:07:25 i asked this on #slackware 2013-06-18T15:07:27 mcstar | what is the best way to convince a linnux newbie to remove slack from their system? 2013-06-18T15:08:32 "AsgardBSD | I need a good system for programming" 2013-06-18T15:08:43 "Does current will offer more thing for a programmer?" 2013-06-18T15:09:14 i was like so 5 years ago too 2013-06-18T15:09:20 i dont think they want to respond to my flame... too bad 2013-06-18T15:11:31 thestinger: UncleVasya "Nh3xus | yeah, don't expect to use Slackware like you would use Debian" 2013-06-18T15:12:06 'AsgardBSD | Since i started using slackware, never had to manage dependency, since i never found any package...' 2013-06-18T15:12:16 UncleVasya: slackware is a terrible choice for development though 2013-06-18T15:12:18 UncleVasya: i think you will be fine 2013-06-18T15:12:35 UncleVasya: the entire benefit of linux is having all the deps you need for libs, etc. automatically managed 2013-06-18T15:12:51 being able to get up-to-date libs without rebuilding a whole dep tree yourself 2013-06-18T15:13:21 well... i wouldnt say thats the benefit of linux 2013-06-18T15:13:25 thats the benefit of some distros 2013-06-18T15:13:29 others have other benefits 2013-06-18T15:16:26 mcstar, I think you should ask them about thestinger's example of firefox dep tree (give'em link) :D 2013-06-18T15:16:51 why? 2013-06-18T15:16:56 they'll probably say you should only use static linking 2013-06-18T15:17:04 and rebuild all the things all the time 2013-06-18T15:17:07 they obviously dont mind having an outdated version of firefox 2013-06-18T15:19:12 well, to stay fair, they are saying, if you want to learn linux, and not just use it to browse the web, you should choose slackware 2013-06-18T15:19:18 thestinger: you see the irony? 2013-06-18T15:19:36 if you want to learn linux, slackware isn't going to help 2013-06-18T15:19:44 you'll waste all your time rebuilding and managing deps 2013-06-18T15:19:47 instead of learning something 2013-06-18T15:19:51 they somehow think it is THE distro 2013-06-18T15:20:02 you'll learn more from gentoo 2013-06-18T15:20:05 and it will be easier 2013-06-18T15:20:14 and just use arch... 2013-06-18T15:20:15 but anyway gentoo sucks 2013-06-18T15:20:23 arch for binary-based, exherbo for source-based 2013-06-18T15:20:27 all other distros are terrible 2013-06-18T15:24:48 also there's SliTaz :P 2013-06-18T15:25:14 or you could just use an up-to-date distro with a nice package manager ;p 2013-06-18T15:25:31 or debian, if you really want old software 2013-06-18T15:25:49 UncleVasya: also, there is http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg 2013-06-18T15:28:11 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T15:43:17 *** UncleVasya_ has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T15:45:42 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-06-18T15:59:39 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2013-06-18T16:24:58 *** kilae has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]) 2013-06-18T16:37:07 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2013-06-18T16:45:50 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2013-06-18T17:14:51 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2013-06-18T17:15:06 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-06-18T17:25:44 UncleVasya_: so, have you made the right choice already, or should i stop trying to convince you? 2013-06-18T17:37:26 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T17:41:33 you already convinced me ^^ when I'll face this dependency resolution problem I'll install Arch. Also I'll install it anyway after few months (but not sure if i convert to it from Slack). 2013-06-18T17:42:57 ok, but in the end, dont tell your friends that linux sucks 2013-06-18T17:43:07 when you switch back to windows.. 2013-06-18T17:43:09 :) 2013-06-18T17:43:21 no, i'm not that kind :D 2013-06-18T17:46:12 in fact, i'm of opposide kind. Instead of telling I didn't like Win7 I always say that I'm not technically competent enough to work with it :) 2013-06-18T17:46:32 you didnt like it? 2013-06-18T17:46:40 what was wrong with it? 2013-06-18T17:47:36 also, the only 2 my non-irc friends already think that Linux sucks 2013-06-18T17:47:55 hm 2013-06-18T17:48:00 my friends use linux 2013-06-18T17:49:22 it was few years ago so i don't remember in details. I checked Win7 and switched back to XP. 2013-06-18T17:49:37 maybe of my laziness to learn something new :) 2013-06-18T17:49:55 i have both in vm 2013-06-18T17:50:02 and an ubuntu system too 2013-06-18T17:50:22 xp is quite fast i give it that 2013-06-18T17:50:42 (not faster than linux, but even in the vm, on my old hardware it feels alright) 2013-06-18T17:58:12 yeah, i will miss my lovely XP that hadn't reinstall for ages. 2013-06-18T18:06:58 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T18:15:24 mleise: did you know slackware was a beginner friendly distro? 2013-06-18T18:16:04 uh no, but then again I was never looking at beginner friendly distros. at work we had Ubuntu preinstalled btw. 2013-06-18T18:16:28 this is the first time you mention work, as a place that exists 2013-06-18T18:16:43 well, anyway, UV installed slack on his laptop 2013-06-18T18:16:47 -.- 2013-06-18T18:16:47 and he sticks with it 2013-06-18T18:18:00 maybe slackware shares some of his ideals 2013-06-18T18:19:23 mleise: i asked the question on ##slackware: what is the best way to convince a linnux newbie to remove slack from their system? 2013-06-18T18:19:55 you are a channel hopping troll 2013-06-18T18:19:59 it didnt turn into flame as i hoped 2013-06-18T18:20:00 what did they say? 2013-06-18T18:20:19 they were arguing that the percieved flaws are actually upsides 2013-06-18T18:21:22 im not hopping channels btw 2013-06-18T18:21:41 dont worry, im not gonna visit #d again 2013-06-18T18:23:33 *** dici has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-06-18T18:24:27 for trolling i mean, also i dont know if i ever did, i will only visit when ill have d specific questions 2013-06-18T18:24:48 buttt i think ill study rust a little more when ill have the time 2013-06-18T18:25:00 how about you? are you sold yet? 2013-06-18T18:26:07 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T18:26:54 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T18:26:55 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2013-06-18T18:28:57 *** Scooper has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2013-06-18T18:30:32 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2013-06-18T18:32:49 no, I have my d, and can wait till it is somewhat marture. i want to read some articles that highlight the difficulties with it. :) 2013-06-18T18:33:08 A language that has no negative feedback is suspicious 2013-06-18T18:33:21 difficulties with d? 2013-06-18T18:33:26 no with rust 2013-06-18T18:33:36 i see, it wasnt clear 2013-06-18T18:33:38 i cannot find articles on rust that turn it down 2013-06-18T18:33:52 let me google 2013-06-18T18:34:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7dqh7KCm8 2013-06-18T18:34:11 people have to implement different libraries in it first, like a gui toolkit 2013-06-18T18:34:11 here you go 2013-06-18T18:34:28 :-/ 2013-06-18T18:35:01 mleise: we were talking about gui when i was around #rust 2013-06-18T18:35:14 at least wrapper 2013-06-18T18:35:21 or linear algebra or whatever 2013-06-18T18:35:23 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-18T18:35:25 they say it has some OO features 2013-06-18T18:35:36 there will be something that doesn't work well in rust 2013-06-18T18:35:46 i dont think there will be 2013-06-18T18:35:51 they don't have classes 2013-06-18T18:36:20 so how do OOP concepts scale? 2013-06-18T18:36:31 or do they really have classes, but don't call them that 2013-06-18T18:36:39 anyway, since it is a systems programming language, and ppl write EVERYTHING in systems programming languages, rust can do them to 2013-06-18T18:36:41 too 2013-06-18T18:36:51 i dont yet know that 2013-06-18T18:37:03 sure, you can write OOP code in C, but do you want to? 2013-06-18T18:37:04 let me google that 2013-06-18T18:37:15 mleise: i dont, but ppl have done that 2013-06-18T18:38:10 right, so what i really want to say is that the code should look ok when you do X or Y. 2013-06-18T18:38:35 D added a shorter lambda syntax a while back to make functional programing less of a pain 2013-06-18T18:39:18 int function(int a) { return a*a; } became a => a*a 2013-06-18T18:39:28 it's not like GUI can only be written atop heavy OO 2013-06-18T18:39:42