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(Quit: .. too much fighting on the dancefloor ..) 2013-06-30T14:44:00 thestinger: have you used xmonad? 2013-06-30T14:44:14 not really 2013-06-30T14:44:32 requires waaaaaay too much work to get it to actually manage windows well 2013-06-30T14:44:33 i was wondering if i3 like window management was possible 2013-06-30T14:51:47 mcstar: probably, with ages of work 2013-06-30T14:51:49 ;p 2013-06-30T14:52:10 obviously i meant something ready made, like a contrib module or something 2013-06-30T14:52:17 mcstar: don't think so 2013-06-30T15:01:07 *** SoldierAntEater has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-06-30T15:04:00 *** SoldierAntEater has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-30T15:24:48 thestinger: i miss kdevelop's autocomplete when im working in Qt :( 2013-06-30T15:25:16 it really makes things easier... almost lives up to a documentation 2013-06-30T15:53:12 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-30T15:59:37 115 ppl, no answer 2013-06-30T16:01:24 long live the technoviking 2013-06-30T16:06:29 mcstar: http://www.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-NCVT-2-Non-Contact-Voltage/dp/B004FXJOQO got one of these 2013-06-30T16:06:31 very scary 2013-06-30T16:06:42 mcstar: so, just from my laptop being plugged in 2013-06-30T16:06:46 I become a high voltage emitter :| 2013-06-30T16:06:51 :( i hoped for an answer from #plasma 2013-06-30T16:06:51 from touching my laptop 2013-06-30T16:09:20 thestinger: i dont think i follow 2013-06-30T16:09:30 what is a high voltage emitter? 2013-06-30T16:09:33 mcstar: it finds electromagnetic fields 2013-06-30T16:09:33 you dont emit voltage 2013-06-30T16:09:35 without contact 2013-06-30T16:09:40 mcstar: yes, you do 2013-06-30T16:09:43 no 2013-06-30T16:09:43 if you touch a power cord 2013-06-30T16:09:45 ;p 2013-06-30T16:09:51 no, you still dont emit voltage 2013-06-30T16:09:58 that is a very bad terminology 2013-06-30T16:10:00 mcstar: sure, the air touching you is taking away voltage 2013-06-30T16:10:06 what? 2013-06-30T16:10:12 nope 2013-06-30T16:10:19 mcstar: then explain how that works? 2013-06-30T16:10:25 you might mean current 2013-06-30T16:11:08 mcstar: ok you emit electricity* happy? ;p 2013-06-30T16:11:17 no 2013-06-30T16:11:22 :) 2013-06-30T16:11:32 you can emit EM waves 2013-06-30T16:12:10 thestinger: what do you use that device for? 2013-06-30T16:13:26 also what does non contact mean exactly? you still have to touch the leads with this thing, its just that the tip is isolated as i can see, right? 2013-06-30T16:13:48 because non contact usually means, you can measure something from a distance 2013-06-30T16:13:54 like, a non contact termometer 2013-06-30T16:14:03 or non contact distance meter 2013-06-30T16:14:34 mcstar: no the tip is plastic with metal inside 2013-06-30T16:14:43 mcstar: you don't have to touch stuff 2013-06-30T16:14:43 yes, thats what i see from the pic 2013-06-30T16:14:55 mcstar: I can hold it a half foot from a wall socket and it goes off 2013-06-30T16:15:04 you dont have to put the tip on the lead? or surface of something? 2013-06-30T16:15:06 on the low sensitibvity mode 2013-06-30T16:15:10 i see 2013-06-30T16:15:18 mcstar: on the high sensitivity mode it has to be about an inch from the socket 2013-06-30T16:15:36 it also goes off from touching a DC phone charger cord 2013-06-30T16:15:47 3-4 inches from a smoke detector with a 9V battery 2013-06-30T16:15:51 it works by induction then 2013-06-30T16:15:55 it's terrifying 2013-06-30T16:16:16 mcstar: and there's a motion detector in my house, and it sets it off for the entire path 2013-06-30T16:16:44 thestinger: dont tell me it can measure voltage between the leads of a battery? 2013-06-30T16:16:51 mcstar: sure 2013-06-30T16:17:07 thats weird 2013-06-30T16:17:13 mcstar: it goes off from being held in front of my thinkpad's screen 2013-06-30T16:17:15 ~5 inches away 2013-06-30T16:17:32 well, those all have high freq AC components 2013-06-30T16:17:37 mcstar: not plugged in 2013-06-30T16:17:40 but i dont see how it would detect static voltages 2013-06-30T16:18:24 well, your whole laptop can be charged 2013-06-30T16:18:31 and oscillate at 50Hz 2013-06-30T16:18:34 or whatever you have there 2013-06-30T16:18:41 things arent really shielded 2013-06-30T16:18:52 mcstar: yep the whole laptop is charged if it's plugged in 2013-06-30T16:18:56 and I become charged 2013-06-30T16:18:57 if I touch it 2013-06-30T16:19:02 and if it isnt grounded, you can feel the electricity evenb 2013-06-30T16:19:16 but thats not surprising 2013-06-30T16:19:50 what i want to know, is that it can or cannot measure voltage drop between the leads of an isolated battery 2013-06-30T16:19:58 since i dont see how it could do that 2013-06-30T16:20:10 it's fucking magic okay 2013-06-30T16:20:12 ;p 2013-06-30T16:20:19 no 2013-06-30T16:20:25 but im really interested in this 2013-06-30T16:20:30 can you test it? 2013-06-30T16:20:36 yes 2013-06-30T16:20:38 in a bit 2013-06-30T16:20:41 figuring out a segfault atm 2013-06-30T16:20:55 go away from the leads in the walls and electronic devices 2013-06-30T16:21:02 take a battery, it wont show anything 2013-06-30T16:21:08 my money is on that 2013-06-30T16:21:18 anyway, got to watch soccer 2013-06-30T16:21:21 \o 2013-06-30T16:27:19 *** AlliedEnvy has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-30T16:35:05 mcstar: why does it go off in an entire room in my house? 2013-06-30T16:35:15 the high voltage one 2013-06-30T16:43:56 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2013-06-30T16:45:37 *** kilae has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]) 2013-06-30T16:46:34 thestinger: have you checked it with a single isolated battery? 2013-06-30T16:46:50 mcstar: not yet 2013-06-30T16:46:51 I will now 2013-06-30T16:46:54 fixed the issue 2013-06-30T16:47:52 mcstar: doesn't happen with batteries 2013-06-30T16:47:55 re. that room, the walls may contain a lot of wires.... 2013-06-30T16:48:03 mcstar: happens in the middle of the room though 2013-06-30T16:48:25 i dont think that should matter too much 2013-06-30T16:48:31 if it is sensitive enough 2013-06-30T16:48:52 thestinger: just imagine how small and sensitive wireless technology became recently 2013-06-30T16:49:13 it only needs to detect the presence of the radiation... 2013-06-30T16:50:09 mcstar: so why only that room? ;p 2013-06-30T16:50:27 idk, im not there 2013-06-30T16:50:37 how does it respont in other rooms? 2013-06-30T16:50:41 respond* 2013-06-30T16:51:12 mcstar: it doesn't do anything at the high voltage detection level in any other room 2013-06-30T16:51:20 except when in the path of the motion detector in the living room 2013-06-30T16:51:46 what is considered high voltage by the device? 2013-06-30T16:51:51 according to specs 2013-06-30T16:52:43 48-1000V 2013-06-30T16:52:50 mcstar: yep 2013-06-30T16:53:21 i dont think these specs are meant to be taken too seriously 2013-06-30T16:53:25 mcstar: anyway it's pretty cool, I can find wires in walls where I know they are 2013-06-30T16:53:26 anyway, idk, let me think 2013-06-30T16:53:29 but this goddamn room 2013-06-30T16:53:32 makes it useless 2013-06-30T16:53:41 *** foRei has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-06-30T16:54:03 * thestinger would not trust his life with it ;p 2013-06-30T16:54:10 where is that room located wrt the house? 2013-06-30T16:54:20 mcstar: upstairs 2013-06-30T16:54:30 mcstar: close to where the power comes to the house actually 2013-06-30T16:54:31 ok, relative to the street? 2013-06-30T16:54:32 the power line 2013-06-30T16:54:36 maybe that's it 2013-06-30T16:54:42 yep 2013-06-30T16:54:45 that could be 2013-06-30T16:55:24 mcstar: there are lines behind and in front of the house (there's a lane behind our back yard) 2013-06-30T16:55:29 I forget which is which 2013-06-30T16:55:40 I *think* cable comes from the back and power from the front 2013-06-30T16:56:11 my dad cut the phone line when he was mad at bell a few years ago ;p 2013-06-30T16:56:21 so we don't have one of those anymore 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2013-06-30T17:15:05 dont tell me it isnt a requirement 2013-06-30T17:15:06 that's building code 2013-06-30T17:15:13 mcstar: laptop chargers have 2 prongs 2013-06-30T17:15:19 only things like TVs have to be grounded 2013-06-30T17:15:44 you meant specifically for laptops, ok 2013-06-30T17:15:50 i thought you meant in general 2013-06-30T17:15:59 mcstar: well in general most things have no ground 2013-06-30T17:16:09 mcstar: because old houses don't have 3-prong sockets with a ground 2013-06-30T17:16:12 most household devices are grounded 2013-06-30T17:16:17 mcstar: not here. 2013-06-30T17:16:32 toasters, stoves, fridges, tvs, sure 2013-06-30T17:16:36 desktop computers 2013-06-30T17:16:43 all devices with metal cover must have grounding 2013-06-30T17:17:09 if it accidentally connects the lead to the cover, you can get electricuted 2013-06-30T17:17:14 grounding is there to prevent that 2013-06-30T17:17:36 mcstar: macbooks are definitely metal and have 2 prong chargers 2013-06-30T17:17:43 mcstar: maybe in europe they have 3 2013-06-30T17:17:49 no 2013-06-30T17:17:54 :) 2013-06-30T17:18:05 mcstar: https://github.com/mozilla/rust/pull/7495 hard at work fighting old cruft 2013-06-30T17:18:10 but that doesnt connect to the mains 2013-06-30T17:18:12 keeps failing ;[ 2013-06-30T17:18:26 i mean, the adapter is near the plug 2013-06-30T17:18:49 *** SoldierAntEater has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2013-06-30T17:18:50 fuck 2013-06-30T17:18:58 i keep clinking on the damn links 2013-06-30T17:19:03 which opens up firefox 2013-06-30T17:19:23 * thestinger doesn't understand 2013-06-30T17:19:38 i have a huge session saved in firefox 2013-06-30T17:19:45 but i want to keep it closed 2013-06-30T17:19:49 oh 2013-06-30T17:24:04 *** natasha_10 has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-30T17:24:56 *** SoldierAntEater has joined #aichallenge 2013-06-30T17:26:59 *** natasha_10 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2013-06-30T17:31:51 *** SoldierAntEater has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by 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