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2014-05-14T04:01:27  <ramn> right
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2014-05-14T04:58:35  <smiley1983> I'm glad to see this warlight game, though I don't know if I can spare the time to make a bot
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2014-05-14T07:22:08  <ramn> yea it seems there are constantly popping up new things
2014-05-14T07:22:30  <ramn> I also found this one, tho much smaller in scope: http://vindinium.org/
2014-05-14T08:02:27  <aerique> yeah, the deadline for the warlight challenge made me skip it.  i could barely find time in the two weeks given for the hello world open
2014-05-14T08:03:21  <aerique> ramn: ooh, vindinium looks cool
2014-05-14T08:03:59  <ramn> yea! (built in my fav language aswell :))
2014-05-14T08:04:26  <ramn> tho I'm not sure the current game rules makes for the most interesting/challenging ai play, but I can't really tell
2014-05-14T08:04:36  <aerique> i usually spend most of my time working on support for common lisp and then i lose to more developed bots ;-)
2014-05-14T08:04:56  <ramn> a sound strategy!
2014-05-14T08:05:14  <ramn> support for your fav language is prio 1!
2014-05-14T08:05:28  <ramn> I made a scala starter bot for the warlight site
2014-05-14T08:05:31  <aerique> the visualizing of vindinium is very nice
2014-05-14T08:05:38  <ramn> but didn't compete :P
2014-05-14T08:05:42  <ramn> yes it is!
2014-05-14T08:07:02  <ramn> maybe it's possible to use vindinium as a platform aswell, making the actual game pluggable but reusing the tournament ladder, tcp stuff, parts of replay and such
2014-05-14T08:09:09  <ramn> I'm hacking on something similar myself but nowhere near complete https://github.com/ramn/bottfarmen
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2014-05-14T09:38:42  <aerique> ramn: for me that would not be interesting due to the Java dependency.  Why not have bot communicate over stdin and stdout or sockets and not be tied to a specific platform?
2014-05-14T09:40:53  <ramn> the vindinium communicates over sockets,
2014-05-14T09:41:11  <ramn> mine doesnt yet but it should have that option, I just haven't got that far
2014-05-14T09:41:54  <aerique> cool :)  I was afraid it would be similar to some coding challenges which seem interesting upfront but then tie you to C# or Java.
2014-05-14T09:42:14  <ramn> I was thinking the socket communication and tournament stuff should be general enough that it could be a common framework for many kinds of ai games
2014-05-14T09:42:34  <ramn> yea I think ppl should be able to use their favourite language
2014-05-14T09:43:08  <aerique> yeah otherwise it becomes more about learning a specific language if one is not familiar with it yet
2014-05-14T09:43:25  <ramn> one problem with the network model is that other ppls bots might not be connected right when you want to compete with them
2014-05-14T09:44:01  <aerique> you can still get their bots locally and start them locally so it would be under control of the game server
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2014-05-14T09:44:24  <ramn> I'd like there to be an easy way to maybe put ones bot in the cloud or something so it is always connected, and can participate in tournament games as soon as somebody else requests a match
2014-05-14T09:45:16  <ramn> submitting the bot as a zip, and running it on the game server might be fine, this is how theaigames (warlight) does it,
2014-05-14T09:45:41  <ramn> but then you have to sandbox and might have security problems. also, the person running the game server has to pay for all that cpu
2014-05-14T09:45:49  <aerique> the previous ai challenges had people uploading their bots to the 'official' server which ran them whenever but soon enough people their own server which you could use with a bot running on their own computer
2014-05-14T09:47:06  <ramn> maybe there could be a bot running SAAS - you upload your bot in any langugage, tell it to which ip/port it should connect, and then let it run in the cloud,
2014-05-14T09:47:23  <ramn> like Heroku for bot competitions
2014-05-14T09:47:49  <ramn> and pay only for when the bot is running a match
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2014-05-14T09:48:49  <ramn> what do you think
2014-05-14T10:16:43  <aerique> ambitious and complex :-)
2014-05-14T10:19:21  <ramn> but lots of money in it!!
2014-05-14T10:19:36  <ramn> every bot maker needs this service
2014-05-14T10:19:39  <ramn> :)
2014-05-14T10:19:41  <aerique> 8-D
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